Milne charged with 4 counts of rape

[Mat Mann]

Dont start spinning this rubbish. Hes a small forward. All his peers graduated to the midfield and never spent their entire careers in the forward pocket.

He is the best ever career forward pocket but thats a small sample set of about 5 players in the history of the game..

So that would make them. Ummm. Midfielders.... So let me see. Someone who played in one position isn't good because he played in one position, a fwd is no good because he plays in the fwd line. So by that reasoning. Judd is nota good midfielder because he can't play FF as well?

 

[Coldacre]

offended? By Milne? Since when? You can say something as many times as you like, doesn't make it any closer to being true.

Steve Milne is one of the greatest small forwards ever to play the game.

I don't even like the bloke. I'm not biased, I have no interest. he's like Aker, the enemy but totally gifted. 12 months ago when you guys where winning you were alot more diplomatic.

 

[neroblack]

Steve Milne is one of the greatest small forwards ever to play the game.

I don't even like the bloke. I'm not biased, I have no interest. he's like Aker, the enemy but totally gifted. 12 months ago when you guys where winning you were alot more diplomatic.

No we weren't.

 

[Mat Mann]

If this bloke is innocent and surely he has the right to that assumption then this decision to stand him down is quite harsh.

I am not sure which way id go, my first reaction is that anyone could accuse an afl player of rape, and you can see plenty of opportunities for it to happen and be lies, so why should he miss games, when it especially probably ends a career.

On the other side, this has been lingering a while and to finally charge him seems to imply there is a strong strong case, but how can we presume this i guess.

If he did it and the club and afl is seen to have supported him then it looks bad for the brand and is disrespectful to the victim perhaps.

Its a difficult decision for the saints and you have to respect they made a strong call in a situation that you could never make everyone happy. Maybe they believe its best for him and best for the other players

Not dismissing the obvious, but it could also be a manoeuvre by the police to fix up a lingering issue of botched investigation, send it to court for it to be dismissed, and finally be able to say we got it right in the end but the case was always weak, with little chance of conviction, with the only aim the clear the police of any wrong doing in a high exposure case.


And ONCE AGAIN. The StKilda FC have been cleared by police of ANY wrongdoing or Pressuring tactics in this case. Please stop bringing this up without further proof. Innuendo is not fact. Association is not fact

 

[The King!]

Not dismissing the obvious, but it could also be a manoeuvre by the police to fix up a lingering issue of botched investigation, send it to court for it to be dismissed, and finally be able to say we got it right in the end but the case was always weak, with little chance of conviction, with the only aim the clear the police of any wrong doing in a high exposure case.


And ONCE AGAIN. The StKilda FC have been cleared by police of ANY wrongdoing or Pressuring tactics in this case. Please stop bringing this up without further proof. Innuendo is not fact. Association is not fact

I was not implying the saints had any involvement in anything improper i do not subscribe to that theory at all. All i said was the saints made a firm decision and need to be applauded for that. Never going to make everyone happy

 

[neroblack]

Not dismissing the obvious, but it could also be a manoeuvre by the police to fix up a lingering issue of botched investigation, send it to court for it to be dismissed, and finally be able to say we got it right in the end but the case was always weak, with little chance of conviction, with the only aim the clear the police of any wrong doing in a high exposure case.


And ONCE AGAIN. The StKilda FC have been cleared by police of ANY wrongdoing or Pressuring tactics in this case. Please stop bringing this up without further proof. Innuendo is not fact. Association is not fact

I doubt very much that they would send any case to court with the objective of having the case dismissed. It'd be more embarrassment for them if it didn't make it past the committal hearing.

I'm not suggesting any guilt whatsoever, just mean that they must at least think they have sufficient evidence.

 

[Mat Mann]

I was not implying the saints had any involvement in anything improper i do not subscribe to that theory at all. All i said was the saints made a firm decision and need to be applauded for that. Never going to make everyone happy

Sry wasn't implying u did. More of in addition to as I continue to read the StKildaFC pressured or hampered police comments

 

[Cylon7]

I was just stating the fact that Milne is a good footballer with a great record. Not sure what you think I don't get.

