Training Nakia Cockatoo

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Pardon the intrusion but do you think there was some slight negligence from the match committee by picking him to play first up at docklands? That stadium is an absolute joke, the concrete grass is bad enough and the astro stuff around the outside is abysmal. I don't think it's any coincidence that there have been a number of off the bone hamstring injuries suffered there over the years.

As a Hawks fan I'm hoping if O'Meara plays any footy this year it's at vfl level- Our final 2 games are at docklands and given his history the rock hard surface with f#ck all traction is far from ideal
 

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Vdubs said:
That is exactly the truth. Anybody who says we rush our players back recurrently is incorrect.
They would have monitored his progress with strength tests, MRI scans, and progressive speed and endurance sessions. He would have ticked every box.
It has to be remembered that hamstring injuries continue to be the #1 reason for games missed.
They are common, frustrating and the most difficult injury to manage. Maybe the old man's calf tears are just as frustrating.
We do NOT KNOW the exact nature of his original injury or the recurrence, but I really believe our medical team deserves better than the derision thrown its way by retrospective opinions.
Some players are in the unlucky bracket, and there may be a biomechanical or a spinal cause underlying all this- if there is, these guys will find it out.
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Spot on VD,
something a few on here fail to realise is that its not at all in the best interests of the club to have such an exciting player on the sidelines.
In fact his previous injury was on the minor scale and they still took 4-5 weeks to brig him back after intensive conditioning and testing. I suspect they are still trying to clearly substantiate the underlying issue.
The fact that he got reinjured when not at full stretch indicates he may well have done the same thing even at a lower level.
its frustrating but we have good/great medical staff who are much closer to this than anyone judging from behind a keyboard
 
StillAtLarge said:
Pardon the intrusion but do you think there was some slight negligence from the match committee by picking him to play first up at docklands?
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Nope - Cockatoo was reportedly ready to go against Brisbane but we held him back a couple of extra weeks.

He reportedly ran faster at training this week than he does during a match, no issues reported.

So sad for the kid because the glimpses he shows are breathtaking - last night was probably the closest he's come to a four-quarter performance and he got injured in the last.
 
StillAtLarge said:
Pardon the intrusion but do you think there was some slight negligence from the match committee by picking him to play first up at docklands? That stadium is an absolute joke, the concrete grass is bad enough and the astro stuff around the outside is abysmal. I don't think it's any coincidence that there have been a number of off the bone hamstring injuries suffered there over the years.

As a Hawks fan I'm hoping if O'Meara plays any footy this year it's at vfl level- Our final 2 games are at docklands and given his history the rock hard surface with f#ck all traction is far from ideal
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There is debate on how bad the surface is... some measurement devices have other grounds as harder..but the feedback from players say they pull up much sorer.. The meshing of the grass on recently laid surface can have affects as well. Tradition ground like in Tassy and at KP must be better.
Personally I think the players should be voicing concern about the cheapskate astro turf rubbish that is on the boundary. I maintain ist dangerous and far too slippery and hard.
 
Badtemperedbadger said:
Well they probably do as they work with him nearly every day.
Certainly would have a better idea than those who watch from afar and are not even sport medicos despite the fact that he got re injured.

Frustrating but they hardly rushed him back, Rioli had similar issues as a youngster. Most likely a biomechanical issue that he is just as likely to injure whether playing VFL or AFL.

They are probably working on that along with strengthening exercises as well.
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He should have been brought back through the VFL mate. Lower intensity means less fatigue, less fatigue means a lower risk of a soft tissue injury. I wouldn't have thought it was that hard to work out.

It doesn't mean that there is no risk when he finally returns to playing AFL footy but it's about mitigating the risk as much as you possibly can. The club has now failed at this a number of times concerning Nakia.

The club should have given him 3 quarters or so in the VFL and then had him primed for the Sydney game which would have loaded him up gradually rather than taking him straight from training to AFL intensity in the one hit. It was negligent to say the least but I doubt either of us are going to change our minds on this one so we'll have to agree to disagree I suppose.
 
