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Do you even know what inflation is?
Name a Conservative Success Story
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Do you even know what inflation is?
I experienced it first hand when Gough release it in 1973.
1 rule of leftie attack CAN YOU DEFINE WHAT _______ IS ?
2 rule of leftie attack Wait for a Conservative to show up and then all jump him.
Ghost Patrol
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Name a snowflake success story.
You know it takes time for parliament to sit and debate policies and pass laws, right?
They pride themselves on it.
The greatest achievement a conservative can accomplish is to believe the bulls*t fed to them, and then mindlessly regurgitate it to others.
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No, everything that occurs from the instant the new government is in power is definitely entirely the fault of the new administration.
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Well, to be fair, you do have a pretty.... idiosyncratic interpretation of that CPI graph.
Ok - let’s see if we can take this one point at a time:
The lower taxes lead to a hole in the budget, concealed by selling hundreds of tons of gold at a low price and government enterprises thar that provided bilkions Of dollars in income. Then down the track that loss of income lead to a bigger hole in the budget.
Theres bath plugs could make that claim.
any why would you talk about getting rid of corporate tax if you were thinking about foreign shares that pay no corporate tax here anyway?
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A global trend yes. But made worse by Federal Labor refusing to do something about east coast gas prices when west australia showed exactly how to do it.
I'm looking at the graph, and looking at the election date
Which part is rewriting history?
What where they going to do about gas prices ?
Convincing young leftwingers that crypto wasnt something from a hard core anti government ayn rand libertarian incel wet dream.
the snowflakes won. At least for now.
Lets hope crypto crumbles down before it destroys the western welfare state.
Apple and google should pay corporate tax here as they earn billions here.
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Well we all know where the system ended up - in the GFC without a paddle. Had you invested in some shiny stuff you would be well rewarded by now. This week the price of gold jumped by more than $19. It's sitting somewhere around $US1115.00 an ounce.
In November 1997 the then Treasurer, Peter Costello, shocked some people when he announced he'd signed off on the sale of $2 billion worth of Australian bullion. On the day he announced the sale the price was around $US306.00 an ounce. At the time, according to Mr Costello, gold "no longer plays a significant role in the international financial system".>>>
Source: Worth its weight in gold
It’s depressingly predictable how these threads devolve almost instantly into left/right slanging matches.
What even defines a conservative now? Everything is a continuum but we persist in arguing as if everything is a dichotomy.
In my work I’ve had reason to study evolutionary psychology as it’s a really useful way to understand how our basic wiring evolved.
When humans were nomadic, lived in packs we were all socialist in a pure sense of the word.
Everyone lived in a small, interconnected & interdependent society or social group.
Everyone had a role to play & depended on others playing their roles to survive as a group.
We had hierarchy based on age, strength, intelligence and the strong & the elders/wise might have the final say but things were decided cooperatively & for the survival of the whole group.
Everyone shared everything & everyone contributed to it.
We’re wired to be cooperative & connected to our community.
when we started to use agriculture & people began to live in static communities we needed increasingly complex structures & systems of government but communities were still communities & everyone pulled together to help out if some people didn’t have enough.
Of course there’s always been leaders, Kings, Emperors, warrior leaders, whatever & whoever is on top fights to stay there. Is that what a conservative is? Someone who wants to protect the status quo because they’re ok?
And people always fight with others over land, food, resources, who is right about God etc. even my idyllic nomadic people would fight if they came across other nomadic groups competing for the same resources.
You could make an argument that the aboriginal people of Australia were the ultimate conservative’s because they somehow managed to run the country for more than 40,000 years without stuffing it up & they had very strict social structures, rules that everyone had to follow etc.
but they were the ultimate socialists too because they shared everything & no one owned anything.
The concept of private ownership, everyone for themselves, individualism has much to do with the massive sense of disconnect so many people feel in the modern world & for the increasingly complex problem of inequality we face.
We’ve gotten too big, there’s too many people in the world & where once plagues, wars, famines would have kept population sizes manageable these things happen less & less in first world countries.
Effective government like so much else has become increasingly impossible in increasingly individualized & fragmented societies.
If I think about what was conservative in my parents generation (I just buried my mum at 93) it was the belief in society, family, the church, morality, the rule of law, the community. That’s conservative Australia to me.
But my Mum’s family had come to Australia after the greatest war the world has known in Europe when a continent tore itself to pieces & millions & millions died. Over what? Some crazy man’s ego & weird ideas about nationalism. A fascist, a conservative? A national socialist?
