List Mgmt. Morning, Joe! (was The Daniher (Probably Mega-)thread)

[youneverknow22]

The way I see it, most have said this year, including myself, that we need another contested market in the forward line and around the ground and some more ruck depth.
2 birds one stone.

The McStay and Hipwood combination is pretty effective forward line. Even though they don't get a lot of goals, they provide the contest that allows our smaller forwards to get them. We also have Oscar and Martin (who can go another year) or even Archie (who appeared to have improved in his recent games). I see daniher's best position as a forward/ruck combo, but Oscar does that effectively already. I just think that we should spend the money on something a bit more useful. Like whose going to replace Robinson? Or maybe a defender as Adams seems to have failed or even another big body midfielder as CEY is a give or take experiment. And we are a top 4 side, if we really needed daniher we wouldn't have finished where we were. Our season proved to us that we don't need him. This isn't Collingwood where it's obvious they lost because they didn't have an effective key forward. We haven't lost any games that had us asking where is our next big forward?

 

[martinson]

The way I see it, most have said this year, including myself, that we need another contested market in the forward line and around the ground and some more ruck depth.
2 birds one stone.

If we could get Daniher on the park he'd make a massive difference to us. That's self evident.

I'm as much in the dark as to his longer term injury status or what his contract might or might not entail as everyone else

 

[Daniels Riches]

I have stated my thoughts relatively clearly. We don't need daniher. There isn't a narrative here, just an opinion. We're not the same club like we were in 2014, and we can do better than an injury prone player who may or may not make it to the park.

I would rather back our own players rather than bring in a potential cog in the wheel. The extra money will also keep players like rayner, witherden, mcluggage and starc contracted for years to come.

I think to sum it up, you view the acquisition of Daniher as just another ‘potential cog in the wheel’ where others see him as ‘a potential superstar’ that is AA quality IF he can get his body right. Daniher is no mug and much more than a cog in the wheel type player (in the large majority of people’s opinion)

In regards to using the extra money to retain the players you mentioned, believe me that Swan, Noble and co would of taken this into account before starting negotiating with Joe. Again, they are no mugs and are smart enough to know what they need to do in order to retain players going into the future. I highly doubt bringing in Daniher will have an impact on their future.

Agree to disagree about how valuable Joe will be to our team, but at least have the faith in our guys to make the right call on him. I have complete trust in our administration and will back them in with whatever call they make.



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[chopperduck]

Christensen played 46 games in his last 3 years in Geelong. Surely you're not comparing that to Joe's 8 games in his last 3 years? And Birchall wasn't given a 5 year contract, neither was McCarthy. I said I wouldn't have an issue it the contract was shorter, but you can't pretend that signing an injury plagued footballer for 5 years is a good idea, because it isn't. We haven't done anything comparable to this in the past and neither have the other bigger clubs because they knew better. I firmly believe we can do better than daniher and I hope we don't sign him. And I know I'm not the only 1 here who believes this

Don't know why you are sooo hung up over the 5 year contract. He isn't a super rare case never before seen and a massive above average risk. He has had injuries which he has just got over and returned to playing. He is currently 26, a 5 year deal (if that even is the real length) is well within reason. He isn't in any danger of retiring at 28, at least no more than any other player has from injury.

I get that you personally would prefer a shorter contract to mitigate any risk, but at some point you have to back in the medical team which at this point is one of, if not the best in the league. If we are going down this track, they are clearly happy enough with the information they know. We even have a very good track record of getting guys that have been plagued by injury back on the field.

If the base price is around 650 a year, that is a steal. There are a few other players on the move this off season and their contracts are being talked much higher, yet Daniher at his best could be a game changer.

 

[Nuggo]

A power forward (one who can actually play albeit a bit second hand) drops from the sky and lands in our lap and some us are like....Nup .

Fagan would have fallen off his chair when he heard the news.

 

[Great8]

Reckon the Bombers are going to be pretty busy this trade period without adding a whole bunch of extra complications with Daniher. Very well might be a lot easier for them to just let it happen.

Yep, I’d let him go for whatever compo comes our way. If it’s pick 19 so be it, we could use that to trade for Brown or get Crouch in as a FA.
We need to hit the draft hard but still need a mature body in the midfield and a Daniher replacement up forward.
If we could turn Joe into Brown or Crouch that’s a win for us IMO

 

[chopperduck]

Yep, I’d let him go for whatever compo comes our way. If it’s pick 19 so be it, we could use that to trade for Brown or get Crouch in as a FA.
We need to hit the draft hard but still need a mature body in the midfield and a Daniher replacement up forward.
If we could turn Joe into Brown or Crouch that’s a win for us IMO

Certainly some short term options to fill some holes available whilst still giving you guys a very strong draft hand to inject a heap of youth.

