Most overrated player in the AFL currently?

[theyellowsash]

Think poster meant Tim Kelly

If Tim Kelly is on $1m then both Kelly's are overrated. I'd probably take tim over Josh though.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

This is a bit silly, well actually it's completely f***ing stupid.

You do realize that stopping the other team from scoring is a pretty decent net gain for the team right? Gawn floating down back clogging up space and taking contested grabs stopping the opposition attack has been vital for Melbourne.

Also Goldstein is tied 29th for total score involvements this season, literally the only reason North don't end up 0.0.0 every game.

A ruck can only do so much, they win the hitout to advantage and the midfield and forwards have to do the rest and look at Melbourne for example up until two weeks ago they had every opportunity under the sun to hit the scoreboard after Gawn's hitouts but they flu

Total throws out the stats, miss a game and you drop significantly. Average is the way to go to measure average output... Remove the players who have played less than 5 games from average stats and Goldstein's 61st. 65th for Grundy. 91st for Gawn.

As for intercept possessions, Gawn is great at about 50th in the competition, Goldstein and Grundy are about 220th.

Goldstein the only one that's offering more than goal every two games and Grundy the only one that's giving an assists every two games.

Didn't say they weren't great players, just that they don't deserve to be in the conversation for the best players in the competition like they routinely are.

 

[Great8]

Marlion Pickett. The way the commentators fawn over him is sickening. We all know he kicked a goal in the GF and don’t need to be reminded of it whenever he gets a touch

 

[Dez!]

Total throws out the stats, miss a game and you drop significantly. Average is the way to go to measure average output... Remove the players who have played less than 5 games from average stats and Goldstein's 61st. 65th for Grundy. 91st for Gawn.

As for intercept possessions, Gawn is great at about 50th in the competition, Goldstein and Grundy are about 220th.

Goldstein the only one that's offering more than goal every two games and Grundy the only one that's giving an assists every two games.

Didn't say they weren't great players, just that they don't deserve to be in the conversation for the best players in the competition like they routinely are.

Averages over a 7 game sample size also throw out the stats given that it only takes one bad game or one good game to do the same thing.

You're trying to boil down impact to single stats and it's just not logical or correct to do so.

 

[W.C. Fry]

yep, Gaff was one of the first players I thought of.

Gaff doesn't get tagged, but you are only mentioning him due to an incident against someone tagging him?

 

[Gavin Excell]

If Tim Kelly is on $1m then both Kelly's are overrated. I'd probably take tim over Josh though.

Was reported when went to the Eagles the deal was $5m over 6 years

 

[Luv_our_club]

Rankine is lightning, ran a 2.93 at draft camp which probably puts him in the top 10 in the afl. Might just be a little weary of his hammy atm but he’ll turn the jets on once he’s comfortable with his body

Interesting excuses, one could say.

The draft camp and time trials have been around for over a decade now. Surely we are about to call the "times" next to useless in predicting elite athletic ability on the footy field. Running in the gym rarely predicts athletic ability on grass against competition. It rarely translates.

 

[Damon_3388]

Interesting excuses, one could say.

The draft camp and time trials have been around for over a decade now. Surely we are about to call the "times" next to useless in predicting elite athletic ability on the footy field. Running in the gym rarely predicts athletic ability on the footy field. It rarely translates.

This.

It's not the NFL, where players run set routes and formations every play, and every play has a set start and end point. Footy is 360 degrees and continuous.

I'd be more interested and impressed by the agility drill numbers, and how people quick players are in non-straight line situations.

Ultimately, quickness and accuracy of decision making and then skill execution is still king, but that's harder to measure outside of game situations with real pressure.

 

[Luv_our_club]

This.

It's not the NFL, where players run set routes and formations every play, and every play has a set start and end point. Footy is 360 degrees and continuous.

I'd be more interested and impressed by the agility drill numbers, and how people quick players are in non-straight line situations.

Ultimately, quickness and accuracy of decision making and then skill execution is still king, but that's harder to measure outside of game situations with real pressure.

Of course there are exceptions - some players dominate time trials and it shows when they play. But most often it doesn't show.

The AFL seem disinterested in developing tests that translate to the footy field. The draft camp is a low bar - something to jump to prove you can compete against elite athletes, and something for the media to report on.

 

[Burtman]

Interesting excuses, one could say.

The draft camp and time trials have been around for over a decade now. Surely we are about to call the "times" next to useless in predicting elite athletic ability on the footy field. Running in the gym rarely predicts athletic ability on grass against competition. It rarely translates.

Did you watch Rankine in the under 18’s? He’s lightning. One of the best athletes and probably the most talented kid to come through the pathway in the last decade. I’m sure by the end of this year you won’t think he’s slow

 

[GroggSquad]

What about Patrick Cripps? Are the media going to talk about how awful he’s been yet? Or is Fyfe the only star that is allowed to be criticised?

