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Imagine if the Scum got a tough start to next year's draw and 0-3 was very likely. Do you still think there'll be love for the Juddster?
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Imagine if the Scum got a tough start to next year's draw and 0-3 was very likely. Do you still think there'll be love for the Juddster?
Am I disappointed that Clark didn't make that AA squad? A little.
Do I care? Not really. As has been mentioned, it's a bit of a love fest with the selectors and some of the "regulars" in the AA team.
It would be interesting if the AA squad was selected like how a lot of the American sporting organisations go about picking their best players: the fans vote for it. It would probably be stil a Victoria love fest but at least it's us who gets a say
Do I care? Not really. As has been mentioned, it's a bit of a love fest with the selectors and some of the "regulars" in the AA team.
It would be interesting if the AA squad was selected like how a lot of the American sporting organisations go about picking their best players: the fans vote for it. It would probably be stil a Victoria love fest but at least it's us who gets a say
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I think the argument was that the ruckmen as a whole didn't have a good year this year. Another lame Victorian excuse.
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Exactly. Which ruckman gave defences the most help this year? Which ruckman set new standards for running himself into the ground for his team? An automatic selection, IMO.
How can you give a player a leadership role in the AA team when he has been suspended on a serious misconduct charge? Disagree personally as you may - Walls with his Carlton glasses on - but to disregard it is a slap in the face for our entire judicial system.
Personally I , and the AFL players endorse this, feel Brownie was the leader to be acknowleged. But I will accept Goodwin or Scarlett or anyone worthy of the honour.
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GC17 and GWS18 can't come quickly enough.
Nor can the relocation of the Demons to Tasmania.
Can't wait for the Victorian balance of power in the game to disappear, then the "interstate" sides will get a look-in for a change.
Nor can the relocation of the Demons to Tasmania.
Can't wait for the Victorian balance of power in the game to disappear, then the "interstate" sides will get a look-in for a change.
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When Black and Drummond can't make the squad then its obvious it comes down to the favourite Victorian players. After the BS that came out of Judd's mouth and he gets named VC, the whole team is a joke and its a popularity contest.
I know this is off topic but I wonder what will happen (its not likely to ever happen) if all 8 or at least 7 interstate sides made the top 8. I understand that there's some deal where the MCG has to have a certain amount of finals played at it but surely they have to change this because it would be a complete embarrassment if a few interstate teams had to play a "home" game in Melbourne.
I know this is off topic but I wonder what will happen (its not likely to ever happen) if all 8 or at least 7 interstate sides made the top 8. I understand that there's some deal where the MCG has to have a certain amount of finals played at it but surely they have to change this because it would be a complete embarrassment if a few interstate teams had to play a "home" game in Melbourne.
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The Victorians will call another inquiry like they did a couple of years ago.
As much as I am a Victorian and spent large periods living o/s and in Perth and now Brisbane, my biggest pet hate in football is referring to non-Victorian sides as "interstate" sides, which automatically conjures the thought that we, the non-Victorian sides, are playing in their competition.
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As much as I am a Victorian and spent large periods living o/s and in Perth and now Brisbane, my biggest pet hate in football is referring to non-Victorian sides as "interstate" sides, which automatically conjures the thought that we, the non-Victorian sides, are playing in their competition.
That is why I put it in inverted commas. The term annoys me too.
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In your opinion....
In my opinion the AA team shouldn't have a loose-man-in-defence or small forwards who kicked less than half the goals of other small forwards that missed out.
Got to love opinion.
Well, that seems to be the prevailing opinion. Doesn't say much for the league's ruck stocks if the pre-eminent performer in that position can't kick, fumbles sitter marks and palms to the opposition.
I must be missing something.
AA is good and all but Mitch will survive and probably won't have much impact on the way he plays next year. A couple of things i've noticed from Bigfooty & the media re AA:
* Couldn't find the link but Jimmy Hird mentioned something about rewarding players who performed in 'big games.' I don't think i'd be wrong in suggesting that the 'big games' he is referring to mainly involve big Victorian clubs no matter the importance of the game itself. I would suggest Carlton v Essendon may be considered a 'big game' where as Adelaide v Bris might not even though the latter teams finished above.
