List Mgmt. Morning, Joe! (was The Daniher (Probably Mega-)thread)

[pod17]

Daniher to us will get done without much resistance I would have thought. Yes, Dodoro played hardball last year, but not being contracted totally changes the situation. Can you think of a recent example where an uncontracted player doesn't get to their club of choice? There would be very few examples. Even Ablett who was the Suns best player in 2017 - and contracted - got his wish to go back to Geelong despite Cochrane stating he would finish his career there.

Daniher has had issues for at least a year now. Best for the Bombers to take something that is fair value - they won't be getting overs - and focus on a cultural (and potentially list) rebuild.

 

[3KZ is Football]

How about the Joe the lion made of iron mega thread

I posted that song earlier. Great Bowie track.

 

[moncon]

Bonus points for kicking Carlisle in the back.

Can we all refer to that player as “Belinda” from now on? (Been on my mind to ask that question for a long time.)

 

[Bird Man]

hope you guys give him a wage for what he is worth. A contract that has bonuses for the number of games played and goals kicked. I wouldn't look at Godard's comments on his rehab and scoff but be wary. Tall players are always a nightmare with injury

 

[pulpdriver]

hope you guys give him a wage for what he is worth. A contract that has bonuses for the number of games played and goals kicked. I wouldn't look at Godard's comments on his rehab and scoff but be wary. Tall players are always a nightmare with injury

Seems like we'll giving him a handsome wage and a very good one provided he performs. Pretty sensible.

 

[Bird Man]

Seems like we'll giving him a handsome wage and a very good one provided he performs. Pretty sensible.

He has played 18 games in three years and a poor attitude to rehab ... a handsome wage would have me nervous

 

[pulpdriver]

He has played 18 games in three years and a poor attitude to rehab ... a handsome wage would have me nervous

We've seen what he can do when in a good place: legitimately a top 3 forward. If his issues are related to injuries and attitude then it may just be environmental. Essendon's approach to his injuries were widely publicised and criticised and it seems like Essendon hasn't been a very positive environment. We have a decent conditioning crew and our coach has an ethos about focusing on strengths and getting players to enjoy footy. I'm quite content with us offering him a handsome wage and backing us to get to the best out of him.

 

[jjami15]

It’s interesting to hear the medjia experts come out state what we should do. Like others, having to deal with Dodo makes me concerned but then I think the club is bigger than any player. Yes, we have made an offer to Daniher but it’s not like we have pried him out of Essendon and made him break his contract. He has given his 8yrs to that club and yes the last three have been injury riddled and therefore is a RFA. I hope we stick with our offer and if Dodo says they will match it then they can keep him. We are in no position to have to bow down to anyone. No other club has matched an offer before and if Essendon want to do as a position of posturing then best of luck to them. It is also an indicator and a reflection of the position where that club currently is.

 

[dlanod]

Can you explain what/who the coteries are, and why they have strong influence on Essendon. Cheers

Official AFL Website of the Essendon Football Club

The official AFL website of the Essendon Football Club

www.essendonfc.com.au

Basically they're super-exclusive fan clubs that cost $$$ to join, and put significant $$$ into the club.

We have similar - https://www.lions.com.au/victoria/supporter-groups.

However at some clubs they have real pull (Carlton is in a similar situation) because we're talking literally millions of dollars going into the club, so if they don't like something (or do) it's given serious weight. IIRC it's part of the reason Hird was appointed down there, and also part of the reason he's never really been ruled out of returning.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

AFL Trade Whispers: Carlton reportedly after ANOTHER star, this time from their biggest rival

Trade Whispers: Carlton chasing ANOTHER star, this time from their biggest rival

www.foxsports.com.au

Robbo is excited to see Daniher choose Brisbane.

 

[LionKing]

A key forward who can also play in the ruck.........definitely worth the risk!

 

[jackess]

I think if we get him there's no reason he can't play on a similar level to Hawkins or Dixon. Might never be top 5 in the coleman or All Australian but if we get him playing he'll make a big improvement in our team.

Won't put a lot of pressure or do the 1 percenters but hopefully this will be offset by him winning contests and drawing players towards him.

 

[Viceregal]

Won't put a lot of pressure or do the 1 percenters but hopefully this will be offset by him winning contests and drawing players towards him.

*wonders how much Hipwood would enjoy playing on the second defender rather than the first*

 

[Nunez]

I think if we get him there's no reason he can't play on a similar level to Hawkins or Dixon. Might never be top 5 in the coleman or All Australian but if we get him playing he'll make a big improvement in our team.

Won't put a lot of pressure or do the 1 percenters but hopefully this will be offset by him winning contests and drawing players towards him.

I'd place a bet that one of Daniher or Hipwood will be top five in the Coleman in 2021 if both are fit.

 

[jackess]

I'd place a bet that one of Daniher or Hipwood will be top five in the Coleman in 2021 if both are fit.

I'm not sure betting agencies take bets with conditions like that

I'll put $50 on Richmond winning tonight if they all have a good night sleep the night before

 

[Nuggo]

Yeah, nasty nasty forward line if this comes off

 

[HirdsTheWord]

hope you guys give him a wage for what he is worth. A contract that has bonuses for the number of games played and goals kicked. I wouldn't look at Godard's comments on his rehab and scoff but be wary. Tall players are always a nightmare with injury

Essendon has already done the work on the Rehab, He is generally back to fit and healthy we were just super cautious and rested him throughout the last few games, Lions just have to take over and manage him throughout his contract. Hopefully he can get back to playing 20+ games a season.

