Agree in the main Billy, but tell me how do you fund it? The 2 x qld AFL teams can. Southport can, Aspley can because they both run successful mini casinos....and good luck to them...but how do Vultures, Cats, Panthers, Tigers fund it? Bombers employ Marty King and I have no doubt his role has been instrumental in their performance this year and I am guessing this is funded through the Licensed Club...how are the others (40% of the comp) able to employ a full time Football Manager to do all things that you suggest?
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Agree in the main Billy, but tell me how do you fund it? The 2 x qld AFL teams can. Southport can, Aspley can because they both run successful mini casinos....and good luck to them...but how do Vultures, Cats, Panthers, Tigers fund it? Bombers employ Marty King and I have no doubt his role has been instrumental in their performance this year and I am guessing this is funded through the Licensed Club...how are the others (40% of the comp) able to employ a full time Football Manager to do all things that you suggest?
To be fair all clubs recruit and are hopeful during the off season. I don't believe either Aspley's or Broadbeach's lists were that exciting when comparing them to the current top 3. Both these clubs have a good base of talent in which to build similar to what Redland have done. Of more concern to me is Labrador and Mt gravatt. Older lists and not much talent coming through. They were in the GF two years ago and heading up? Now with new recruits and a couple of seasons into younger kids not sure where Labrador is heading and Mt gravatt the same but with far less money.
I am all for more resources to go to clubs that need it.
Not sure this will happen.
Get AFLQ to fund 1 x Football manager and 1 x Marketing,Event & Sponsorship etc.
Not the recipe for success though Riodj as Aspley have shown despite having a football manager. Bottom line is what you can develop from underneath the A grade IMO. Retaining your best juniors, attracting other good kids from your region (and giving them a crack) and then spending wisely what money you do have on players bn 22-27yrs of age. A club like Morningside has developed a strong footy culture without requiring a $million turnover and continue to have the best juniors in the State - they might be average now, they will be back in due course you would think.
Marty Kings influence would be felt alot more on internal decision making than what he adds in player recruitment etc. A guy who knows his footy and knows what makes good football clubs tick. Until you can start charging at the gate a reasonable price and have a reasonable membership base i'm sort of with Maurie - great in theory, not sure how it works in practise.
Spent last week in Adelaide and I can tell you there is alot of negative talk about how many $$ Qld footy already gets for the number of blokes who end up playing AFL footy, especially when country towns lose their own footy club which has been going for 80 years!
Marty Kings influence would be felt alot more on internal decision making than what he adds in player recruitment etc. A guy who knows his footy and knows what makes good football clubs tick. Until you can start charging at the gate a reasonable price and have a reasonable membership base i'm sort of with Maurie - great in theory, not sure how it works in practise.
Spent last week in Adelaide and I can tell you there is alot of negative talk about how many $$ Qld footy already gets for the number of blokes who end up playing AFL footy, especially when country towns lose their own footy club which has been going for 80 years!
billybunter
Team Captain
Maurie,
You pose the million dollar question here (pardon the pun), funds play a big part in achieving goals in any sporting organization not just footy - the side that you speak of above have been operating for many years and doing this well, memberships and knowing what those members do or could do for each club is the key, the more members the more chance that some corporate dollars get injected into these clubs. Like the sponsors of old, most of these had their kids play at the club and through the enviroment that they enjoyed in most cases, they stayed on well after their kids moved on because the super club enviroment they helped build and in some cases, along with the returns to their businesses by being an integeral part of that club gave them, they got their part of ownership of that club.
MT Gravatt in particular is great at involving sponsors to be not only to be money donors contributing into the running of the club but also to be a part of the football family culture that a certain past coach help built up through his time there.
If you can capture this enviroment within your membership whether at the bottom or the top of the pecking order, this is also a key factor as most true club supporters and sponsors want to be a part of the great Aussie tradition of making the the things we care and have a passion about being successfull - no matter how long it takes. Our ego's in most cases tend to overtake our passion to make this happen.
I agree that there are a couple of clubs where funds are aplenty but this does not automaticly bring instant success, Southport are probably the one that due to their mini casino have this, but at the end of the day the premierships that MT Gravatt, Morningside and Zillmere have won in the past with the Sharks in the competition have been a lot more sweeter, as they had to get to their premiership rewards with limited working funds but above all a true club enviroment and a huge desire to succeed, Aspley with their abundant amount of funds (apparently) still have not got anywhere near the culture which spurred the not so financial clubs on to the heights that they have enjoyed in the past.
