Montagna's 80m deliberate out of bounds

[Baldur]

It is not the mistakes, it is the refusal to admit error that annoys.

Organisations & people that refuse to accept they are in error & indeed justify them can only get worse. If the AFL cares about the brand then they had better begin to do something about this.

Maybe 1% of posters agree that it was a correct decision, they are eitheir deluded or trolls.

It does not matter if the umpires & the AFL really believe the decision was correct (I doubt it), if the fans as a collective do not then they have a problem.

 

[StFly]

Didn't Gieschen also confirm the Blair free against Carlton as correct? That was rubbish too. I would say that he's past his use by date, but I wasn't sure how a failed coach managed to fall into the job in the first place. Forget "Unleash the Giesch" - just "Release the Giesch".

There are 2 contradicting rules to apply to the Blair situation, contradicting because one states it's OK to place your open hands on the chest and push if the football is no more than 5m away in a marking contest, the very next rule however says that it's only OK to push with an open hand thus throwing our the plural and creating a contradiction of it being ok to use both hands no wait one, no wait a pygmie tied to a hippopotamus on crack.

I can quote the sections if you want it highlighted further.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

So now its official.
The players have to make sure they dont accidently get pinged for deliberate out of bounds.

 

[Squizz]

I can quote the sections if you want it highlighted further.

Not really!

The issue is the complete lack of consistency.

A player protecting the space with a fend off in the side or front commonly occurs in games and isn't penalised (in the games I've been watching anyway). Forwards do it all the time.

Why - out of the blue - pay one against the defender 10m out from goal directly in front?

Whilst the OOB rule is applied inconsistently from time to time, the fact that the ball travelled 55m in flight and initially bounced so far from the line was stupid to penalise and absolutely moronic to confirm after the game.

 

[krusden]

It is not the mistakes, it is the refusal to admit error that annoys.

Organisations & people that refuse to accept they are in error & indeed justify them can only get worse. If the AFL cares about the brand then they had better begin to do something about this.

Maybe 1% of posters agree that it was a correct decision, they are eitheir deluded or trolls.

It does not matter if the umpires & the AFL really believe the decision was correct (I doubt it), if the fans as a collective do not then they have a problem.

yep. all the giesch needed to say was "that was a wrong decision. Humans make mistakes. we'll try to make sure that another will not be made but if it is then shit happens"

thus, supporters placated.

 

[Brenton Davy]

Forgive me for quoting myself, but Gieshen has just validated my fears..

Out-of-bounds decision against Leigh Montagna gets thumbs up
Matt Windley
From: Herald Sun
April 28, 2011 12:00AM

AFL umpires boss Jeff Gieschen has given the all clear to the deliberate out of bounds free kick paid against St Kilda's Leigh Montagna last week.
Montagna kicked the ball from just inside the centre square, landing it some 50m down the ground before it bounced right and trickled out of bounds.

So I reiterate my rant...

Just.......WOW!

 

[Saintos The ITK]

Joey went on to become an accomplished afl footballer. However he could never shake off his obsession of inventing ever unique methods of wasting 6 seconds of game time.

 

[Persevering Saint]

Joey went on to become an accomplished afl footballer. However he could never shake off his obsession of inventing ever unique methods of wasting 6 seconds of game time.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

He's trolling the AFL , daring them to make another stupid rule.

 

[Brains Trust66]

I can see the afl coming up with some stupid rule to stop what Joey did from happening again with the excuse they always use ,imagine if a grand final was decided by that. Big freaking deal, it's time the afl left the decisions alone for a couple of years. They never used to change them. Name another game where rules are changed at any stage during a season. At least wait until the end of the season before you change something. This stupid free kicks for rushing the ball through for a point is just ridiculous. It's just part of the game . Ok the Hawks took advantage of it in the grand final a few years back but if you hadn't of changed the rule about not being able to play on until the umpire waved his flag then it would never have happened . They change rules without thinking about what could happen. It's all this knee jerk reaction that they do. Was any one really concerned about how long they were taking to kick The footy in ,in the first place? All it's really lead to is the guy kicking out doing a silly little short pass to the back pocket because he runs out of time.


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[Sir Skid]

Worst deliberate out call ever.
None before or since come close to that rediculous call.

 

[Hugh Jars]

I think of this one every time I see a deliberate OOB paid. If that was deliberate they should have just abolished throw ins & pay a free against the last man to touch it before it goes out.

 

[PoppedCorn]

I like no deliberate at all
If your smart enough to get it out of bounds to reset position or defend then so be it

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I like no deliberate at all
If your smart enough to get it out of bounds to reset position or defend then so be it

It was definitely being used as a tactic in the past when the defensive forward stuff started happening.
Kick out of defence to a man on man contest. Aim for the guy near the boundary.

Option 1. Mark the ball. = best result.
Option 2. Opponent spoils mark, win possession and deliver to a team mate. = best result.
Option 3. Opponent spoils mark, get it out of bounds. Throw in. Still a reasonable result.
Option 4. Opponent tries to mar, spoil it and get it out of bounds. Same as 2.
Option 5. Opponent marks the ball. Bad Result.
Option 6. Ball goes to ground , opponent wins it and gets it to a teammate. Bad Result.

All else being equal the boundary can give an advantage in this situation. But not with the deliberate rules.

It can also favour teams with dominant ruckmen. If you can avoid going out on the full , just boot it long forward to a boundary and Max Gawn will win you the hitout.

 

[underthestars]

Reduce the grey. And reduce the throw ins. If a ball is kicked out, regardless of on the full or not, it is a free kick. If run out, unless pushed or tackled over the line, it is a free kick. If handballed out it is a free kick. If pushed out from under a pack it is a free kick. If it ever accidentally hits another player on any part of the body and goes out, it is a throw in. If in a marking pack it is spoiled out, it is a throw in (personally i'd like that last one changed as well, but can live with it as it woudl lead to a lot of mistakes as to who fisted it out).

 

[sauce_head]

I can see the afl coming up with some stupid rule to stop what Joey did from happening again with the excuse they always use ,imagine if a grand final was decided by that. Big freaking deal, it's time the afl left the decisions alone for a couple of years. They never used to change them. Name another game where rules are changed at any stage during a season. At least wait until the end of the season before you change something. This stupid free kicks for rushing the ball through for a point is just ridiculous. It's just part of the game . Ok the Hawks took advantage of it in the grand final a few years back but if you hadn't of changed the rule about not being able to play on until the umpire waved his flag then it would never have happened . They change rules without thinking about what could happen. It's all this knee jerk reaction that they do. Was any one really concerned about how long they were taking to kick The footy in ,in the first place? All it's really lead to is the guy kicking out doing a silly little short pass to the back pocket because he runs out of time.


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Great rant!

 

[bergholt]

Big freaking deal, it's time the afl left the decisions alone for a couple of years. They never used to change them.

How about the flick pass? The 15 metre penalty? The drop kick? The place kick? Etc etc etc, I'm sure there are plenty I don't know about.

 

[Brains Trust66]

How about the flick pass? The 15 metre penalty? The drop kick? The place kick? Etc etc etc, I'm sure there are plenty I don't know about.

But they were changed over time , not in the middle of a season. And they were thought through first. And as far as I am aware there is no rule about not doing the drop kick, it's just unreliable compared to the drop punt but you can do a drop kick if you want.


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