 

[youneverknow22]

I wonder how most in here would feel if they matched the bid and forced a trade? I hope Noble sticks to his guns and let's daniher walk into the draft, because not only would the club be taking a risk on an injury prone player for 3-5 years, but they could also be trading players; i.e., witherden or smith (who will likely end up better players and play more games than daniher) or potential draft picks (who could end up as better players as well). I trust the club, and I can stomach a 3 year deal. A 5 year deal involving no trade is something I could barely accept, but trading a player/picks for a guy who played less than 10 games in the last 3 years? That has to be the worst case of mismanagement or risk-taking I would have ever seen. I trust the club and I know they won't be stupid enough to do such a thing.

 

[BangyBangy]

I wonder how most in here would feel if they matched the bid and forced a trade? I hope Noble sticks to his guns and let's daniher walk into the draft, because not only would the club be taking a risk on an injury prone player for 3-5 years, but they could also be trading players; i.e., witherden or smith (who will likely end up better players and play more games than daniher) or potential draft picks (who could end up as better players as well). I trust the club, and I can stomach a 3 year deal. A 5 year deal involving no trade is something I could barely accept, but trading a player/picks for a guy who played less than 10 games in the last 3 years? That has to be the worst case of mismanagement or risk-taking I would have ever seen. I trust the club and I know they won't be stupid enough to do such a thing.

Then why even post this?

 

[Nuggo]

You never know unless you give it a go

 

[youneverknow22]

Then why even post this?

Seriously, you pulled on that? Did you read the context of my post? I was stating that I trust the club and I KNOW they wouldn't do anything stupid. There was no malice involved, so please don't focus on that.

 

[BangyBangy]

Seriously, you pulled on that? Did you read the context of my post? I was stating that I trust the club and I KNOW they wouldn't do anything stupid. There was no malice involved, so please don't focus on that.

My point was, why have you posted like chicken little with the sky falling down, asking about how people would feel about a contract term you have invented, players we are trading out that will become better players than Daniher, that hasn't and probably won't happen, risking trading picks for a player that has played only a handful of games in the last three years yada yada yada only to finish it all off with - but I trust the club & I know it won't happen. I never said or implied your post had malice, I just don't get it.

 

[luthor]

I wonder how most in here would feel if they matched the bid and forced a trade? I hope Noble sticks to his guns and let's daniher walk into the draft, because not only would the club be taking a risk on an injury prone player for 3-5 years, but they could also be trading players; i.e., witherden or smith (who will likely end up better players and play more games than daniher) or potential draft picks (who could end up as better players as well). I trust the club, and I can stomach a 3 year deal. A 5 year deal involving no trade is something I could barely accept, but trading a player/picks for a guy who played less than 10 games in the last 3 years? That has to be the worst case of mismanagement or risk-taking I would have ever seen. I trust the club and I know they won't be stupid enough to do such a thing.

Essendon are not in a position to force anything.

The Essendon posters that have come on here have more or less acknowledged that.

In any case, I thought Noble had already clearly stated that we will NOT be entertaining trading for JD, thereby pre-empting any chance of humoring Dodoro if he tries another tough guy approach

Relax.

The club won't sell the farm or even it's outhouse to land Daniher.

If you really trust them, stop banging on like the sky is falling

 

[Happy_Neale]

Anyone who has watched us this year knows we have lacked a really competitive gorilla type KPF - McStay is at his best further up the ground and Hipwood is more of a tall flanker. Oscar has looked dangerous in our forward line but he only plays probably 40% of the match there. Daniher could slot right in and make us a 2-3 goal per game better team basically right away, even if he takes a little while to find form. A no-brainer for me.

 

[weevil]

Essendon are not in a position to force anything.

I'm willing to bet large sums of money on us using our first two picks to trade in a HQ midfielder. Leaving us with nothing whatsoever to trade with the bombers meaning they will literally have no choice but to take the compensation or to give him away for nothing.

 

[lioninthesand]

Like you mentioned, the adductor release surgery he had generally gets pretty good results. From memory they did a small retrospective study of 30 or so NCAA/NFL gridiron players and only 1-2 didn't feel like they returned to their previous performance levels, with no statistically significant difference pre/post surgery in performance or games played amongst the NFL players. Admittedly the biomechanics of playing aussie rules is different to gridiron.

Apart from the ongoing groin issue and the calf strain he had this year, I can't remember many other injury issues.

Yeah I happened to listen to a doctor talking about his groin surgury on the radio. He was saying they like to try strengthening, rest and other things first (which they did while he was out) - then once that doesn't work, they go for the surgury. Once the surgury is done it's in the high 90% range for sucsess. He thought his groin would never present issues again. I believe some of his frustration was how long they took to do the surgury.

 

[JasRulz63]

I'm willing to bet large sums of money on us using our first two picks to trade in a HQ midfielder. Leaving us with nothing whatsoever to trade with the bombers meaning they will literally have no choice but to take the compensation or to give him away for nothing.