Now we’re destroying the planet with overconsumption & conservatives are a crazy Venn diagram of anybody from Gina Reinhardt to a cooker screaming nonsense about white nationalism into a car phone (made in China) to upload to YouTube.
I grew up when my conservative family sent us to a (free) university to get a classical, liberal education including philosophy, the arts, music & my mother recycled everything & we grew food. We had feminism, eastern religions & a sexual revolution in the west.
Now nouveau riche tradies in the burbs once the class enemy of conservatives go to prosperity gospel mega churches, want to ban books, gay people and are re-embracing the sort of nationalism the crazy guy used to lay waste to Europe. Are they conservatives?
Civilizations rise & fall. The Egyptians, Romans, empires come & go. People make the same mistakes over & over.
Things that endure are ideas, philosophy, art, music, beauty, hope, idealism, kindness, the human spirit.
Conserve that shit.
What even defines a conservative now? Everything is a continuum but we persist in arguing as if everything is a dichotomy.
In my work I’ve had reason to study evolutionary psychology as it’s a really useful way to understand how our basic wiring evolved.
When humans were nomadic, lived in packs we were all socialist in a pure sense of the word.
Everyone lived in a small, interconnected & interdependent society or social group.
Everyone had a role to play & depended on others playing their roles to survive as a group.
We had hierarchy based on age, strength, intelligence and the strong & the elders/wise might have the final say but things were decided cooperatively & for the survival of the whole group.
Everyone shared everything & everyone contributed to it.
We’re wired to be cooperative & connected to our community.
when we started to use agriculture & people began to live in static communities we needed increasingly complex structures & systems of government but communities were still communities & everyone pulled together to help out if some people didn’t have enough.
Of course there’s always been leaders, Kings, Emperors, warrior leaders, whatever & whoever is on top fights to stay there. Is that what a conservative is? Someone who wants to protect the status quo because they’re ok?
And people always fight with others over land, food, resources, who is right about God etc. even my idyllic nomadic people would fight if they came across other nomadic groups competing for the same resources.
You could make an argument that the aboriginal people of Australia were the ultimate conservative’s because they somehow managed to run the country for more than 40,000 years without stuffing it up & they had very strict social structures, rules that everyone had to follow etc.
but they were the ultimate socialists too because they shared everything & no one owned anything.
The concept of private ownership, everyone for themselves, individualism has much to do with the massive sense of disconnect so many people feel in the modern world & for the increasingly complex problem of inequality we face.
We’ve gotten too big, there’s too many people in the world & where once plagues, wars, famines would have kept population sizes manageable these things happen less & less in first world countries.
Effective government like so much else has become increasingly impossible in increasingly individualized & fragmented societies.
If I think about what was conservative in my parents generation (I just buried my mum at 93) it was the belief in society, family, the church, morality, the rule of law, the community. That’s conservative Australia to me.
But my Mum’s family had come to Australia after the greatest war the world has known in Europe when a continent tore itself to pieces & millions & millions died. Over what? Some crazy man’s ego & weird ideas about nationalism. A fascist, a conservative? A national socialist?
Now we’re destroying the planet with overconsumption & conservatives are a crazy Venn diagram of anybody from Gina Reinhardt to a cooker screaming nonsense about white nationalism into a car phone (made in China) to upload to YouTube.
I grew up when my conservative family sent us to a (free) university to get a classical, liberal education including philosophy, the arts, music & my mother recycled everything & we grew food. We had feminism, eastern religions & a sexual revolution in the west.
Now nouveau riche tradies in the burbs once the class enemy of conservatives go to prosperity gospel mega churches, want to ban books, gay people and are re-embracing the sort of nationalism the crazy guy used to lay waste to Europe. Are they conservatives?
Civilizations rise & fall. The Egyptians, Romans, empires come & go. People make the same mistakes over & over.
Things that endure are ideas, philosophy, art, music, beauty, hope, idealism, kindness, the human spirit.
Conserve that shit.
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Wrong. If you haven't been including the grossed up dividend in your tax return, I suggest you lodge and amended return.
From the ATO
"Where a member such as an individual or company receives a franked distribution directly, they include the grossed up distribution (that is, both the distribution and any franking credit) in their assessable income"
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Not sure what you want. It's been explained that the law is written to avoid double taxation.
If you don't get it by now, you either will never get, or are being deliberately stupid.
cartwright
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So, no success stories?
