New Brisbane Stadium (2032 Olympics)

[RedV3x]

I believe that all sporting codes should contribute to the building of new stadiums irrespective of what stadium it is and what purpose

How about some retrospective payments to balance the books a little ?

$1.6 billion will build a hell of a lot of good permanent stadium.

Then build it a Victoria park then if that is the case but I doubt it.
If they could duplicate Perth stadium for the cost that would be excellent but I doubt it.

I have previously stated that nobody is going to be looking at the stadium architecture during the Games.

One feature of the Perth Stadium is that you cannot miss it. it's in a prominent position and a great advertising icon.
I imagine Victoria Park would be similar.

Sydney has had an ambiguous relationship with its Olympic Stadium at Homebush over the last 25 years since its completion.

Exactly my point. Sydney cheaped out and didn't produce an effective after Olympic design.
If a stadium in the the style of Perth Stadium had been substituted for Sydney Olympic stadium
then the Olympic Stadium would be in continuous use.
Perth Stadium is actually better viewing for the rectangular codes than Olympic Stadium.

Yet it was supposed to be the centre-piece of the Sydney Games and rival the MCG after.

Yes, and those people who lauded it's design must have egg on their face or a wicked sense of humour.

The Sydney Olympic Stadium could have been used a lot lot more with one simple (and cheaper) change.
The huge centre section should have been incorporated into the build with only the small lower section moveable.
This is how it's done in other stadiums.

It was the friendliness and helpfulness of its volunteers and citizens, and how the whole city embraced the Games. It was the organisation of the Games itself and the way that the athletes, officials and media were accommodated and made to feel welcome.

Maybe, but those memories don't pay like regular use of the stadium.
To get maximum return on a stadium build you have to build a stadium with significant capacity, significant corporate facilities and has great viewing lines and can cater for all sports, concerts and events.
It helps if it has build has appeal and it's in a prominent position serviced by transport infrastructure.
That ALL comes at a price and if you cheap out you're destined to torpedo the whole project

 

[Billy ray]

only way to ensure the 'state govt footing the bill, so lets add 30-50% to the cost tax" isnt applied is to have the private sector build and majority owner at 51%, for a period of 30 years, with the state providing their 49% construction costs as financing payments during the construction. i think perth stadium was like that although it was 49/51, i think it was 40/60

 

[BigVic]

A knock-down and rebuild of the Gabba will see it increase its capacity to 50,000 which is just 8,000 more than the current Gabba and 10,000 more than the QSAC proposal

 

[RedV3x]

A knock-down and rebuild of the Gabba will see it increase its capacity to 50,000 which is just 8,000 more than the current Gabba and 10,000 more than the QSAC proposal

Presumeably if this 50k stadium can be built at the Gabba
then this 50k Gabba stadium can be built anywhere
then this 50k Gabba stadium can be built anywhere without the demolition costs
and this 50k Gabba stadium can be built anywhere without the cost of needing the addition of temporary stadiums.

 

[Roogal]

How about some retrospective payments to balance the books a little ?



Then build it a Victoria park then if that is the case but I doubt it.
If they could duplicate Perth stadium for the cost that would be excellent but I doubt it.



One feature of the Perth Stadium is that you cannot miss it. it's in a prominent position and a great advertising icon.
I imagine Victoria Park would be similar.



Exactly my point. Sydney cheaped out and didn't produce an effective after Olympic design.
If a stadium in the the style of Perth Stadium had been substituted for Sydney Olympic stadium
then the Olympic Stadium would be in continuous use.
Perth Stadium is actually better viewing for the rectangular codes than Olympic Stadium.



Yes, and those people who lauded it's design must have egg on their face or a wicked sense of humour.

The Sydney Olympic Stadium could have been used a lot lot more with one simple (and cheaper) change.
The huge centre section should have been incorporated into the build with only the small lower section moveable.
This is how it's done in other stadiums.



