Mitch Clark v Tyrone Vickery (Most Goals 2012)

[StillWaiting5689]

Vickery, he outscored him last year despite being second fiddle to Riewoldt, you would expect him to increase his output this year and score 45-50 goals which I can't see Clark getting.
My tip is Clark has a very poor year but has a big 2013.

 

[Heisenberg_]

Mitch Clark will probably spend a bit more time in the ruck

It's his best position by far, as a forward he is average, Vicks is a much better forward.

 

[tugga]

Close call. If both players can kick 35-40 goals each, they will have done their job.
My tip? A tie.

 

[camiam]

IM BACKING V-DOG FOR COLEMAN get on it!!

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Will be pretty close and will depend on which player's team does better I would think.

How does the fence feel?

I'll come and join you as I too am undecided on who'll kick the most goals out of the two.

Clarky's too hot and cold whereas Vickery's coming off a career best season but could be prone to having a let-down as is usually the case with players coming off a career best season.

 

[Ron The Bear]

As much as I'm a fan of Clark, his output as a forward has tended to be sporadic, whereas Vickery became a regular contributor on the scoreboard in 2011. Vickery at 21 has scope to continue his improvement in this area; Clark less so at 24. I'm backing our player.

 

[Deledio_Judd]

Would think Clark as he should be the main target for the demons, and Richmond have Riewoldt and Miller up forward also.

 

[The Chiefton]

Would think Clark as he should be the main target for the demons, and Richmond have Riewoldt and Miller up forward also.

Vickery kicked 36 goals in 2011 with both of these blokes in the forward line with him, why can't he do the same this year? He will improve yet again, and will probably add a further 5-10 goals to his tally, which will bring it to 40-45 by seasons end... I can't see Mitch Clark kicking this many as Melbourne's midfield is not as good as Richmond's.

 

[Toffee Lion]

Mitch Clark won't kick over 30 goals.

Couldn't do it as the main target up forward, Won't do it next to Jurrah etc...

 

[fushy]

Mitch Clark won't kick over 30 goals.

Couldn't do it as the main target up forward, Won't do it next to Jurrah etc...

Doesnt need to, just needs to crash the pack for jurrah.

 

[Slattery_20]

Didn't Jurrah rock back up seriously overweight and cop a heap of shit from Neeld? Or was that just a rumour.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Vickery to kick more goals, Clark to have the better season, see him kicking 30 kick goals while pinch hitting in the ruck, hopefully he returns to that awesome 2009 form.

 

[PTizzle]

Vickery - Clark should not be playing a power forward role full stop.

 

[Old Skool]

A tie.

27 goals each.

 

[markm106]

Don't think Jurrah was overweight. Neeld has however worked him hard to boost his tank. Also has had a wrist problem.

 

[Jordie_tackles]

Didn't Jurrah rock back up seriously overweight and cop a heap of shit from Neeld? Or was that just a rumour.

Nah didnt happen, is injured though

Wonna did that in previous years though

 

[Tiger2709]

Saw Clark clunk a couple of big marks at Casey on Friday on the intra club match. If he plays all year in the forward 50 he should kick more. Expect Riewoldt to kick a lot so will take away from Vickery. To be honest though Clark himself may only kick 40-50 as we have quiet a few others down there. He also crashed a few packs in the intra club match so that is a big part of his role.

You say only kick 40 - 50 that would be a 50% increase on last year, which was his best return, it's hard to say as he is not really a full forward, but with the price tag he will surely attract a lot of pressure from the opposition and the media, not to mention Melbourne supporters, it will be interesting to see how it all works out.

As for the highest scorer between these two, probably pretty even, but both may play a bit of time in the ruck so it's tough too say, they were neck and neck last year so it may just come down to who is in the more successful team.

 

[cotter101]

Clark could score more goals if he plays as a roaming CHF which he wont. So Vickery.

 

[markm106]

You say only kick 40 - 50 that would be a 50% increase on last year, which was his best return, it's hard to say as he is not really a full forward, but with the price tag he will surely attract a lot of pressure from the opposition and the media, not to mention Melbourne supporters, it will be interesting to see how it all works out.

As for the highest scorer between these two, probably pretty even, but both may play a bit of time in the ruck so it's tough too say, they were neck and neck last year so it may just come down to who is in the more successful team.