Footy is full of great stories if you have a look but the general public don't give two hoots. Why when we can talk about killing off clubs, alleged rapists, drug cheats and tear anyone down we can.
Who cares about Sam rowes story, the work players do with foundations like the red cross and beyond blue? They don't sell papers.

Unfortunately the disgusting stuff has to come out to provide a voice for those who suffer and are victims. Without the media who would uncover it?

Can you place yourselves in a victim's shoes?

I just want to know that thoses associated with AFL are decent, unselfish people - players, admin, politicians, and coaches whose objective is to build a better game for those who follow.

If there is no will to change, families who are wondering whether to send their ten yr olds to rugby, soccer or football will turn away from AFL.

 

[The King!]

Sry wasn't implying u did. More of in addition to as I continue to read the StKildaFC pressured or hampered police comments

Fair enough, i agree with that sentiment

 

[cymarak]

The AFLPA have basically said that St Kilda's decision is about St Kilda managing its image, not about doing the right thing for Milne's welfare.

"The St Kilda board's position today in our view, sets a dangerous precedent on how our industry deals with a matter that is yet to be dealt with by the court.

We don't consider the decision genuinely reflects a commitment to a player and his family as much as it does other interests of a club."

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...decision-to-suspend-milne-20130619-2oj6k.html

 

[dansa]

Pretty despicable stuff all-round.

I don't know what's worse tbh; the possibility of Milne having r*ped a women, or St Kilda allegedly using their influence to impede a police investigation and cover up the alleged incident.

You accidently forgot - the possibility of Milne being accused of a crime he didn't commit.

 

[LegendakaRICHO]

he should be playing this week and the rest of the season

 

[FreoGirl]

I'm pretty disgusted by the "boys club" here. Is it any wonder more women don't come forward and choose to just live with the shame? I know he hasn't been found guilty yet, but there seems to be a shit load of people questioning this woman's version of events. Footballer or not, naked or not, drunk or not, "no is no". It's worth checking back on old newspapers from 2004 to see what was reported, even statements by Milne himself.

 

[treegreen]

I'm pretty disgusted by the "boys club" here. Is it any wonder more women don't come forward and choose to just live with the shame? I know he hasn't been found guilty yet, but there seems to be a shit load of people questioning this woman's version of events. Footballer or not, naked or not, drunk or not, "no is no". It's worth checking back on old newspapers from 2004 to see what was reported, even statements by Milne himself.

AFL footballers will always have a horde of morons rush to their defense whatever the case is.

 

[Bollox]

I just want to hear there are people in this sport that are decent and are are inspirational.

After hearing Sam Johnston's story on the media tonight - the actor who is riding around Australia for his his sister dying of cancer - I just wonder why AFL players who are so privileged cannot lift their act.

And while I ask for players to do better, I am asking even more for administrators and coaches to raise their act too.

And you know who you are.

Don't you get it? It isn't about his football record.

I'd like someone, anyone on AFL Bigfooty to start a thread to tell me about someone decent in this game....someone like Sam Johnston.
Not a manufactured, PR construction but someone universal and unquestionably decent. As you probably suspect we haven't met one yet...other than two volunteer coaches of very young players...many years ago.

Tell me about these decent people. Restore my faith in AFL 'humanity'.

Geezus...its the Pope, Gandhi, and Jerry Falwell all combined wishing young men would just act a bit more like Mother Theresa.

Hey mungbean...they are young men with money in their pockets.
There are 800 of them PLUS staff of more than another 200 men...you put 800 17-35yo buddhist monks together with some coin in their frocks, and women throwing themselves at you and i guarantee a lot more than the odd one is gonna root out of school or get done for driving a donkey under the influence.

This kind of stupid unrealistic expectation placed on young men these days shits me to tears. If you want some sort of perfect world where u arnt exposed to real life then go bury your head in some sort of extremist right wing nazi sect on a planet far far away, so we dont get exposed to that kind of shit again.

 

[Mat Mann]

I'm pretty disgusted by the "boys club" here. Is it any wonder more women don't come forward and choose to just live with the shame? I know he hasn't been found guilty yet, but there seems to be a shit load of people questioning this woman's version of events. Footballer or not, naked or not, drunk or not, "no is no". It's worth checking back on old newspapers from 2004 to see what was reported, even statements by Milne himself.

