Most overrated player in the AFL currently?

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Corn Cobbers said:
Kelly was a disastrous trade, they gave up too much, but he is actually having a really good season under atrocious circumstances and should be B and F easily.
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Just dont feel like half a good season is enough for him to move out from the over-rated category. i mean he hasnt got much competiton within the Eagles squad so youd hope he would show something.
 

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Yoda_ said:
Genuinely serious but a Jack Riewoldt is right up
There.

The premierships mask the fact he is an average forward who kicks large chunks of his yearly goeala when the game is NOT on the line.

I used the metric of 18 point difference and something like 65% of his goals are junk time goals.


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Show us your analysis, and then show us how it compares to other players.

Can only imagine that Lockett kicked a heap of his 1300+ goals when the Saints were down by 10+ goals, or Dunstall when the Hawks were up by 10+ goals. What chumps.
 
Yoda_ said:
You’re entitled to your’e opinion, I’m entitled to mine. Agree or not I will stick to my guns.

Richmond supporters rave about him as one of the all time greats. Wouldn’t even be in the top 10 key forwards of all time.
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Geez, you went out on a limb there saying that forward who has kicked the 13th most goals all time isn’t a top 10 forward of all time. And that’s not even considering players like Coleman, Hudson, Carey,…
 
Superstar swan said:
Sam walsh. Yea he works hard but thats it. Gets so much of his ball behind centre , rarely kicks goals , rarely penetrative with his kicking.

Reached his ceiling very quickly, just so happens it's a relatively low ceiling
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Walsh has dropped off in impact under Voss; a casualty of an excessive team focus on defensive structure, rather than letting him play to his strength, which is reading the play and running to be in position to influence the game.

that said, the phrase 'getting too much ball behind centre, rarely kicking goals, rarely pentrative with their kicking' could apply to literally the whole Carlton team in 2023, and it seems to have been by design.

Walsh got 30 Brownlow votes while playing a lot more attacking and dangerous footy two years ago. Since then a change in coach, a couple of injuries, perhaps a bit of form and confidence... he's still only 22. I think labelling a bloke who is putting up nearly 30 touches per game at 73% efficiency while in a form slump as a 'low ceiling' seems weird. Low floor perhaps?
 

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Rich01 said:
Looked amazingly good with Gawn in preseason games. I think he will end up returning for the Dees when the whips are cracking this year.

Cost them little in trade and the pies are still paying a good portion of his salary.
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A ‘good portion’ you mean about $150k-$200k of $900k.
 
Yoda_ said:
Genuinely serious but a Jack Riewoldt is right up
There.

The premierships mask the fact he is an average forward who kicks large chunks of his yearly goeala when the game is NOT on the line.

I used the metric of 18 point difference and something like 65% of his goals are junk time goals.


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He has done it as a young player, an old player, in teams with 0 other targets, in teams with a major other target, in good teams giving good supply and bad teams giving bad supply.

Every forward in history has benefitted from scoring when the game is decided because the first pressure valve that gets released is the intensity of the player that would otherwise wear a key forward like a glove.

There have certainly been better players than Jack but he is still one of the modern greats
 
The Cryptkeeper said:
Josh Ward has played 21 games FFS. Nobody rates him, let alone overrates him at this time. He's a promising kid and that is all.
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I was saying Andrew McGrath is overrated. Josh Ward and Andrew McGrath are practically the same type of player; hard-running, vanilla players whose teams have wasted high draft capital on (basically, a top ten draft pick is used on a player a smidge better than Harry Morrison in all likelihood, maybe another Scully at best). Although calling Josh Ward ‘promising’ is overrating him IMHO.

Case in point: who would you rather, Andrew McGrath or Tim Taranto? Josh Ward or Connor Macdonald? Tom Scully or Dustin Martin?

Just giving you an idea how overrated these players are (by the afl and list managers) by comparing who was drafted and what came after them. And how long it’s been going on for (choosing Scully over Martin is like choosing Tambling over Buddy).
 