* Funny Pies supporters have been bitching for years and calling the AA Team a joke after their players constantly miss out. Interesting this year they are defending it with all their passion. Funny stuff!
* No doubt the multitudes crying foul about how much of a joke it is will use it 'multiple AA' as evidence to pump up their champs.
AA...meh, interesting exercise and a bloody fair list this year despite the ommissions of some quality players, but ever since I heard both Walls and Hird on different occasions mention they actually hadn't watched certain games (mostly interstate), I can really take it for what it is.
* Couldn't find the link but Jimmy Hird mentioned something about rewarding players who performed in 'big games.' I don't think i'd be wrong in suggesting that the 'big games' he is referring to mainly involve big Victorian clubs no matter the importance of the game itself. I would suggest Carlton v Essendon may be considered a 'big game' where as Adelaide v Bris might not even though the latter teams finished above.
* Funny Pies supporters have been bitching for years and calling the AA Team a joke after their players constantly miss out. Interesting this year they are defending it with all their passion. Funny stuff!
* No doubt the multitudes crying foul about how much of a joke it is will use it 'multiple AA' as evidence to pump up their champs.
AA...meh, interesting exercise and a bloody fair list this year despite the ommissions of some quality players, but ever since I heard both Walls and Hird on different occasions mention they actually hadn't watched certain games (mostly interstate), I can really take it for what it is.
The AA selectors should be rewarding the best players in their rightful positions. Otherwise, they may as well just pick a squad of the best 22 players in the league and list 'em in alphabetical order. It's not as if they play anyone. Bring back the Truth Cazaly Awards!
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Firstly Mitch Clark not getting AA ruckman was a disgrace. IF you compare Sandilands to Mitch Clark. Ok I understand that Sandilands is getting the hitouts and clearances but most of those hitouts are to the oppostion and also his got a second ruckman to help. Mitch Clark on the other hand done the ruck duties and cleaned up everything in defence and pushed forward aswell, all by himself with a bit of help form Jarred Brennan. FYI A.Sandilands will not be able to do what Mitch Clark has done by himself.
Secondly Fevola being named at FF instead of Brown. What do they think if Carlton had a Bradshaw like in their foward like who kicked 50 goals Fevola would not kick enough goals as Brown has. Oh and Who has the most marks inside 50 or who has the most contested marks in the league??? Oh wait I think J.Brown does. This is a ****ING joke
Thirldy the Forward pocket or the Centre Half Forward is suppose to kick goals not frigen get the most disposals in the league. How the **** can they pick Leon Davis and Dane Swan in front of Mark Lecras and Jason Porplyzia who kicked more than 50 goals this season. This is another reason why I think they should just call The All Australian Squad as The All Victorian Squad lol.
Secondly Fevola being named at FF instead of Brown. What do they think if Carlton had a Bradshaw like in their foward like who kicked 50 goals Fevola would not kick enough goals as Brown has. Oh and Who has the most marks inside 50 or who has the most contested marks in the league??? Oh wait I think J.Brown does. This is a ****ING joke
Thirldy the Forward pocket or the Centre Half Forward is suppose to kick goals not frigen get the most disposals in the league. How the **** can they pick Leon Davis and Dane Swan in front of Mark Lecras and Jason Porplyzia who kicked more than 50 goals this season. This is another reason why I think they should just call The All Australian Squad as The All Victorian Squad lol.
order of annoyance:
1. Clark getting shafted for Goodes having a good 6 weeks
2. Brown getting jipped for eye gouger
3. Putting Swan on a HFF because they couldnt squeeze him in on the ball or HBF, if he's not good enough he's not in!
4. LeCras kicking 50 goals in a bottom 4 team and missing out
5. Goddard getting pushed onto the bench... lol
6. Goodwin making the team: i cant STAND players making it on past accolades when players that have had a much better year miss out
gutted for Clarky, i almost talked myself into thinking it was a certainty..
