More clarity on GWS U17yr old trades - featuring the mini-draft

[Vader]

Re: More clarity on GWS U17yr old trades - no mini-draft

I probably did count out Adelaide rather quickly, but with games against WB, Essendon at AAMI, Port, Gold Coast and Richmond at AAMI to come I think you just might get there this year. Also I reckon Craig's a dead man walking and teams always seem to get a kick along when a senior coach is sacked and an assistant takes over.

Not to mention your currently going along without Mackay, Porplyzia, Walker and Davis. Obviously there's a solid chance Walker won't be there next year but put the other three back in and you become a lot more dangerous.

Craig's definitely a dead man walking, but he will be allowed to see out the season. He just won't be in the same job in 2012. Don't expect to see a caretaker honeymoon at Adelaide this year.

Footscray will smash us tomorrow night. Port treat Showdowns as their Grand Finals - and Craig doesn't believe in playing on emotion, so you can mark that one down as a loss too. I'm struggling to see us beating GC at GC. That just leaves the infamously bad travellers in Essendon & Richmond. We can still afford to win 1 game and keep the PP..

 

[Obeanie1]

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Agree. Next years crop looks sensational! So many trade options for GWS this year!

O'Meara, Grundy, Kennedy, Garlett, Yarran, Irra all look good amongst others. Would add Stringer to that list who is out inj.

I'd say at this stage it comes down to whether GWS like Whitfield or O'Meara for the no.1 overall selection (I don't think they are in much danger of not getting that no.1 overall selection with no Ablett level talents likely to sign on). I still have Whitfield at no.1 so I would think O'Meara would probably be traded unless he shows in the 2nd half of the year that he is clearly the better of the pair. But there isn't allot in it between the pair. Both sensational talents!

Right now I'm thinking GWS uses 3/4 this year of the 17 year olds, because the quality is so high this year, but I certainly think they will carry that final one over for the following year.

For Collingwood if we don't get O'Meara (who I think we will go very hard after along with all 17 other clubs), I'd like to go particularly hard after Stringer. Absolutely sensational talent who I think will develop into a monster. The injury was a huge set back, but he has great character and fantastic upside. Think he might be one who goes under the radar a bit.

Are you saying GWS don't / won't trade all 4 U17's so they have their prefered target fall to them in the draft the following year?

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[borderbarry]

Re: More clarity on GWS U17yr old trades - no mini-draft

If GWS trade two of the 4 17 yr olds this year, how many can they trade next year, just two or another 4?

 

[Quigley]

Re: More clarity on GWS U17yr old trades - no mini-draft

If they figure that one of the 17 year olds is likely to be the best player in the draft next year I would certainly leave him on the board and pick him next year. It also spreads out the incoming talent for an extra year and lets them evaluate what they need after next season.

 

[Quigley]

Re: More clarity on GWS U17yr old trades - no mini-draft

If GWS trade two of the 4 17 yr olds this year, how many can they trade next year, just two or another 4?

They have 4 in total over the two years however they want to split it up.

 

[WALL-e]

Re: More clarity on GWS U17yr old trades - no mini-draft

Only have one year to do it.

 

[Zahki]

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7. Incentive to other clubs trading with Team GWS in the 2011 and 2012 post-season:
Team GWS to be given access to four 17-year-olds born in the January to April 1994 window, with all players to be traded to other clubs. Selections will be allocated to Team GWS so the club can trade for established players, but the club will not have access to these 17-year-olds. If the four trades are not completed in the 2011 post-season, the balance of up to four trades may be used in the 2012 trading period.

They have both years. 4 in total.

 

[dlanod]

Re: More clarity on GWS U17yr old trades - no mini-draft

It also says post-season which is interesting as it contradicts what Rendall was saying of it being done part way through the year.

 

[Scodog10]

Re: More clarity on GWS U17yr old trades - no mini-draft

Craig's definitely a dead man walking, but he will be allowed to see out the season. He just won't be in the same job in 2012. Don't expect to see a caretaker honeymoon at Adelaide this year.