Nuggets73 said:
Arguably the best athlete I’ve seen play the game, but his disposal lets him down
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I spoke to someone about this in another thread recently. I don’t think his disposal is much worse than anyone else on a consistency basis of getting the ball to its intended target but when he misses he misses badly so it probably makes him look a whole lot less effective
 
jackenny said:
I was saying Andrew McGrath is overrated. Josh Ward and Andrew McGrath are practically the same type of player; hard-running, vanilla players whose teams have wasted high draft capital on (basically, a top ten draft pick is used on a player a smidge better than Harry Morrison in all likelihood, maybe another Scully at best). Although calling Josh Ward ‘promising’ is overrating him IMHO.

Case in point: who would you rather, Andrew McGrath or Tim Taranto? Josh Ward or Connor Macdonald? Tom Scully or Dustin Martin?

Just giving you an idea how overrated these players are (by the afl and list managers) by comparing who was drafted and what came after them. And how long it’s been going on for (choosing Scully over Martin is like choosing Tambling over Buddy).
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Who else would you have suggested Hawthorn take at Wards pick in that 2021 draft?

Remember, at that point in time Newcombe was a speculative rookie, Day as a midfielder was wishful thinking, Nash was still on a forward flank and we had nothing but Finn Maginness as midfield depth playing in the VFL.

We HAD to take the best available midfielder.
 
jackenny said:
I was saying Andrew McGrath is overrated. Josh Ward and Andrew McGrath are practically the same type of player; hard-running, vanilla players whose teams have wasted high draft capital on (basically, a top ten draft pick is used on a player a smidge better than Harry Morrison in all likelihood, maybe another Scully at best). Although calling Josh Ward ‘promising’ is overrating him IMHO.

Case in point: who would you rather, Andrew McGrath or Tim Taranto? Josh Ward or Connor Macdonald? Tom Scully or Dustin Martin?

Just giving you an idea how overrated these players are (by the afl and list managers) by comparing who was drafted and what came after them. And how long it’s been going on for (choosing Scully over Martin is like choosing Tambling over Buddy).
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Only you don’t know that Josh Ward is a “hard running vanilla player” after 21 games. And you have no idea, not a single clue as to whether he is a wasted draft pick or not.

That is my issue with your post.
 
Charlie Dixon, Patrick Cripps and Sam Walsh
 
PhatBoy said:
He has done it as a young player, an old player, in teams with 0 other targets, in teams with a major other target, in good teams giving good supply and bad teams giving bad supply.

Every forward in history has benefitted from scoring when the game is decided because the first pressure valve that gets released is the intensity of the player that would otherwise wear a key forward like a glove.

There have certainly been better players than Jack but he is still one of the modern greats
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I'm convinced with Riewoldt a lot of fans decided early on they didn't like him and that perception has stuck.

Every team would kill to have a key forward with his consistency, durability, and longevity. He's definitely declined but has been crafty enough to kick 4 twice and 5 once this season. In tight games too.
 
jackenny said:
I was saying Andrew McGrath is overrated. Josh Ward and Andrew McGrath are practically the same type of player; hard-running, vanilla players whose teams have wasted high draft capital on (basically, a top ten draft pick is used on a player a smidge better than Harry Morrison in all likelihood, maybe another Scully at best). Although calling Josh Ward ‘promising’ is overrating him IMHO.

Case in point: who would you rather, Andrew McGrath or Tim Taranto? Josh Ward or Connor Macdonald? Tom Scully or Dustin Martin?

Just giving you an idea how overrated these players are (by the afl and list managers) by comparing who was drafted and what came after them. And how long it’s been going on for (choosing Scully over Martin is like choosing Tambling over Buddy).
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Not sure how McGrath is overrated when no one seems to rate him. He's probably underrated if anything. He probably wasn't worth the no. 1 pick but he's a good small defender and definitely a lot better than Tambling.
 
I think Max King is (slightly) overrated by Saints supporters and the media. Not a lot btw, just a little bit.
 

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