Judd is a good player, and deserved to get in this year, but to me it feels like unless he missed 10 games he's going to be an automatic selection + captain/VC for the rest of his career regardless of performance.
1. Clark getting shafted for Goodes having a good 6 weeks
2. Brown getting jipped for eye gouger
3. Putting Swan on a HFF because they couldnt squeeze him in on the ball or HBF, if he's not good enough he's not in!
4. LeCras kicking 50 goals in a bottom 4 team and missing out
5. Goddard getting pushed onto the bench... lol
6. Goodwin making the team: i cant STAND players making it on past accolades when players that have had a much better year miss out
gutted for Clarky, i almost talked myself into thinking it was a certainty..
Judd is a good player, and deserved to get in this year, but to me it feels like unless he missed 10 games he's going to be an automatic selection + captain/VC for the rest of his career regardless of performance.
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TBH, I'm not overly miffed with the notion of Swan being named on a HFF - in reality most sides really only play a 4 or 5 man forward line most of the time, so it's really the antiquated "position" setup that's at fault. Not that many teams have more than one specialist HFF.
In the cold light of day, it's also painfully ironic that Clark showing he could handle the ruck solo with the occasional chop-out from a mobile tall utility was the thing that saw him miss out on a bench spot, with the selectors opting for one ruckman rather than two.
In the cold light of day, it's also painfully ironic that Clark showing he could handle the ruck solo with the occasional chop-out from a mobile tall utility was the thing that saw him miss out on a bench spot, with the selectors opting for one ruckman rather than two.
Slightly disappointed when Clark didn't get the nod as the starting ruck.
Still, it was probably always 50/50 between Sandilands and him and there's no denying that Sandilands had the advantage in terms of pure ruckwork.
......but then Mitch didn't even get the nod on the bench
Absolute shocker!
Even on the main Board (last night, anyway) at least 90% of contributors were gobsmacked about his total exclusion.
As for some of the other "selections"
Unlucky: Porplyzia, Gilbert
Ripped Off: Goddard, Brown.
Totally Ripped off: LeCras
Lucky: Maxwell, Bolton
Very Lucky: Goodwin
Buy a Lotto ticket: Leon Davis.
Now we come to the final atrocity: Kung Foo Judd as V/C
To borrow a few lines from Monty Python............"your father was a hamster and your mother smells of elderberries....I waive my private parts at you and fart in your general direction"
Still, it was probably always 50/50 between Sandilands and him and there's no denying that Sandilands had the advantage in terms of pure ruckwork.
......but then Mitch didn't even get the nod on the bench
Absolute shocker!
Even on the main Board (last night, anyway) at least 90% of contributors were gobsmacked about his total exclusion.
As for some of the other "selections"
Unlucky: Porplyzia, Gilbert
Ripped Off: Goddard, Brown.
Totally Ripped off: LeCras
Lucky: Maxwell, Bolton
Very Lucky: Goodwin
Buy a Lotto ticket: Leon Davis.
Now we come to the final atrocity: Kung Foo Judd as V/C
To borrow a few lines from Monty Python............"your father was a hamster and your mother smells of elderberries....I waive my private parts at you and fart in your general direction"
Well, that seems to be the prevailing opinion. Doesn't say much for the league's ruck stocks if the pre-eminent performer in that position can't kick, fumbles sitter marks and palms to the opposition.
I must be missing something.
Yes, it's either a pair of eyes or a brain.
Sandilands has almost double the effective hitouts as Mitch Clark and runs at a similar percentage, double 1st possessions double the clearances and double the amount of goals. Sounds like he's close to 'double' the ruckman Clark is
http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web...G10,E1,E2,E3,E4,E5,E6,E7,E8,E9,E10,E11,D10,R4And who would that be?
No, Sandilands couldn't possibly dream of being half as good as Clark, the figures above prove it.