Cripps had a chance to establish himself as the game’s greatest player and has completely bombed. He is this season’s biggest disappointment.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

What about Patrick Cripps? Are the media going to talk about how awful he’s been yet? Or is Fyfe the only star that is allowed to be criticised?

Cripps had a chance to establish himself as the game’s greatest player and has completely bombed. He is this season’s biggest disappointment.

good luck playing with this attention every stoppage

 

[Grrr]

good luck playing with this attention every stoppage

Every day. The North player wasn't even looking at the play and was blocked off the ball. Imagine if a full back could do that to a full forward, or it happened in the ruck. Blight on the game.

 

[PAFC_1870]

It takes one moron to mention someone like Cripps, Gray, Fyfe or Dusty, then another to respond with the opposition's best....

Does anyone actually expect any better?

 

[Dez!]

It takes one moron to mention someone like Cripps, Gray, Fyfe or Dusty, then another to respond with the opposition's best....

Does anyone actually expect any better?

You do know it's possible to be good but overrated right?

 

[PAFC_1870]

You do know it's possible to be good but overrated right?

I know that listing Cripps, Dusty, Gray and Fyfe is absolute stupidity.

 

[BBC1967]

Marlion Pickett. The way the commentators fawn over him is sickening. We all know he kicked a goal in the GF and don’t need to be reminded of it whenever he gets a touch

He has played a handful of games and is doing his job. Have a look at some of your underperforming spuds before potting a premiership player.

 

[Dez!]

I know that listing Cripps, Dusty, Gray and Fyfe is absolute stupidity.

Disagree with that.

There are aspects of those players that's absolutely overrated.

Patrick Cripps the midfielder is great but the constant fawning over him being a resting forward target because of his size is ridiculous, he'd need to improve a bit to even be an average forward target.

Dustin Martin's "ability" to use his strength to fend off opponents is greatly exaggerated (also illegal), many players would be able to fend off opponents like he can if they were allowed to push off by the throat/face like he is.

 

[Great8]

He has played a handful of games and is doing his job. Have a look at some of your underperforming spuds before potting a premiership player.

I do pot our players repeatedly but Pickett has won the lotto landing at Richmond.

 

[cherrypie]

Patrick Cripps the midfielder is great but the constant fawning over him being a resting forward target because of his size is ridiculous, he'd need to improve a bit to even be an average forward target

I agree with this. If you compare Cripps (0.47 goals per game) against Dangerfield (1.13), Martin (1.11), Bont (0.89) etc he doesn't hold up.

Even if you compare him to his teammates it's nothing special. Murphy (0.68), Cunningham (0.53), Fisher (0.38) and Walsh (0.28).

 

[BBC1967]

I do pot our players repeatedly but Pickett has won the lotto landing at Richmond.

And good luck to him he has done as well as can be expected.

 

[RUNVS]

I'd say Fyfe. Hasn't really done much in the last few years. He just doesn't seem to be able to impact games like he once did, even though he is not that old.

 

[BBC1967]

Disagree with that.

There are aspects of those players that's absolutely overrated.

Patrick Cripps the midfielder is great but the constant fawning over him being a resting forward target because of his size is ridiculous, he'd need to improve a bit to even be an average forward target.

Dustin Martin's "ability" to use his strength to fend off opponents is greatly exaggerated (also illegal), many players would be able to fend off opponents like he can if they were allowed to push off by the throat/face like he is.

Illegal? Many try to emulate but fail miserably. Hasn’t stopped him winning a Brownlow and Two Norm Smith medals. Read it. and weep Petracca Scully and Trengove. What could have been hey?

 

[woota]

Yeah, his 2020 has been mostly crap but he's been playing Injured and it's only 6 games.

In 2018 and 2019 he was pretty crap for most of the season, just like he has been this year, yet the commentators still talk him up like he's playing a blinder every time he gets near the ball. On Friday night's game against GWS, Dusty's first half was an absolute shocker but Bruce McAvaney still chimes in at half time with "Dusty's been good!"

The excuse I see from Richmond supporters every time he has a bad game is "he's injured", or "he's carrying something". If he's injured then why don't they rest him and give him a chance to recover properly so he can get back to his best form? Is Dustin Martin the one player in the league who plays perpetually injured because they can't afford him to miss one or two games for the sake of getting him right? It makes no sense. He literally has the highest turnover rate in the AFL and people still talk about him like he's one of the best players in the league. He's the defintion of overrated.

 

[masai]

I'd say Fyfe. Hasn't really done much in the last few years. He just doesn't seem to be able to impact games like he once did, even though he is not that old.

You’re a hard judge.

Hasn’t done much in the last few years, ......... um reigning Brownlow Medallist.