Rumour Neale-y premiership time! (was: Neale before the Lions!)

[WhiteLionFeva]

If Brisbane could get a top 10 pick for Neale and then added Parker as a UFA, would that not be a net win?

How does getting Parker as a free agent have anything to do with the value of the Neale trade?

 

[jackess]

If Brisbane could get a top 10 pick for Neale and then added Parker as a UFA, would that not be a net win?

If we could get Parker and that was the best we were going to get in return from Neale then yeah I'd be happy with that net result but getting a top 10 pick and a first round pick upgrade along with Parker would be better.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

How many first rounders did Geelong pay for Jeremy Cameron (albeit one year younger at the time of trade) but uncontracted?

They gave up picks 13, 15 and 20. That ended up being 15, 18 and 25.

Freo on the other hand will have two picks in the top 10. So clearly all first-rounders aren't equal.

And GWS got two second-rounders back in return.

 

[tate13]

Surely one of Freo's top 10 picks would suffice, given Neale will be 29 in May.

If you're chasing both, I think further swaps would be required.

Why would that suffice? He's got two years left on a contract. We gave up 6 and 19 for him. Since then he's won a brownlow, the coaches mvp, two best and fairest awards, players association award, 2 all Australians.

Whilst I agree something would have to come back, why would Brisbane shortchange itself? Pointing to his age is a lazy tactic to reduce value. It's easy to do and flippantly dismisses just how good he is. He broke the all time record for disposals in a final last week so he's hardly about the drop off the face of the earth.

 

[mattsmob]

It shows that he's been a fine player, but that's not in dispute.

You still have to ask, how many games will we get out of this guy? 100? 200? Somewhere in between? What do you cough up in return with that in mind?

I think it's more likely that Neale will be Fremantle's best player over the next 3-4 years than it is pick 6 will ever hit Neale's quality. For what it's worth I would take pick 6 and either a future second or current second for him.

 

[chopperduck]

I see we have already hit the point where freo posters pretend like they are the clubs list manager and make definite statements like we won't do the trade for that...

This is going to be a long and frustrating trade period... for Freo supporters.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

What’s his worth?

Well, I think the first question is whether Neale is determined to move to WA or is he just floating in and saying "if you guys can get a deal I'm happy to go"?

Because if he's determined, you're already locked into dealing with Fremantle, so market value goes out the window.

I would thought Freo would offer one of their first-rounders, and that might end up getting it done under those circumstances. I think that if Brisbane want to extract both those first-rounders, there will need to be further exchanges.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

I see we have already hit the point where freo posters pretend like they are the clubs list manager and make definite statements like we won't do the trade for that...

This is going to be a long and frustrating trade period... for Freo supporters.

Yeah, that's always the best part.

Like, what happens if they agree to a deal on BigFooty? Does that mean it gets done?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Why would that suffice? He's got two years left on a contract. We gave up 6 and 19 for him. Since then he's won a brownlow, the coaches mvp, two best and fairest awards, players association award, 2 all Australians.

Like I said, it will depend on the circumstances. The price you paid for him is not determinative. He's 3 years older now. The awards he won at Brisbane are also not determinative. That's in the past. His trade value will be determined by what's he likely to do in the future. How many games has he got left? 100? 120?

Whilst I agree something would have to come back, why would Brisbane shortchange itself?

Again, I think Brisbane should consider enforcing the contract. I think more clubs should do that. But that will depend on the circumstances.

Pointing to his age is a lazy tactic to reduce value.

Huh? It's more relevant in determining what he's got left in the tank that talking about his Brownlow last year.

You can call it "a lazy tactic". I'd call it a relevant fact.

Don't get me wrong, I'd be quite happy to see you clean Freo out. That would be amusing. I'm just trying to offer a balanced take.

 

[jackess]

They gave up picks 13, 15 and 20. That ended up being 15, 18 and 25.

Freo on the other hand will have two picks in the top 10. So clearly all first-rounders aren't equal.

And GWS got two second-rounders back in return.

So 3 first rounders for Jezza (uncontracted) and 2 second rounders

vs

2 top 10 picks (pick 8 and 10) for Neale (contracted for 2 years but 1 year older) and a first rounder (pick 16). Plus we'll probably be able to sweeten with the deal with other picks.

Looks pretty adequate to me.