My advice to anyone who is passionate about their footy is ask yourself the question what can I do to make my footy club a better club - so many times we go and support our team each week and that is where we leave it, we bitch and complain about the club we are a part of but we dont get off our bums to help make the game or our club any better - I take my hat off to the real members/supporters of footy clubs who not only barrack for their team, win lose or draw they also get involved - become a sponsor or involve their employeer or their mates to become a sponsor, sell raffle tickets, run footy tip comps, run sportsmen's nights (and well sort of sportsmen's nights), run club functions, work the canteen, sell the beer in the beer tent, help out with the juniors etc,etc,etc. These are just some of the ways how footy clubs have survived since the game started right up until now.
There are a multitude of potential sponsor's for our footy clubs out there all over South East Qld, you just have to get them interested in getting involved to be a part of your club - they wont knock on your door - you have to knock on theirs, all you need is a business plan for your future (if your current footy club committee have not got one, then your club has no future), if you can show these potential sponsors that there is a place for them within this plan, then they will have a want to be a part it, your club then becomes their club and on it goes. These potenial sponsor's could be the corner shop owner, the local panel beater or the multinational business manager who's son's may just be kicking a footy in you under 8's side.
they have been giving them a crack this year. their kids have been quite good this year. the ressies are on top of the ladder and that's virtually full of kids and local talent as well
Agree with alot of your points here Billy.
All clubs need those volunteers etc as it helps creates a warm club atmosphere. My understanding is that all clubs were to have presented a future plan to AFLQ . Sadly I am not sure that all clubs will have the same expertise to follow a plan as they are are generally mum and Dad board members who are heavily distracted by their own short term agendas or just simply unaware of a how a successful business or club should be run.
You will find most of the clubs are still running on short term plans and make short term appointments or changes to staff or players.
At the Sharks the Boards have always been strong and focussed on the evolution of the club and its facilities. You cannot keep saying that Southport are only successful because of money. They use and use it well. It is a stable environment.
Each club should be given assistance in the administration area both on and off field and in return the central body providing the funds for these staff should have the ability to make them accountable to their established future plans.
Brisbane clubs have a huge advantage in their junior numbers so rebuilding with young players is easier. Just look at Morningside with 1/3 of the state 18's coming from their club.
Speedyunit
All Australian
is that the same coach that was paying players more then what they could afford, really need to ask the question why is Vultures in this current situation? could be a few clubs playing PHC (QAFL) in a few years....
Zillmere's premierships??? Didn't they go bust straight after these? Not sure i rate any premiership that causes a club to cease - like alot of clubs, its the people who walk away after this that seem to evade all the heartache...
Lifes a Beach
Cancelled
Round 18 Tipping
2010premier 68
stuyd1 68
staminade 66
footyfanatic1 63
thunderdoc 61
chikka ferguson 58
Billybunter 58
Maurie 58
2010premier 68
stuyd1 68
staminade 66
footyfanatic1 63
thunderdoc 61
chikka ferguson 58
Billybunter 58
Maurie 58
chikka ferguson
All Australian
Hills to beat Vultures
Labrador
Panthers
Nt
Lions
Labrador
Panthers
Nt
Lions
billybunter
Team Captain
My tips for this weeks round - 3 weeks left with the finalization of 3rd, 4th & 5th spots very much up for grabs.
Hills Eagles to beat Vultures
Aspley to just pip Labrador
Broadbeach to bounce back against the Panthers
Nt Thunder too hot for the Southport Sharks
Lions to give Redlands a reallity check just before the finals
Hills Eagles to beat Vultures
Aspley to just pip Labrador
Broadbeach to bounce back against the Panthers
Nt Thunder too hot for the Southport Sharks
Lions to give Redlands a reallity check just before the finals
footyfanatic1
Senior List
SHE
Labrador
Panthers
Nt
Lions
Labrador
Panthers
Nt
Lions
Kittycat, watch him closely..... he does so many one percenters during a game , things that go unnoticed . His foot disposal is one of the best in the comp and his vision is 2 seconds ahead of his teammates and when that occurs he misses many possesion oppurtunities because of this.Put him in the lions ressies side and he would star.
My Tips;
SOUTHPORT
ASPLEY
BROADBEACH
HILLS EAGLES
LIONS
SOUTHPORT
ASPLEY
BROADBEACH
HILLS EAGLES
LIONS
So how's that positive now, beaten at home by the bottom side. I'm not sure where the big spending comes from. And u info on Tony, check u resources before once again making a GOOSE of uself
billybunter
Team Captain
Roadkill,
Points above are very valid in the post above, but being beaten by the bottom side could be us in two weeks and the WOODEN SPOON might take pride of place along with the toilet paper in our NEAFL trophy cabinet, we IMO today got beaten not by a better side but by our own crazy arse coaching staff, Why, Why, Why, would they change around a winning (to that point) game plan/structure at the start of the last quarter with us having the breeze, the changes astounded me as a spectator, Copeland from the back line down to the forward line to watch goal after goal being kicked at the other end, then throwing young Frazer Eaton into the ruck with arguably the Northern Divisions best ruckman Reid lining up along side Copeland in the forward line and then just allowing the Aspley defenders to play 10 metres at times behind their men without repercussion.