I like the sound of this.

 

[BangyBangy]

I'm willing to bet large sums of money on us using our first two picks to trade in a HQ midfielder. Leaving us with nothing whatsoever to trade with the bombers meaning they will literally have no choice but to take the compensation or to give him away for nothing.

I was actually curious about this weevil in terms of the trade / free agency compensation timeline after hearing what Flea_29 posted recently. If we have plans for picks 18 & 19, it would be great to be able to execute this straight off the bat & take them off the table. I guess there are subtle ways around this anyway with releasing information to media about our plans, but would be preferable to take any doubt away if possible.

 

[Brett C]

I just don't think we need Daniher. IMHO we should be looking for a key central defender to release Harris Andrews to play Full Forward. Andrews is the best mark in the team, great long kick, great decision maker and leader. His talents are wasted punching the ball into the stands. The sooner we get young Payne up to speed, the better. I'm not a subscriber to the "Andrews is a great Center half back" and that's all he is......remember back in the early 2000s when we had the 4 best full forwards in the league playing in one team. Lynch, Brown, Bradshaw and Leppitch..........anyway I'm banging on.6

Why are we taking the best defender in the game and trying to make him a forward. Makes zero to no sense at all.

to say his talents are wasted down back is laughable and makes me thing you’ve never watched a game let alone understood it in your life.

 

[T Rick]

Christensen played 46 games in his last 3 years in Geelong. Surely you're not comparing that to Joe's 8 games in his last 3 years? And Birchall wasn't given a 5 year contract, neither was McCarthy. I said I wouldn't have an issue it the contract was shorter, but you can't pretend that signing an injury plagued footballer for 5 years is a good idea, because it isn't. We haven't done anything comparable to this in the past and neither have the other bigger clubs because they knew better. I firmly believe we can do better than daniher and I hope we don't sign him. And I know I'm not the only 1 here who believes this

Have you got a source for the "5 year contract" you keep referring to?

 

[Brett C]

I wonder how most in here would feel if they matched the bid and forced a trade? I hope Noble sticks to his guns and let's daniher walk into the draft, because not only would the club be taking a risk on an injury prone player for 3-5 years, but they could also be trading players; i.e., witherden or smith (who will likely end up better players and play more games than daniher) or potential draft picks (who could end up as better players as well). I trust the club, and I can stomach a 3 year deal. A 5 year deal involving no trade is something I could barely accept, but trading a player/picks for a guy who played less than 10 games in the last 3 years? That has to be the worst case of mismanagement or risk-taking I would have ever seen. I trust the club and I know they won't be stupid enough to do such a thing.

I’m really confused do you trust the club or not? It seems highly conditional on meeting your rather arbitrary requirements, 3 vs 5 years and no trade with picks attached.

 

[Hollow Knight]

There is a 2 day overlap (4th-6th November) where the free agency period is still going but trade period has begun. So yeah, all we'd have to do is trade those picks out on the 4th then put in our free agency bid for Daniher straight after.

 

[weevil]

I was actually curious about this weevil in terms of the trade / free agency compensation timeline after hearing what Flea_29 posted recently. If we have plans for picks 18 & 19, it would be great to be able to execute this straight off the bat & take them off the table. I guess there are subtle ways around this anyway with releasing information to media about our plans, but would be preferable to take any doubt away if possible.

Yeah, the whole time I'd been thinking that we needed to get Joe's negotiations done quickly so we could move onto a trade with those picks. But it's the other way around. The instant we get rid of those picks it's the end of the road for any hope the Bombers had for some sort of deal. They will be completely boxed in with no way out whatsoever. Could be pick 50 and they would still be forced to take it.

As far as I can see it's already game over. If he passes the medical he is all but a Brisbane player already.

 

[Hollow Knight]

I wonder how most in here would feel if they matched the bid and forced a trade? I hope Noble sticks to his guns and let's daniher walk into the draft, because not only would the club be taking a risk on an injury prone player for 3-5 years, but they could also be trading players; i.e., witherden or smith (who will likely end up better players and play more games than daniher) or potential draft picks (who could end up as better players as well). I trust the club, and I can stomach a 3 year deal. A 5 year deal involving no trade is something I could barely accept, but trading a player/picks for a guy who played less than 10 games in the last 3 years? That has to be the worst case of mismanagement or risk-taking I would have ever seen. I trust the club and I know they won't be stupid enough to do such a thing.

Can't you see that you are assuming the absolute best case scenario happens if we don't get Daniher and the worst case scenario if we do get him?

What kind of way is that to look at things?

 

[Brett C]

Can't you see that you are assuming the absolute best case scenario happens if we don't get Daniher and the worst case scenario if we do get him?

What kind of way is that to look at things?

I’m actually assuming nothing at all but okay.