Vdubs said:
That is exactly the truth. Anybody who says we rush our players back recurrently is incorrect.
They would have monitored his progress with strength tests, MRI scans, and progressive speed and endurance sessions. He would have ticked every box.
It has to be remembered that hamstring injuries continue to be the #1 reason for games missed.
They are common, frustrating and the most difficult injury to manage. Maybe the old man's calf tears are just as frustrating.
We do NOT KNOW the exact nature of his original injury or the recurrence, but I really believe our medical team deserves better than the derision thrown its way by retrospective opinions.
Some players are in the unlucky bracket, and there may be a biomechanical or a spinal cause underlying all this- if there is, these guys will find it out.
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One does have to wonder..do they get to MRI the draft kids? Pretty sure he had issues well before drafting... and these occurrences can just kill your list management choices. If we keep pick players that break down as kids... should we be surprised that they do it again once drafted? Or is it something we are doing or not doing. How can Vardy go for years having a bad run playing 25 games ..then goes to West Coast and play 17 in one season.

Cockatoo is obviously talented .. do we just have to put up with this for another 4 years..by which time we will be frustrated enough to let him go to the Crows for P87? It seems to be something when he goes into top gear.. is it something sprint coaches can help with in their early 20's?
 
cats_09 said:
Dangerfield is on AFL Game Day on 7 (I think Hawkins on as a guest also) - Danger was just discussing Cockatoo's injury and said he doesn't know how long he will be out, but that in terms of his training/workload that Cockatoo has been in full training mode for 3 weeks and was running at 36km/h during this past week which is faster than players get up to during games.
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Is that only talking top speed , not how long it took to get to that speed.. It seems to me it more about acceleration rather than the top speed.
 

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Turbocat said:
Is that treatment still legal? Seems very Ess.

Is there some legit treatment that a doctor would use in another sport that would not be acceptable in afl.. steriods or etc?
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What do you mean "still" haha I don't think anyone has been injected with Max Rooke blood before ;)

But I have no idea to be honest.
 
Spazz Cat said:
Not a rant. Common sense would dictate that we would at least give him a half in the VFL. Results show we have not managed him well.
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Nope, we haven't managed him well at all. It's there in black and white for everyone to see if people choose to look hard enough.
 
Daniel McL said:
What do you mean "still" haha I don't think anyone has been injected with Max Rooke blood before ;)

But I have no idea to be honest.
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Still..as in it was legal when we did it... but the calve blood treatment that Rooke got in 09 is a little dodgy in light of the Ess era. I suspect it may be looked upon differently now.
 
Turbocat said:
Still..as in it was legal when we did it... but the calve blood treatment that Rooke got in 09 is a little dodgy in light of the Ess era. I suspect it may be looked upon differently now.
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I know exactly what you meant mate I've just been joking around aha :thumbsu:
 
you pick one said:
Need to look at his running posture it's very straight backed.
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Apologies for the intrusion but this was the first thing that came to my mind upon seeing his injury.

Cyril had to work on and change the entire mechanics behind his running to alleviate his issues. I wonder if the Cats fitness/medical team were possibly looking into something similar.
 
Turbocat said:
Is that treatment still legal? Seems very Ess.

Is there some legit treatment that a doctor would use in another sport that would not be acceptable in afl.. steriods or etc?
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At present, agents derived from the patients own blood- PRP (Platelet Rich Plasma)& Orthokine- are occasionally used in cases of bad tendon injuries. If he has a hamstring tendon injury, that might have been considered. Not banned.
But
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/49/14/943
More research needed
 
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Vdubs said:
At present, agents derived from the patients own blood- PRP (Platelet Rich Plasma)& Orthokine- are occasionally used in cases of bad tendon tears. If he has a hamstring tendon injury, that might have been considered. Not banned.
But
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/49/14/943
More research needed
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Think Nathan Freeman (another top 10 pick) from St. Kilda went overseas somewhere middle of the year after another hamstring tear (his 5th or 6th poor guy), and has since played 5-6 games in a row for the first time in his VFL career (hasn't made senior debut yet because of injury). Got injured against our VFL side last week but that was an ankle injury that could happen to anyone, but hasn't done his hamstring since. So whatever treatment he got, we need Nakia to get it.
 
StillAtLarge said:
Pardon the intrusion but do you think there was some slight negligence from the match committee by picking him to play first up at docklands? That stadium is an absolute joke, the concrete grass is bad enough and the astro stuff around the outside is abysmal. I don't think it's any coincidence that there have been a number of off the bone hamstring injuries suffered there over the years.

As a Hawks fan I'm hoping if O'Meara plays any footy this year it's at vfl level- Our final 2 games are at docklands and given his history the rock hard surface with f#ck all traction is far from ideal
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Yep, he shouldn't have played. It was a massive blunder by our medical and/or coaching staff.

Let's hope that we've learned from it.
 
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