The other problem is what do those players do when they don't get a gig in our reserves side?
They won't have WAFL reserves to fall back on, do they go play ammos for the weekend?
Anyone know what GC and Brissy do with theirs in the VFL
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They won't have WAFL reserves to fall back on, do they go play ammos for the weekend?
Anyone know what GC and Brissy do with theirs in the VFL
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Yes, I think that would be simple and effectively the same as they WAFL reserves/colts do with Ammo's clubs where they have a club they play for if they cant play for Freo
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I wouldn't mind the idea of different league levels and promotion/relegation like the english football system. This year the Weags would have been sent to the seconds. That is never a bad thing. Bring that on and an FA Cup style comp too. More footy!
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A tiered system with promotion and relegation would have been a dream for Australian rules, but Vic's gonna Vic.
Imagine if instead of creating West Coast and Brisbane, the VFL went about setting up a national league with the best of the best from each state. You could take the best 6 teams from the VFL, 3 from the SANFL, 3 from the WAFL and say one each from NSW, QLD, TAS, ACT and NT for starters.
For examples sake, let's go:
Carlton
Collingwood
Essendon
Geelong
Hawthorn
Richmond
East Fremantle
South Fremantle
Subiaco
Norwood
Port Adelaide
Sturt
Sydney
Southport
Hobart
Canberra
Darwin
I'm obviously not very familiar with grassroots footy in the eastern states, but you get the picture.
None of these teams are set in stone, they fight for their spot in the league every season to avoid relegation, so there'd be no tanking to speak of. Better yet, promotion would make the state leagues mean more.
The elephant in the room with this set up is our club wouldn't exist, but **** me if that wouldn't have made for a better national competition.
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I agree with two tiers. It could make for great end-of-seasons. The top tier bottom half would be fighting to avoid relegation. The bottom tier could play a finals series for the right to be promoted etc. Not only more footy but more intense competitive footy.
Subiaco ? Claremont were the more likely choice from the western Suburbs.
Don't blame the Victorians for not creating a national league ... blame SA.
Back in the early to mid 80s the original intention was a national league out of merger of the VFL, SANFL, and WANFL.
But in a stunning peice of provincialism, the SANFL killed it because they considered their local league rivalries were more important.
The VFL expanded itself only when the NFL concept was dead.
TL; DR - provincialism in SA and passivity in WA handed an elite national league to the VFL on a platter.
Back in the early to mid 80s the original intention was a national league out of merger of the VFL, SANFL, and WANFL.
But in a stunning peice of provincialism, the SANFL killed it because they considered their local league rivalries were more important.
The VFL expanded itself only when the NFL concept was dead.
TL; DR - provincialism in SA and passivity in WA handed an elite national league to the VFL on a platter.
Never, never never.
The only good thing that may come out of that is that clubs, like the Road Kill Roos and a couple of others would never amke it in either grade.
Always down the bottom.
You are forgetting that at the beginning, the only reason the VFL wanted the EAgles and Bears was to save to bankrupt competition they were trying to run.Only three, maybe four VFL clubs were financially bouyant, the rest were basket cases.
The two out of Vic clubs that took the bait, should have waited , like SA did and demand that half the Melbourne based club either amalgamate or be removed from the competition.
The VFL only want the have the $8mill to bail out the VFL, not promote a national competition.
Wrong, the VFL wanted the money to save the bankrupt VFL clubs, and there were more, many more bankrupt than financially afloat. FACT.
IF, WA and the Bears had of stood along side the Adelide team, then they could have forced the VFL to cull the dead beat teams of the VFL. And to this day, they, the VFL/Afl still feed the clubs with no money.
How do you think the MFC got to win a flag just recently?A CEP paid for by the AFL, A coach paid for by the AFL.
Look at the assistance that the Road Kill Roos keep getting.
All the assistance that went towards the Bulldog 2016 flag.
Your review is way way off.A long way from the truth.
I wonder if at least for the first handful of years of this new seconds league, we'll see big differences in quality levels between clubs. I can only imagine bottom rung AFL teams are gonna get wiped by the better clubs with way more depth.