I know in a post or two back I mentioned that Russell Evans was as good coach in the NEAFL competition but after todays game, I am having second thoughts - also to boot for the brains trust to name a player in the best players today who chicken shitted the contest and instead of putting his head over the ball and taking a hit for his team, he selected to soccer the ball off the ground in the dying few minutes into the hands of an opponent who moved it forward to result in the winning goal being kicked is beyond me, also along with players that instead of playing percentage footy and looking for the teams best options they elect to try and kick selfish goals from eighty metres out.
The Hornets were the second best side at Labrador (skill wise) today I admit and so the scoreboard tells, but they had enough of the contest and the 50/50 ball to win the game, abeit they looked stuffed each and every one of them half way through the last quarter - my comment on this game is, if it is not broken then don't try and fix it and their apparent fix it today turned into F__KED it, Re-inventing the wheel only ends up as the wheel still being a wheel, I hope the Coaching Brains Trust sit down and watch the tape of the last quarter of this game a few times and then ask themselves why, why, why, and then address their short comings because they showed us all that they have plenty of them today.
billybunter
Team Captain
The club paid what they could afford to pay speedyunit nothing more or nothing less - they paid what they could afford at that time and they sucsseded at that time, 1 flag and in finals most of his tenure - the former coach as the history shows and IMO did the right thing at that time, as he brought as many new sponsors into the club as new players and he also managed to balance the books without too much help from many others, his acheivements also including, a strong hard list, a better player culture, new change rooms, gym etc. The great David Reid was a once in a life time clubman through these times and together with some great Bypartisen workings, the club was very, very sucssesful, questions must be asked at the moment as to were the club as it sits today is heading and what their future business plan holds in place.
billybunter
Team Captain
I don't know what you are elluding too with your above, off the cuff comment, but for the record the working class club of Zillemere (in all of its formed names) struggled for most of its long and illustriuos life, they did not have the charmed existance of the silvertail clubs where money was no object, the great players up until their recent demise played for a pie and a beer in most instances the players played because it was an honour to be selected for a northern QAFL club and with that the network of the club tended to assist all of their playing list in one form or another. A premiership won on an untold amount of funds is not as sweet as a premiership and in this clubs case, premierships won on no abunded amount of funds but a will to play for their jumper, their coach, each other and your club. A sparce number of sponsors, along with a lot of chook raffles, game day fund raising, membership donations, happy hour get togethers, hair of the dog Sunday mornings, golf days etc all brought the club together and created a culture that many of the clubs of today would be fareful of and would give their all for.
A couple of non business like decisions made by the then brains trust of the day after listened to and agreeing to a lot of hollow promises by many elite sporting bodies and a very hollow Northern region services club led to this proud and sucsessful clubs demise (along with a few other sporting clubs in the northern region), people did not walk away from this club, make no bones with that comment, as I am sure all past people as you put it associated with this club would jump at the chance to reserect it if it was possible, but we all know that this will never happen and the memories of the joys of beating all of the silvertail clubs in the comp are still as vivid now as they were on the day that they were achieved.
Be happy that your club is still around and you have a club to support, as to loose a footy club of which you love is like loosing a family member - you never ever get over it, but the mates for life you had met there and the memories of your time together keep you going.
chikka ferguson
All Australian
Battle for wooden spoon still up for grabs between 3 clubs. Witnessed one of the Paanthers best wins on Sat. Broadly led by 31 after 5 mins.
Thought I saw Staminade walking out head down,whoever you are.
Thought I saw Staminade walking out head down,whoever you are.
best panther win will always be the day they broke their hoodoo at southport in my eyes
other than the grand final wins
other than the grand final wins
Luckyme12
Debutant
Certainly from the panthers perspective a great win and their young young talent on display give,s them some hope for the future. On the other side the Broady playing group looked devoid of any leadership or passion. It is pretty obvious to most observers that the Coach has lost the playing group. After 2 years at the helm he has has not really delivered the sorts of results and rise ladder position that would warrant him being considered to continue his time at H & A Oval. I have heard comments from High Profile football experts like "There is no game plan or formal strategy or structure.
This despite a significant recruitment drive over the off season and the resultant additional expenditure as a consequence really means nothing has really changed in terms of the clubs relative position in the competition. The quality of the playing list has improved but obviously not enough to make any significant difference.
Clearly there are some hard decisions to be made over the off season.