Footscray will smash us tomorrow night. Port treat Showdowns as their Grand Finals - and Craig doesn't believe in playing on emotion, so you can mark that one down as a loss too. I'm struggling to see us beating GC at GC. That just leaves the infamously bad travellers in Essendon & Richmond. We can still afford to win 1 game and keep the PP..

Don't be too down on them though IMO you have the makings of a very competitive team when everyone's on the park and firing (look no further than the first half performance against Collingwood). I'm sure getting Smith, Mackay and Walker back in the next 3-4 weeks will help as well.

 

[WALL-e]

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We have a good top end of young talent, but we have a ton of list clogging mid agers left over from previous recruitment. Having these comp drafts was horrid timing, we needed a rebuild this year and we'll have to wat for next year.

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

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Agree. Next years crop looks sensational! So many trade options for GWS this year!

O'Meara, Grundy, Kennedy, Garlett, Yarran, Irra all look good amongst others. Would add Stringer to that list who is out inj.

I'd say at this stage it comes down to whether GWS like Whitfield or O'Meara for the no.1 overall selection (I don't think they are in much danger of not getting that no.1 overall selection with no Ablett level talents likely to sign on). I still have Whitfield at no.1 so I would think O'Meara would probably be traded unless he shows in the 2nd half of the year that he is clearly the better of the pair. But there isn't allot in it between the pair. Both sensational talents!

Right now I'm thinking GWS uses 3/4 this year of the 17 year olds, because the quality is so high this year, but I certainly think they will carry that final one over for the following year.

For Collingwood if we don't get O'Meara (who I think we will go very hard after along with all 17 other clubs), I'd like to go particularly hard after Stringer. Absolutely sensational talent who I think will develop into a monster. The injury was a huge set back, but he has great character and fantastic upside. Think he might be one who goes under the radar a bit.

Agree with you there.

Whitfield will be number 1, he is the better possesion getter, he's a 30 possesion a week player with lovely skills and a clearance specialist.

O'Meara's pace (elite 2.81 over 20m) is game breaking for a inside mid, and kicks more goals, but he's a more mid 25 possesions a game player.

I also think GWS will trade 3 17 year olds this year, and keep one for next year.

The one for next year would have to be Jack Martin at this stage, amazing talent.

I had the opportunity this week and last week to go to WA under 18 and 16 training.

The talk from the coaches is O'meara will end up at a WA club with Collingwood and outside chance to get him.

They expect GWS to get a good deal for him.

I think GWS will do very well with these 17 year old picks.

 

[Toadvine]

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Which 3 do you think it will be RE?

O'Meara, Yarran and Garlett? with Kennedy and Crouch outside chances?

I wonder if Richmonds high ranking of players outside the box may see them go hard for someone not as highly rated as others at this point... like say putting faith in Stringer to come good or throwing a lot for someone like Crouch, who has been very good in the TAC but disappointing so far at Champ level.

 

[dlanod]

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I wonder if Richmonds high ranking of players outside the box may see them go hard for someone not as highly rated as others at this point... like say putting faith in Stringer to come good or throwing a lot for someone like Crouch, who has been very good in the TAC but disappointing so far at Champ level.

Unfortunately it probably doesn't help Richmond all that much. GWS would take the three best bids on three players (assuming they use three as mooted), and if Richmond's bid is on a different player they may have the highest on him but not one of the top three overall. Given the structure it really is clubs bidding against each other for the right to draft a 17 year old, picking an alternative 17 year old doesn't really affect the market that much.

 

[SirJimi05]

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Which 3 do you think it will be RE?

O'Meara, Yarran and Garlett? with Kennedy and Crouch outside chances?

I wonder if Richmonds high ranking of players outside the box may see them go hard for someone not as highly rated as others at this point... like say putting faith in Stringer to come good or throwing a lot for someone like Crouch, who has been very good in the TAC but disappointing so far at Champ level.