I don't see the point in making this a Clark v Sandilands thing.
The point is, both should have made the AA side.
In a hypothetical match between the AA team and Whoever, Sandilands and Clark would be a dynamic ruck combination.
You'd want Sandilands doing most of the center square work to a bunch of on-ballers who actually knew how to read his taps and you would have the added luxury of having Clark doing all the gut busting running to get to the around the ground ruck work.
Sandilands to "rest" forward if the occasion called for it, whilst Mitch would float between centre and FB to do his trademark mopping up and saving defensive marks.
Sandilands deserved his AA selection,,,,but so too did Clark.
The issue is with the stupidity of the brainless mob that picked the side, who couldn't find places for both of them
The point is, both should have made the AA side.
In a hypothetical match between the AA team and Whoever, Sandilands and Clark would be a dynamic ruck combination.
You'd want Sandilands doing most of the center square work to a bunch of on-ballers who actually knew how to read his taps and you would have the added luxury of having Clark doing all the gut busting running to get to the around the ground ruck work.
Sandilands to "rest" forward if the occasion called for it, whilst Mitch would float between centre and FB to do his trademark mopping up and saving defensive marks.
Sandilands deserved his AA selection,,,,but so too did Clark.
The issue is with the stupidity of the brainless mob that picked the side, who couldn't find places for both of them
The old boys on the committee clearly see it as an accumulative process.
Due to that I never expected he'd make it.
You can just see their thought process though:
"Maybe not a permanent ruckman into the future, so we can't really have him in the ruck spot over a career ruckman."
"A season out of the box, I wonder will he recreate it again?"
"What about the bench?"
"Well this is the All Australian team, we can't reward just a single season when we have all these bigger names still in contention."
"This is the perfect excuse not to pick two ruckmen."
"Well if anyone asks we can say Goodes can ruck."
Due to that I never expected he'd make it.
You can just see their thought process though:
"Maybe not a permanent ruckman into the future, so we can't really have him in the ruck spot over a career ruckman."
"A season out of the box, I wonder will he recreate it again?"
"What about the bench?"
"Well this is the All Australian team, we can't reward just a single season when we have all these bigger names still in contention."
"This is the perfect excuse not to pick two ruckmen."
"Well if anyone asks we can say Goodes can ruck."
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I think the whole All Australian concept is a bit over-rated. Personally, I rate it alongside Mike Sheehan's Top 50 players list, which appears in the Herald Sun at the start of each season in terms of relevance. Like most lists, I suppose, they serve as talking points for a while and then you forget all about them. Really, to be selected as an All Australian player simply means that Demetriou, Anderson, Bartlett, Healy, Hird, Jakovich, Ricciuto and Walls rate you. That's about it really. We get a bit of froth and bubble and we all move on.
So Sandilands gets picked in the ruck before Clark ... big fizz. I don't think Clark will be losing any sleep over it. After all, in the long run, a player would much rather be a member of a Premiership side than an All Australian side and in that regard, Clark is much better placed than Sandilands ever will be while he is at Fremantle. For example, without looking it up on the AFL website or doing any research can anyone tell me who was in the 2003 All Australian side? I can certainly tell you who was in the 2003 Premiership team and I know which set of players would be happiest when they look back on their careers.
We just have to keep reminding ourselves, if the A.F.L. endorse it, it pretty much has to be crap.
Go Lions!
So Sandilands gets picked in the ruck before Clark ... big fizz. I don't think Clark will be losing any sleep over it. After all, in the long run, a player would much rather be a member of a Premiership side than an All Australian side and in that regard, Clark is much better placed than Sandilands ever will be while he is at Fremantle. For example, without looking it up on the AFL website or doing any research can anyone tell me who was in the 2003 All Australian side? I can certainly tell you who was in the 2003 Premiership team and I know which set of players would be happiest when they look back on their careers.
We just have to keep reminding ourselves, if the A.F.L. endorse it, it pretty much has to be crap.
Go Lions!
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