I thought Clark played more CHF last year. I know he did against us. I could be wrong. I expect him to play inside F50 this year. Possibly swapping with Watts at CHF like they did in praccy match.

 

[brock sylvia]

Everyone says Clark is not a full-forward and more of a ruckman. Why don't we wait and see after a full pre-season and proper season of playing predominantly at full-forward where his better position is and remember he is only 23.

Neeld knows his footy and he is adamant that Clark is a natural full-forward so before you shoot that down why dont we just wait and see, coz personally id trust Neeld more than your average bigfooty poster.

 

[cotter101]

I thought Clark played more CHF last year. I know he did against us. I could be wrong. I expect him to play inside F50 this year. Possibly swapping with Watts at CHF like they did in praccy match.

He stayed mainly in the F 50. He had a couple of good games roaming the ground.

 

[markm106]

Everyone says Clark is not a full-forward and more of a ruckman. Why don't we wait and see after a full pre-season and proper season of playing predominantly at full-forward where his better position is and remember he is only 23.

Neeld knows his footy and he is adamant that Clark is a natural full-forward so before you shoot that down why dont we just wait and see, coz personally id trust Neeld more than your average bigfooty poster.

Well said.

 

[Ron The Bear]

remember he is only 23.

24.

Occurrences of players Clark's size (200cm+) kicking significant tallies are rare, and rarer still for mature players. But who knows, Neeld may have perceived that the modern game favours this type of forward.

Go Player          Hgt Cb Year Age
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65 Salmon, Paul    205 Es 1993  28
63 Salmon, Paul    205 Es 1984  19
59 Salmon, Paul    205 Es 1992  27
55 Tippett, Kurt   203 Ad 2009  21
48 Ball, Jason     201 WC 1995  22
47 Byrne, Michael  200 Ha 1982  23
46 Salmon, Paul    205 Es 1986  21
46 Ottens, Brad    202 Ri 2001  21
46 Tippett, Kurt   203 Ad 2010  22
45 Rendell, Matt   200 Fi 1981  21
45 Everitt, Peter  201 St 1998  23
44 Everitt, Peter  201 St 1997  22
43 Salmon, Paul    205 Es 1987  22
43 Salmon, Paul    205 Es 1990  25
41 Everitt, Peter  201 St 1996  21
40 Everitt, Peter  201 St 2000  25
39 Thompson, Len   200 Sy 1979  31
39 Madden, Justin  206 Ca 1984  22
39 Salmon, Paul    205 Es 1989  24
39 Salmon, Paul    205 Es 1995  30
39 Grgic, Ilija    203 WB 1995  23
37 Salmon, Paul    205 Es 1988  23
37 Fraser, Josh    202 Co 2002  20
37 Hale, David     201 NM 2008  23
36 Vickery, Tyrone 200 Ri 2011  20
34 Alessio, Steven 203 Es 1999  27
32 Heard, Bob      202 Co 1974  25
32 Everitt, Peter  201 St 1995  20
31 Tippett, Kurt   203 Ad 2011  23
30 Salmon, Paul    205 Es 1991  26
30 Ottens, Brad    202 Ri 2000  20
30 Everitt, Peter  201 St 2001  26
30 Bandy, Daniel   200 WB 2002  26

That's not to pan him, or to say he can't make a significant contribution. Have seen him do some eye-popping things up forward; his agility for a big man is exceptional. I just don't think he's an exceptional forward.

 

[smasha]

That's the beauty of Richmond.

Lots of players noone knows about.

WE will do pretty good this year I feel.

Richmond supporters deserve it.

 

[Richo83]

24.

Occurrences of players Clark's size (200cm+) kicking significant tallies are rare, and rarer still for mature players. But who knows, Neeld may have perceived that the modern game favours this type of forward.

And most of those were either young talls who were very talented (Everitt, Ottens), or mature aged players who had already shown the ability to kick bags in the past (Salmon).

I think Vickery will kick more goals. I see Melbourne as still trying to share the load of goal scoring through the likes of Green, Howe, Watts, Jurrah and others. I suspect and hope Vickery will kick 40+ goals this year. Given he kicked 36 last year it's more than feasible. So Clarke will have to kick 40+ and I'm not sure he's required to do that. I suspect in Richmond, Hardwick wants a power forward combo sorta like Franklin and Roughead are.