Clubs can't bid on any player they want. GWS nominate the players and then they clubs bid on those players if they are interested.

 

[dlanod]

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Clubs can't bid on any player they want. GWS nominate the players and then they clubs bid on those players if they are interested.

I think the clubs can express an interest in any player to try to get GWS to add them to the nominated list. If Richmond comes forward with a great offer (one of the two best) for a smokey that no one but they want, I doubt GWS is going to knock it back and would instead add the smokey to the nominated list.

 

[Super Hans]

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I read in the herald sun that Brad Crouch is one of the 17 year olds clubs are after but there is no talk of him on hear?

I go to school to Brad and he is an absolute freak. Midfielder, can play inside and out, Quick, strong body, good leadership and elite work ethic.

Supports North Melbourne so I wouldn't be surprised to see them make a massive play for him.

 

[clivewaterhousen]

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I read in the herald sun that Brad Crouch is one of the 17 year olds clubs are after but there is no talk of him on hear?

I go to school to Brad and he is an absolute freak. Midfielder, can play inside and out, Quick, strong body, good leadership and elite work ethic.

Supports North Melbourne so I wouldn't be surprised to see them make a massive play for him.

Agreed. Not much hype about him on here but he's a gun.

 

[The Shag]

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Does anyone have any further indication of when these trades/mini draft will take place?

Id find it interesting if the AFL created a black hole where Carlton could cut their losses, and trade away our first rounder for a talented 17y.o (Garlett maybe) ahead of october... and then have to spend only as high as our second rounder on Dylan Buckley, who we've already committed to...?

 

[Toadvine]

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My guess would be that the F/S bidding happens before the trade period but the "mini draft" would take place immediately after "trade week" to avoid any sort of black hole you refer to.

 

[dlanod]

Re: More clarity on GWS U17yr old trades - no mini-draft

My guess would be that the F/S bidding happens before the trade period but the "mini draft" would take place immediately after "trade week" to avoid any sort of black hole you refer to.

The most logical place would appear to be after F/S bidding but before trade week, if the AFL wanted to maximize what GWS can get out of it. Although the more I think about it, if actual negotiations took place during trade week and the mini draft immediately follows it, that'd work quite well too.

 

[WALL-e]

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The most logical place would appear to be after F/S bidding but before trade week, if the AFL wanted to maximize what GWS can get out of it. Although the more I think about it, if actual negotiations took place during trade week and the mini draft immediately follows it, that'd work quite well too.

Could go pear shaped for clubs when they stockpile assets to trade and they can't get a deal done.....still such is the risk.

 

[borderbarry]

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Has anyone posted a list of the players that are in the quarter year window? Apart from O'Meara and Kennedy, I dont know who else qualifies.
And Dayle Garlett.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

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Here are the key dates regarding list rules, exchange and draft period for 2011.
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/7415/newsid/108907/default.aspx

Monday August 1 (2pm) - Nomination deadline for 17-year-old players eligible under GWS Giants Zone Incentive Trading Rules.
Monday October 10 - Monday October 17 (2pm) - AFL Exchange Period, including GWS Giants Zone Incentive Trading Rules.

Monday October 17 (2.10pm) - GWS Giants Zone Incentive Selections.

It seems like the kids nominate by the 1st August, and the swaps or trades are completed on the 17th october.

 

[WALL-e]

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MEaning players may have to be delt mid season......hmm

 

[Deleted member 98541]

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2011 Toyota AFL Grand Final
Saturday, 1 October 2011 - MCG

Monday October 10 - Monday October 17 (2pm) - AFL Exchange Period, including GWS Giants Zone Incentive Trading Rules.

MEaning players may have to be delt mid season......hmm

How do you come to the conclusion that anything happens mid season?
The "exchange" period starts October 10, 9 days after the GF is played.
The only thing to happen by August is the nomination of which U17's are eligible, this has nothing to do with senior players.