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Galactic said:
So guilty in your opionion broken?
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I'll wait for it to all play out, but if the Pats are proven to be at fault here I think it should have been picked up and addressed before, or at least during the game.

I posted this in the Pats thread that the rule states that if the officiating crew notices something different about the balls they should then use the opposing teams balls.
Even more interesting that they couldn't tell the difference between the Colts and Patriots balls through the duration of the game which, given the claims of the different pressures, one would imagine there was a noticeable difference.
 

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Broken said:
Interesting question given that the officiating crew handles the ball during the start/conclusion of every play. The rule states that if the officiating crew notices something different about the balls they should then use the opposing teams balls.
Even more interesting that they couldn't tell the difference between the Colts and Patriots balls through the duration of the game, which given the claims of the correct pressures one would imagine there was a noticeable difference.
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Sounds fishy.
 
Broken said:
I'll wait for it to all play out, but if the Pats are proven to be at fault here I think it should have been picked up and addressed before, or at least during the game.

I posted this in the Pats thread that the rule states that if the officiating crew notices something different about the balls they should then use the opposing teams balls.
Even more interesting that they couldn't tell the difference between the Colts and Patriots balls through the duration of the game which, given the claims of the different pressures, one would imagine there was a noticeable difference.
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Galactic said:
That's what I have an issue with. Its just stinks of a SB hype story but eh, It is what it is.
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There's a lot of stuff coming out that it may or may not be possible under Gay-Lussac's law for the PSI to have dropped between inside temperatures and outside temperatures or under game conditions. In a nutshell, it has to do with temperature and pressure relationship of a gas. Some people are arguing it's possible and others that it isn't possible. For this to be true, I imagine the Patriots would have inflated the balls to the bare minimum (12.5 PSI) given the acceptable range is 12.5-13.5 PSI. There has also been chatter that it may be possible to inflate the balls with warmer air, thus reaching the standards and the ball deflating in the cold conditions outside and under match conditions. From there, it becomes a chemical reaction issue.

I'd like to get a speedy resolution to this. The Pats cheated or they didn't. I'm not sure there is a middle ground and I'd like to know it so we can get on with the business of the Super Bowl.

What I'm interested to know is, if the balls were brought to the attention of the officials and they checked them at half time, what happened to the balls at that point? If the Pats are playing with an unfair advantage, wouldn't the officials correct this? This is what I find to be interesting and absurd.
 
Blacky said:
I would imagine when you are simply holding the ball open palmed to pass it around you wouldn't notice. It wouldn't be until you grasped it properly you would notice
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When they place it at the line of scrimmage they'd need to get a bit of a tighter grip on it so I'd expect it may have been noticed then, especially as it's about a 15% decrease in ball pressure. Although I admit if the officials wear the thick gloves they often do it may not have been noticeable.
 
Broken said:
When they place it at the line of scrimmage they'd need to get a bit of a tighter grip on it so I'd expect it may have been noticed then, especially as it's about a 15% decrease in ball pressure. Although I admit if the officials wear the thick gloves they often do it may not have been noticeable.
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I don't think that is the same as grasping it as the players would.
 
ausbacker said:
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What I'm interested to know is, if the balls were brought to the attention of the officials and they checked them at half time, what happened to the balls at that point? If the Pats are playing with an unfair advantage, wouldn't the officials correct this? This is what I find to be interesting and absurd.
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THIS, this is what im on about. There is waaaay to many accusations and not enough blame on the refs. THEY are supposed to be in charge of this area, they are supposed to be checking this stuff and if nothing seemed off to them, then the blame is on the officials. If there was an issue at half time they sure didnt do much about it.
 
Blacky said:
I don't think that is the same as grasping it as the players would.
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No doubt, but reports are that it was the Colts equipment manager who noticed the difference and not D'Qwell? I can't see his handling of the game ball to be any different to the officials, it just all seems odd.
 
Galactic said:
THIS, this is what im on about. There is waaaay to many accusations and not enough blame on the refs. THEY are supposed to be in charge of this area, they are supposed to be checking this stuff and if nothing seemed off to them, then the blame is on the officials. If there was an issue at half time they sure didnt do much about it.
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Listen, I'm not trying to defend the Patriots. If they're guilty they're guilty and they should be appropriately punished. The problem is, the timeline of events is utterly absurd.

0. Pre-game pressure checks by the officials stipulating the balls are within acceptable ranges and normal protocol is followed.
1. Jackson intercepts Brady in the second quarter (9:21 remaining) with the score at 14-0. Mentions to team officials that the ball appears to be under-inflated.
2. The Patriots go in at HT up 17-7.
3. The officials have been notified and supposedly check the pressure (with two gauges apparently) of New England's footballs with an alleged consensus that the balls are under inflated.
4. The second half resumes and the Patriots go on to crush the Colts 45-7.
5. Small story gains traction and supposedly, an investigation is conducted and completed with the media jumping to conclusions before officials statements are made (unnamed sources).