Surely North\WCE seconds goes down by 100 regularly to the top 4's seconds teams.
Overall, I'm totally for this league. Don't think it'll kill WAFL or other small leagues but it'll certainly dilute the field for a while. I can see it killing individual clubs like Peel, but all in all this will mean these state leagues won't have to regularly put up with compromise.
I still think we'll regularly see state league players getting picked up as usual, except they'll likely make their way to AFL via the seconds team. It'll be interesting to see if over time, seconds teams average a much younger age than say our WAFL linked counterparts, as surely AFL teams will want mainly youth to develop and will have fewer mature players running around with them like in WAFL.
Surely North\WCE seconds goes down by 100 regularly to the top 4's seconds teams.
Overall, I'm totally for this league. Don't think it'll kill WAFL or other small leagues but it'll certainly dilute the field for a while. I can see it killing individual clubs like Peel, but all in all this will mean these state leagues won't have to regularly put up with compromise.
I still think we'll regularly see state league players getting picked up as usual, except they'll likely make their way to AFL via the seconds team. It'll be interesting to see if over time, seconds teams average a much younger age than say our WAFL linked counterparts, as surely AFL teams will want mainly youth to develop and will have fewer mature players running around with them like in WAFL.
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Not a suggestion but if the draft age was increased with only the father sons and academy players able to play with the 2nd teams before they are 21 it might get a lot more hype for the 2nds team games and the likes of the WAFL would have a younger mix of talent to scout.
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Why would that be?
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I’m always curious about how this draft age increasing would work, surely teams at the bottom would be denied the equalisation measures the draft instilled in the league for whatever period the increase is, ie if the AFL said tomorrow the draft was going to 21 from next year, the next 3 drafts would be heavily compromised as they would essentially be this years left overs and late bloomers.
Actually with our list demographic, we should be pushing hard for this to coincide with TAS team joining!
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If the AFL kill Souths more than what they've done to the WAFL since 1987, along with the job they're doing nobbling Freo at every turn, then I may well be done with the sport.
If it happens, the RKRs will forever be on the teet of the AFL. They are being fed hand outs now and have been for a long long time. The club is a dud.
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It was before my time, I couldn't have told you the biggest three WAFL clubs of the 80s, just throwing names out there for an example. Wouldn't really matter in the proposed promotion/relegation system anyway.
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The AFL can't help but give out help to lower clubs, so I suspect the model would be that all players born for the draft class of 2027 cannot be drafted until they three years older - but during that time the selected teams needing help or the bottom six sides can pick one player each from this cohort (if they nominate), the player will just have to be paid for three years to only play 2nds.
You're spot on that the first three years of drafts after moving to a 21 year old playing age will be picking the scraps of the previous drafts and it would be interesting to see how each extra year of development changes what the draft order would be.
From three years out the players drafted as 18 year olds would need to be excluded from playing until they are 21, which would make that last draft very interesting from a list management perspective. I'd expect a lot of talls to get picked up as speculative projects.
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Would it work to add WAFL and SANFL to the VFL and just have conferences or something?
I don't see them surviving at all. The AFL want total control over all Australian rules football throughout Australia.
Total domination.
This is an opportune time for me to get back up on my hobby horse...
The game is Australian rules football. The AFL is merely 1 competition among many hundreds of competitions where the competitors play Aussie rules football. That the AFL have successfully managed to rename the sport after themselves is not only hubris, but they've somehow managed to assume some sort of ownership over our game which, quite frankly, they are so monumentally bad at.
I die a little on the inside when I hear someone say their child plays 'AFL' after enrolling them in Auskick...
/end rant
The game is Australian rules football. The AFL is merely 1 competition among many hundreds of competitions where the competitors play Aussie rules football. That the AFL have successfully managed to rename the sport after themselves is not only hubris, but they've somehow managed to assume some sort of ownership over our game which, quite frankly, they are so monumentally bad at.
I die a little on the inside when I hear someone say their child plays 'AFL' after enrolling them in Auskick...
/end rant