I think its a good get for the Lions, very sad to see him go but you cant begrudge him for wanting to get out of Melbourne. I'm just glad he didn't go to another Melbourne club.

Very happy for Lions supporters who have had to deal with their last 15 years of dog shit and are finally getting back to some success..........Hopefully we can do the same........soon enough......

 

[Nunez]

I'm not sure betting agencies take bets with conditions like that

I'll put $50 on Richmond winning tonight if they all have a good night sleep the night before

I was obviously talking hypothetically

 

[Brett C]

AFL Trade Whispers: Carlton reportedly after ANOTHER star, this time from their biggest rival

Trade Whispers: Carlton chasing ANOTHER star, this time from their biggest rival

www.foxsports.com.au

Robbo is excited to see Daniher choose Brisbane.

Was that sober or drunk Robbo? On 360 the other night he could barely string a sentence together, I know that's not unusual but this was peak incoherent Robbo. How he is chief footy writer at the HS and manages to front a TV show is beyond me.

Editted - didn't read the article and assumed it was journo Robbo not Mitch.

 

[jackess]

Was that sober or drunk Robbo? On 360 the other night he could barely string a sentence together, I know that's not unusual but this was peak incoherent Robbo. How he is chief footy writer at the HS and manages to front a TV show is beyond me.

Mitch Robbo. Hopefully sober

 

[John_Proctor]

the posts from BrunoV are a bit concerning to me. He "rushed back and looked fit" for a few weeks and then broke down quickly... makes you wonder how committed he is to doing the 1%'s with his own body to get it right... Seems like he personally (as much as Essendon pushing him) was trying to do a 3 week pre-season the last 3 years and it hasn't worked out.

Regardless at his best he's a class above our forwards, even accounting for further growth from Hipwood and its great he's committed to us and being in the premiership window to add a potential AA forward to our list even given the risks is worth it IMO. Fingers crossed he is committed in his own work ethic to turn his situation around.

I've been surprised to see on twitter the amount of discussion about the impact this will have on Hipwood and McStay in particular and the potential for Mcstay in particular to want to leave.

We play with 3 tall forwards, Martin is close to retirement and Big O has shown this year he is ready to play first ruck. That means Daniher/Hipwood/McStay could be the 3 tall forwards. Probably McStay would do back up ruck (to protect Daniher physically) but Daniher could do bits of it.

If that doesn't work out then McStay would probably be our first choice 3rd tall defender ahead of Lester and Adams... Adams injuries haven't gone away (note of caution re: Daniher) and he is 27 so you'd have to think will struggle to make it back as more than backup now.

Teams in premiership contention don't let someone like McStay leave who is almost certainly best 22 or at worst is "23rd man" playing lots of games covering injuries/rests/suspensions. I feel the same about Witherden although I think Witherden may be more inclined to leave given he has been on the outer most of this year.

In terms of trade scenarios IF Dodoro matches. Why give up much more than one of our two first round picks. eg. maybe Pick 19 and 38. or maybe Witherden (if he wanted to leave) and pick 38.

 

[John_Proctor]

Also my bombers friends are all of a mind to "let him go," accept the compensation draft pick (even if its Pick 20) and move on.

 

[cheekyLionsFan]

Also my bombers friends are all of a mind to "let him go," accept the compensation draft pick (even if its Pick 20) and move on.

Like how it felt with Beams in the end.

 

[60sbomber]

I am amazed at all the conjecture about matching and a trade. It seems like the simplest of deals to me.
I'm not convinced Brisbane is all that keen on Joe to be honest (I am surprised they are). But let's assume they are.
Surely it would be looking a gift horse in the mouth for both clubs to ignore the free gift of a compensation pick, which is what makes the deal viable.
If you take away the compensation pick (by matching), it is very hard to see a trade that satisfies both clubs.
Brisbane, rightly, see a big risk, and also a huge potential reward if Daniher is right to go. Thus the incentive based contract offer.
Essendon is losing their franchise player, who they have built their list around, and who despite the last 3 yrs of bad attitude and injury, is finally right, and still, at 26yo, is capable of being the most dominant KP forward in the comp. They rightly want a return that in some way reflects his value.
Whether you think Dodoro is hard to deal with or not, a pick around 23 is just not enough.
You could take the view that if the AFL free agency compo comes up at band 2 (end of rd 1) then that is what is fair.
Except that Brisbane's fixed salary component does not reflect their assessment of his value, but is just a built in safeguard for risk. Their true value of his worth is the base plus incentives (which the AFL compo system ignores, for good reason, to prevent rorting of the system with artificial offers).
If Brisbane stick to an offer that only generates band 2 compo, Dodoro is extremely likely to match. And if he does, the only way a deal gets done is if Brisbane offer a 1st + something (Witherden, a future 2nd, whatever).
Why would Brisbane want to give up a (late) first round pick plus something, when they can get Daniher for free, simply by converting about $100k of incentive into base contract?
Sure it adds a bit of risk, but the bulk of the risk is in offering him $650 (or so) in the first place. If they want him, surely another $100k converted from incentive to base is a small price to pay, and much better than giving up draft picks or players.
The only way that this shouldn't play out that way is if Brisbane is not really that keen and doesn't mind missing out altogether (which I think is possible).

 

[Milux]

hope you guys give him a wage for what he is worth. A contract that has bonuses for the number of games played and goals kicked. I wouldn't look at Godard's comments on his rehab and scoff but be wary. Tall players are always a nightmare with injury

We might finally have a forward line to match yours. Maybe.