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Jeremy Howe. He's good for sure, takes a great grab, but the Vic media piss their pants about him. I just dont see it
Most overrated player in the AFL currently?
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Marcus Bontempelli is a great player for sure, but calling him the best Bulldog of all time like some Journos do is a stretch imo.
Daicos & Butters can't escape criticism no matter how good they play yet Bont seems to get praised just for breathing
Daicos & Butters can't escape criticism no matter how good they play yet Bont seems to get praised just for breathing
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Give it time and it'll go the other way.
As Partridge mentioned, the commentators will jump on when it's too late.
Not saying this will happen btw, but let's just say Butters wins the Brownlow, and then has a couple of poor years....he'll still be regarded as a superstar by Luke Darcy, JB etc.
Same goes for Daicos, or any of the younger talents.
It's any endless cycle of being behind on what's actually happening, because the reality is most of them just don't pay attention.
And to be fair, if I was on $500k and had no threat of losing my job regardless of performance, I probably wouldn't care either.
The media (particularly 7) has been like this for years. It's just a boys club at the end of the day.
There's also the flip side. Every team would have absolute guns that they just don't notice until their team wins a flag, then they get mentioned. Frequently like they've never had a good year before.
For examples, I can think of Enright and Scarlett for Geelong, Rance and Grimes for Richmond, and so on. I would argue Scarlett and Rance were probably at their peak before they won flags. Still great for a while afterwards too.
I should of clarified this - when compared to the likes of Darren Jarman, Nathan Buckley, Albett Junior, etc ... think you'd agree, his kicking isn't on the level of these guys.
I haven't heard anyone critiscise Daicos.
If you take a quick search on YouTube, a recent video from SEN is asking the question 'greatest ever?'
That's what you call overrated because as good as he's looked, such talk is premature.
Exactly. so many people in this thread not understanding that saying someone is overrated doesnt necessarily mean they are not a good or solid player.
A lot of the time, it just means a player has been hyped up incessantly after a good game or 2 or they are living of past glories.
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You only need to look at Instagram & Facebook comment sections to see waves of nuffies claiming that he's overrated and calling him a "uncontested kick-in guru" which is obviously a load of bs and any half wit would agree that he's a gun, but that hasn't stopped people from coming out at him.
Bont on the other hand doesn't get nitpicked in the same way, even the lowly comment section flogs like to lick his boots.
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Taranto easily.
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Still has plenty of time left in his career.
A Brownlow or a Premiership medallion as skipper would absolutely confirm it for mine.
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No. You draft best available talent; anything else is terrible list management. For example, a combination of Amiss and Lewis would be a pretty sweet combination in four years time. Not to mention Soligo as a midfielder would have been a better pick-up. Instead, you have a guy who’s a glorified hole-plugger. Hopefully, you can look forward to a two year purple patch once he reaches his mid-twenties like Scully had at GWS. It won’t be game-breaking form, but you’ll hang your hat on it and tell yourself “what great drafting!” All the while Soligo’s tearing opposition teams apart for the Crows, Hobbs turns into the next Cunnington for the Bombers, and Amiss is kicking 6-goal hauls for Fremantle. But hey, you have a great role-player!
I am not saying he is a wasted draft pick; I am saying his player type is overrated. In any case, at least I have an actual opinion. You haven’t committed to anything either way; speaks volumes of your disingenuous stance on the matter.
So if you take issue with my opinion, I don’t care. You don’t even have one. You add nothing.
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It would be remiss of us not to mention Isaac Heeney after tonight's debacle.
He sure didn't look like an All Australian forward the way he was spraying his kicks for goal.
People have hyped him up for his entire career.
Talented. Athletic. "Looks good". Does the occasional awesome bit of play and plays one or two blinders per season.
Overrated.
He sure didn't look like an All Australian forward the way he was spraying his kicks for goal.
People have hyped him up for his entire career.
Talented. Athletic. "Looks good". Does the occasional awesome bit of play and plays one or two blinders per season.
Overrated.
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Toranto is easily the most over rated player going around atm. Richmond supporters must tear their hair out watching him. He reminds me of when Toby Green was playing midfield as an 18 year old and racking up 30 touches a game but GWS ended up having to move him forward because his field kicking was so poor.
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Dont know if you're a good judge of a player if you can't even get his name right
Absolutely
Over rated means I think they are very good and 7/10.
Media jerk off and pretend they are 9/10
That's over rated.
I tend to agree with this… back in those days key forwards were the big honchos kicking tons…. And you needed an equally impressive FB to go toe to toe with them to quell the influence.
These days you can have a reject like zurk thatcher or a Zac Dawson spud keep a top FF goalless due to team defense… it’s all about team defense these days.
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For sure.
He's good looking and the Swans see him as a marketing tool for NSW because he's from Maitland
But in reality he averages 23 goals per season and plays as a full time fwd.
So absolutely over paid and over rated on actual output.
Heeney's record is not to be sneezed at. He is below the absolute top players but 17.5 disposals, 8 contested possessions, 1.8 goals + goal assists and 4 tackles, 16 pressure acts and 2 clearances, 35% offensive 1 v 1 contest wins on average across his career is very tidy.
Not sure what Heeney is getting paid, but to me that is worth $600-650k pa at least.
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No. You draft best available talent; anything else is terrible list management. For example, a combination of Amiss and Lewis would be a pretty sweet combination in four years time. Not to mention Soligo as a midfielder would have been a better pick-up. Instead, you have a guy who’s a glorified hole-plugger. Hopefully, you can look forward to a two year purple patch once he reaches his mid-twenties like Scully had at GWS. It won’t be game-breaking form, but you’ll hang your hat on it and tell yourself “what great drafting!” All the while Soligo’s tearing opposition teams apart for the Crows, Hobbs turns into the next Cunnington for the Bombers, and Amiss is kicking 6-goal hauls for Fremantle. But hey, you have a great role-player!
This is some strange trolling. Josh Ward seems so likeable. What has he done to you in your personal life?
Go and look at any phantom draft from that year. Ward was always going go to be a top 10 selection. Richmond were said to be very keen at the pick straight after ours if he was available (they took Gibcus).
He's a two way running machine who can find the footy with ease. The hope is that he becomes a player with the combination of traits of Zach Merrett, Sam Walsh and peak Andrew Gaff. He's 19 years old and has played 21 games.
Even if he didn't play for Hawthorn I'd find your comments ridiculous.
Let's talk about it again in 3-5 years time.
Max averages three goals a game
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OK. But the other one.
Gonna be interesting if Ben moves to the Pies.
Kobe Gryant
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If he was a better footballer, he'd be the prototype of who the AFL want as their golden boy.
Handsome, well spoken, and from an area they're trying to grow the game in.
Even now they're still trying to push it. There was a segment on SEN a while back and Garry Lyon was asked who he sees as the next face of the AFL, and due to the aforementioned reasons, he said Heeney.
I can understand it, and as much as we don't want to admit it, football is still a business, and they're trying to bring in growth and profit.
It does feel forced though, and if you weren't a keen footy watcher and just saw Heeney on all the advertisements like he is right now...you'd assume he's the best player in the comp, when in reality, he's not even the best blonde haired Swans player.
Being a smaller league, we are in a tough spot. We don't have a Ronaldo, Lebron, Brady etc that is marketable, and so clearly head and shoulders above his contemporaries.
You can be the best player in the league here, and not in the top 10 the following year. We jump off too quickly, and it makes it pretty hard to have a true face of our game.
Who do we think it would be right now? Oliver? Daicos? Butters? It's just not the same.
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