I'd have a damn good re read of the thread, I don't think there is one person saying she made it up. It's a discussion board, discussion happens. Hypotheticals are proposed, I think all will condemn Milne ( most have already ) if he's guilty. But guilty he is NOT yet and society says presumed innocent until proven otherwise, not hung drawn and quartered until proven innocent. Women jumping on men for an alleged lack of sympathy towards the victim yet you show none of the same thought for the accused....

 

[bomberclifford]

What exactly does the 4 counts mean? I'm assuming that's 4 different crimes?

3 in the pink + 1 in the stink = Milne in the clink.

 

[Hawker55]

I doubt very much that they would send any case to court with the objective of having the case dismissed. It'd be more embarrassment for them if it didn't make it past the committal hearing.

I'm not suggesting any guilt whatsoever, just mean that they must at least think they have sufficient evidence.

This. For a case to come back up after 9 years, involving a high profile AFL player etc, the police must think they have pretty compelling evidence. If there was any doubt in their minds they wouldn't bother since they would look even worse if he wasn't convicted and the blowback would be intense.

That doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to be considered innocent, just an observation on the police viewpoint.

 

[tigers_of_old_08]

He is due to face the Magistrates Court on July 5, so the Saints could suspend him until then, which would effectively mean only two games. I know he wants to play, but there is a bigger picture here. I'm not sure the AFL or St.Kilda would want foul language/inappropriate behavoiur from the crowd - a terrible image the AFL would not want to have to deal with.

Ah thanks. As much as he wants to play I'm sure he sees the benefit going on leave to avoid conflict.

 

[FreoGirl]

I'd have a damn good re read of the thread, I don't think there is one person saying she made it up. It's a discussion board, discussion happens. Hypotheticals are proposed, I think all will condemn Milne ( most have already ) if he's guilty. But guilty he is NOT yet and society says presumed innocent until proven otherwise, not hung drawn and quartered until proven innocent. Women jumping on men for an alleged lack of sympathy towards the victim yet you show none of the same thought for the accused....

I understand where you are coming from as a passionate St Kilda supporter, but as a female reading this it is fairly painful when an imbalance of compassion is given to the accused, especially on the St Kilda board itself.
Women on here are bullied all the time for having a voice - you probably wouldn't notice it. Amazing, as there's a lot of women at football games, yet when one opens her voice on here she tends to be slammed...not just on this occassion.

 

[Engimal]

I understand where you are coming from as a passionate St Kilda supporter, but as a female reading this it is fairly painful when an imbalance of compassion is given to the accused, especially on the St Kilda board itself.
Women on here are bullied all the time for having a voice - you probably wouldn't notice it. Amazing, as there's a lot of women at football games, yet when one opens her voice on here she tends to be slammed...not just on this occassion.

Please don't turn this into one of those threads.

 

[master bate]

I understand where you are coming from as a passionate St Kilda supporter, but as a female reading this it is fairly painful when an imbalance of compassion is given to the accused, especially on the St Kilda board itself.
Women on here are bullied all the time for having a voice - you probably wouldn't notice it. Amazing, as there's a lot of women at football games, yet when one opens her voice on here she tends to be slammed...not just on this occassion.

If you are worried about getting 'bullied' on bigfooty then you don't have much to worry about. Except for maybe getting slammed by Milne

 

[Falchoon]

No we weren't.

that was back before you started winning

 

[Mr Smiff]

If it was down to a he said/she said scenario, I really doubt that the police would have charged Milne, there would have to be more evidence for this to go forward.

The interesting thing I find is ........that there are now, 4 charges.
That does make things interesting, doesn't it. ?
So it, to me goes down a little more then....."he said/she said"

9 years is a long time.

 

[Falchoon]

That's because any decent forward pocket moves up the ground to the midfield.

Ben Cousins kicked 30+ goals as a teenager in a forward pocket, but moved into the midfield.

Milne's not good enough for a midfield role, but good enough to maintain his position in the pocket.

There'd be scores of blokes who could play the role better, but they took on the challenge to have a more meaningful impact.

Steve Johnson is a classic example, oodles better than Milne as a footballer.

and 6" taller - physically he's more comparable to Riewoldt than Milne


outside of Boomer Harvey who was the last sub 5'10"er (average AU male height (177.5cm)) that you'd call a top shelf midfielder?