Now, this is where it becomes interesting.
1. During the time that the balls were checked to when they came into gameday service, they were tampered with or they weren't tampered with. I imagine Gillette Stadium is filled with CCTV. Track the balls and establish if they were tampered with or not. If the balls are out of CCTV service, catalogue who the employees/players were with the ball immediately before and immediately after the break in transmission. This immediately narrows down the search for the culprit(s).
2. If the balls were not tampered with and have simply reacted to the cold weather conditions, show us the science behind it and how it may be possible for this to occur (especially during use).
3. If there were irregularities and the officials were aware of this at half time, why were the offending balls not confiscated and stored or at the very least, inflated to correct PSI and an official report made?

It seems rather nonsensical to me.
 

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loyallion said:
At the start of the game remember how it took awhile for the Colt Punter to kick off? and the Refs were checking the Balls? Then there been instances during the game you can see Colts Players looking at the ball and shaking their heads?
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No, I don't remember that because the Patriots kicked off to the Colts and footballs used for kicking and punting and are not handled by the teams. They are the responsibility of the officiating crew.
 
Broken said:
No doubt, but reports are that it was the Colts equipment manager who noticed the difference and not D'Qwell? I can't see his handling of the game ball to be any different to the officials, it just all seems odd.
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It's possible the refs have a hell of a lot to keep on their mind in managing the game and just doing what they have to do in the process of the game to get it placed correctly and ready for the next play with the assumption in their mind the balls have been checked and are good. That compared to the equipment manager who I assume does most of their work before the match and may be more relaxed to notice something off-kilter.
 
ausbacker said:
No, I don't remember that because the Patriots kicked off to the Colts and footballs used for kicking and punting and are not handled by the teams. They are the responsibility of the officiating crew.
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I know you're no schill AB. Surely there must be creeping doubt mate
 
What an afternoon / evening hey? Never a dull moment with these Pats.

There has to be some explanation for this. I just find it hard to believe this is some systematic thing at the Patriots. Even with 'Spygate' Bill always maintained he misinterpreted the rule. I know Bill pushes the boundaries, but this would be going way over. This would be blatantly breaking the rules.

This needs to get knocked on the head quickly. The Pats need to get on the front foot here and work out what the hell happened.
 
Blacky said:
I know you're no schill AB. Surely there must be creeping doubt mate
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Of course I have my doubts but at the least, I adhere to the strict position that rarely, if ever do I judge a situation on the strength of unnamed sources and a few ****wits in the media running with a story. I've always been of the opinion that I prefer to wait for the facts to come to light and due process followed.

I'm not one for hanging a party before guilt has been established. The pitchfork mentality society has developed disgusts me. I've seen too many good people have their reputations and lives ruined for no good reason.

Now, pushing all that aside, as mentioned, I have no problem with the Patriots being sanctioned if it's proven they were acting inappropriately.
 
Troy Vincent, the league's senior executive vice president of football operations, told The Associated Press late Tuesday in response to this report that the "investigation is currently underway and we're still awaiting findings.'' He told ProFootballTalk.com earlier Tuesday that the NFL expected to wrap up its investigation in "two or three days."

Lock in Friday afternoon, just in time for the weekend.
 
LicoriceAllsorts said:
Easier to grip ball
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That may be true but it doesn't explain nor validate the lack of offence from the Colts. They couldn't run and they couldn't throw. No ball pressure makes up for an excellent defensive performance from the Patriots.
 
ausbacker said:
Of course I have my doubts but at the least, I adhere to the strict position that rarely, if ever do I judge a situation on the strength of unnamed sources and a few *******s in the media running with a story. I've always been of the opinion that I prefer to wait for the facts to come to light and due process followed.

I'm not one for hanging a party before guilt has been established. The pitchfork mentality society has developed disgusts me. I've seen too many good people have their reputations and lives ruined for no good reason.

Now, pushing all that aside, as mentioned, I have no problem with the Patriots being sanctioned if it's proven they were acting inappropriately.
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PHX said:
Troy Vincent, the league's senior executive vice president of football operations, told The Associated Press late Tuesday in response to this report that the "investigation is currently underway and we're still awaiting findings.'' He told ProFootballTalk.com earlier Tuesday that the NFL expected to wrap up its investigation in "two or three days."

Lock in Friday afternoon, just in time for the weekend.
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Nah- way too much momentum. NFL need to kill this either way immediately
 
Not sure if this has been asked, but I never knew each team provided their own ball for their offense.

Why? I just thought the league would provide all the match day balls, and these balls would be used by both teams, like in AFL, soccer and other sports.

I don't get it. It seems this procedure opens it up for cheating by teams.

If there is a good reason for it, please let me know what it is, as I can't think of one.
 
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