Maybe, but those memories don't pay like regular use of the stadium.
To get maximum return on a stadium build you have to build a stadium with significant capacity, significant corporate facilities and has great viewing lines and can cater for all sports, concerts and events.
It helps if it has build has appeal and it's in a prominent position serviced by transport infrastructure.
That ALL comes at a price and if you cheap out you're destined to torpedo the whole project

I'm not disputing everything that you are saying, just stating that $3.6 billion is WAY TOO EXCESSIVE for a stadium anywhere in Australia. If the Queensland Government or Games Organisers cannot build a 60,000 seat stadium in the virtual centre of Brisbane at Victoria Park for $1.6 billion then they need to either sharpen their pencils or tighten their belts. Brisbane is not like Hobart or Perth which are both isolated and have limited trades people available to support a big build project. Certainly re-building the Gabba would be the least preferred of all of the options because of all of the disruption and relocation of residences, roadways and other infrastructure.

You are wrong to say that Sydney's stadium was cheaped out. $600 million was a lot of money to spend on a stadium in the late 90's. The 45,000 seat Great Southern Stand at the MCG in 1992 only cost $192 million to build. Stadium Australia was state of the art for its time with retractable seating on its wings similar to Marvel Stadium, which was also state of the art for its time. The Sydney Olympic stadium was heralded at the time for its modernity. It was designed specifically to be re-configured for primary use as an NRL stadium after the Games, but as a hybrid, it was built with the retractable seating to accommodate AFL and cricket. Hybrid stadiums never ultimately work because they always are a compromise of design and neither code is completely satisfied with the outcome. They've tried them in the US to accommodate Baseball and NFL and they don't work there either.

 

[RedV3x]

I'm not disputing everything that you are saying, just stating that $3.6 billion is WAY TOO EXCESSIVE for a stadium anywhere in Australia.

As I posted stadium costs should be location independent.
except the Gabba needs demolition and temporary stands in addition.
Find the build that satisfies the parameters.

The people of Queensland voted for this so it's too late to turn around now.

If the Queensland Government or Games Organisers cannot build a 60,000 seat stadium in the virtual centre of Brisbane at Victoria Park for $1.6 billion then they need to either sharpen their pencils or tighten their belts.

I'm not an expert but I KNOW that material costs and labour costs have increased drastically.
You're definitely NOT going to get a Perth Stadium for $1.6 billion now.

Brisbane is not like Hobart or Perth which are both isolated and have limited trades people available to support a big build project.

Do you know how BIG Perth is ?

Certainly re-building the Gabba would be the least preferred of all of the options because of all of the disruption and relocation of residences, roadways and other infrastructure.

Yes.

You are wrong to say that Sydney's stadium was cheaped out. $600 million was a lot of money to spend on a stadium in the late 90's.

They cheaped out Sydney's stadium w.r.t. it's post Olympic use.
They could have prevented it from becoming the whitme elephant that it is.

The 45,000 seat Great Southern Stand at the MCG in 1992 only cost $192 million to build.

So theoretically, with your logic you could've had an Sydney Olympic stadium for 2x 192 = $ 384 million for 90k capacity.
That sort of shoots your cheap Sydney stadium down.

Stadium Australia was state of the art for its time with retractable seating on its wings similar to Marvel Stadium,

No. No . NO. marvel uses the much cheaper option of only moving a small forward section.
that could have been used in Sydney.

The Sydney Olympic stadium was heralded at the time for its modernity.

Which was proven to totally wrong.

It was designed specifically to be re-configured for primary use as an NRL stadium after the Games,

Was it ? It's totally unsuitable for most NRL games.

Hybrid stadiums never ultimately work because they always are a compromise of design and neither code is completely satisfied with the outcome.

Hello. Everybody LOVES Perth Stadium!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

[mighty_lions]

A knock-down and rebuild of the Gabba will see it increase its capacity to 50,000 which is just 8,000 more than the current Gabba and 10,000 more than the QSAC proposal

that is not correct, the capacity is not 42,000 its 37,000, do some research and get facts correct instead of just googling Gabba capacity