I'd be happy for Freo to trade 8 back to 10-11 and make it 6 and 10 for Neale and 14. That's about bang on IMO but both teams would likely have someone in mind available at those picks so not a big deal

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Huh? If he won another Brownlow at his new club? Clearly that would be a factor when assessing his value if it did in fact happen.

Everyone knows Neale is a fine player. That's not in dispute. I get it, you want to talk about the Brownlow like that's some guarantee of future performance. But it isn't, and Freo would be getting a guy who might play 100 more games. They can't trade for him on the basis that he'll win another Brownlow.

Nobody is suggesting it is a guarantee of future performance, but it is a reference point for determining his quality as a player and a factor in assessing his value, as is his age, his current contract, his fit for the club etc.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

Tom Browne weirdly saying Neale is leaning towards staying with the Lions... (Source)

Hot Scoop Tom, already wrong

 

[ForzaRoma]

At least if he does leave, he wont win a flag. Fremantle's trophy cabinet ia destined to remain empty.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

So 3 first rounders for Jezza (uncontracted) and 2 second rounders

vs

2 top 10 picks (pick 8 and 10) for Neale (contracted for 2 years but 1 year older) and a first rounder (pick 16). Plus we'll probably be able to sweeten with the deal with other picks.

Looks pretty adequate to me.

Yeah, you've summarised the deal you'd like and said "that looks good".

 

[scoman]

Please tell me that Neale leaving won't give the club an excuse to keep Birchall on the roster.

 

[jackess]

Yeah, you've summarised the deal you'd like and said "that looks good".

If he wasn’t contracted or if he was a free agent next year we’d get less but we don’t need to bend over. I’m sure he and his wife will get plenty of support in Brisbane next year and see their families more once the borders open up and he’ll happily see out his contract.

 

[Damo T]

Not everyone is as generous as the Suns.

Cheap shot but warranted.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Cheap shot but warranted.

You'll never live down the Weller trade.

 

[Tom14]

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You'll never live down the Weller trade.

The west coast - suns pick swap in 2017 was worse.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Please tell me that Neale leaving won't give the club an excuse to keep Birchall on the roster.

I think we are in Grants hands on this one.

 

[M Malice]

If he wasn’t contracted or if he was a free agent next year we’d get less but we don’t need to bend over. I’m sure he and his wife will get plenty of support in Brisbane next year and see their families more once the borders open up and he’ll happily see out his contract.

Agree, I think it's a genuine 50/50 proposition as to whether he leaves or he stays and the club, Lachie, fellow players and his wife are fine with it either way.

 

[LIONS08]

Well, I think the first question is whether Neale is determined to move to WA or is he just floating in and saying "if you guys can get a deal I'm happy to go"?

Because if he's determined, you're already locked into dealing with Fremantle, so market value goes out the window.

I would thought Freo would offer one of their first-rounders, and that might end up getting it done under those circumstances. I think that if Brisbane want to extract both those first-rounders, there will need to be further exchanges.

I respect your opinion but I disagree. He is contracted so his value stays. He signed on for 5….
we have no interest in later picks this year. We will have very few list spots. Pick 6 and a downgrade of 8-14 seems fair. Maybe we send a third rounder back also.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Nobody is suggesting it is a guarantee of future performance, but it is a reference point for determining his quality as a player and a factor in assessing his value, as is his age, his current contract, his fit for the club etc.

We know his quality as a player. No one disputes that. But Fremantle have to consider his age above all else.

Fremantle finished 12th this year. Do they reckon they're close enough with the cattle they've got that they can start shipping out top 10 picks for guys who are 28-29, even if they're very fine players?

That would be bold, bordering on reckless. FMD that would be a gamble, given they were still 12th this season.

Brisbane are much closer, so they should enforce the contract, if they can.

If that doesn't happen, presumably Neale will be traded, and the haggling will be about the number of picks involved in the exchange. But I'd be shocked if Freo agree to both their first-rounders going without more coming back in return.

 

[jackess]

Agree, I think it's a genuine 50/50 proposition as to whether he leaves or he stays and the club, Lachie, fellow players and his wife are fine with it either way.

In the end; I don't think he's going to sit out for a year if a trade doesn't get done.

 

[Damo T]

You'll never live down the Weller trade.

I don't know Freo helped us out with Bennell.