Mega Thread New Stadium

[groga]

If you can be bothered (I wouldn't, so don't blame you) the Burswood site is discussed in some detail further back in the 40 pages of this thread.

It pretty much comes down to yes, it's a terrible site to build on. Most of the land near the Swan River was swamp or a part of the river itself at some point. The alluvial soil moves alot under loading not to mention the water table being high in this area so there is also water flowing beneath the ground. And then there is the issue that some of the site used to be a rubbish tip and concrete factory so there are pollution and chem hazard issues as well.

All that being said, geotech engineering goes pretty well these days and there's some pretty strong rock further down to pile into so it should work fine with some extra $$ thrown at the project.

Cheers mate . Wonder if the extra $$ is worth it....

 

[UpForGrabs]

I'll also add that if they can have two hotels, a casino and a heap of high-rise apartments in the vicinity, then the land can't be too bad.

 

[The_Reaper]

I'd also add that half the Netherlands is in the same situation. (excepting the rubbish tip)

 

[larrikin]

For the West Coast games i've been to I could

And if the crowd is under 45k - it means there are 10-20k seats available.

Yep

But that won't be relevant to West Coast games in Perth.

You couldn't for an Essendon or Pies home game at the Dome, for instance

 

[greennick]

He said $100 million of the surplus would be put aside for Perth's proposed new football stadium at Burswood - which has an early budget of $700 million - and another $70 million would be reserved for a new children's hospital.

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Burswood was announced as the location for Perth's new stadium in late June but the initial $700 million costing was not matched by any firm funding commitments.

There has been widespread speculation the stadium, which was not expected to be completed until 2018, will eventually cost more than $1 billion.

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/8...nto-stadium-20110922-1km98.html#ixzz1YeMwfjcF

Good to see it isn't being ditched as the opposition wanted it to. w***ers. Considering they were complaining about it being dropped during the GFC and now it is boom time and they want it dropped.

 

[Kwality]

Losing Subi will put a $12.5mil hole in WA footy every year & it underlines how important management of the new stadium is - dud deals similar to those in Melbourne cant be allowed to happen.

Check out the interview with outgoing CEO of WAFC:
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/afl/11377454/in-good-shape-and-exciting-times-ahead/

What should football's role be at the new stadium when it is built?
Footy has to be the major stakeholder because we are going to deliver the content. It has to be designed and operated so footy is successful. If footy is not successful there will be concertina effects and the investment in the stadium won't survive. We fully appreciate that it is a government investment and they are going to have certain criteria. But whatever happens footy has to be recognised as the key tenant, like Coles or Myer in a major shopping centre.

In terms of management, we are open to that. We will put our credentials forward and we think it is important because we have an affinity in running it.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/afl/11377454/in-good-shape-and-exciting-times-ahead/

 

[leroyeagle]

How about just knocking down Subi and sell off the land for residential, retail, commercial or community use. It would be worth millions of $'s which could be of some benefit to the WAFL & give the residents something else to complain about! Might be some left over for the East Perth footbridge to Burswood Stadium.

 

[Kwality]

How about just knocking down Subi and sell off the land for residential, retail, commercial or community use. It would be worth millions of $'s which could be of some benefit to the WAFL & give the residents something else to complain about! Might be some left over for the East Perth footbridge to Burswood Stadium.

Be a big ticket item for the owner of Subi, & that is not footy ... the ratepayers of the City of Subi .... next please ...

 

[new breed]

The Stadium is to be built on the back nine of the Burswood GC , which is just South of the Farmer Freeway . Footbridge to be built from the stadium to the New East Perth area ( Actually an Indigenous heritage site )

The State Tennis Centre has been saved but they may leave to another venue anyway ( Challenge Stadium , would be good ) with all the traffic and new construction distractions to come .

The Stadium will be built pretty close to the river then , so I am surprised but its a good location closer to East Perth area then Burswood / Vic Park area .

 

[Ted38]

Well the appointed architectural firm has a solid record, at least that's a good start.
Hopefully they have sufficient local knowledge to design it so that it runs North/South.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

I'll also add that if they can have two hotels, a casino and a heap of high-rise apartments in the vicinity, then the land can't be too bad.

Belmont Park redevelopment and the land corp redevelopment down the road will boost this area a lot. I also expect some sought of development along the foreshore.

 

[Mattman93]

I really don't like the idea of it being up at burswood.

 

[royalsfan]

I really don't like the idea of it being up at burswood.

I'm with you on that mattman.


Travel from the northern suburbs will be very difficult. Imagine trying to get thru the tunnel after a game !!

And I don't know how the train will work. I can't imagine catching a train to the city and then swapping trains to the Armadale line. (Especially with all the social problems on that line ).

I hope the whole thing gets delayed and we stay at Subi

 

[tesseract]

I'm with you on that mattman.


Travel from the northern suburbs will be very difficult. Imagine trying to get thru the tunnel after a game !!

And I don't know how the train will work. I can't imagine catching a train to the city and then swapping trains to the Armadale line. (Especially with all the social problems on that line ).

I hope the whole thing gets delayed and we stay at Subi

Don't have to worry about the social issues of the Armadale line after a football match because folks will be packed into trains and left without room to move. A thug could barely move through such a crowd, let alone walk up and start shit. Too many people at the station for the thugs to openly cause trouble too.

 

[royalsfan]

Don't have to worry about the social issues of the Armadale line after a football match because folks will be packed into trains and left without room to move. A thug could barely move through such a crowd, let alone walk up and start shit. Too many people at the station for the thugs to openly cause trouble too.

I hope you are right. But I still don't fancy catching a train to and from there. I wonder whether there will be any parking provided?

 

[Ljp86]

I really don't like the idea of it being up at burswood.

It's a poor decision all up really, Graham Farmer Freeway will be a nightmare and I can't imagine what catching a train will be like. Not to mention the entire area has stability issues.

Barnett's just being a stubborn ********. Won't build the thing at Kitchener Park cause that's what Labor wanted.

 

[larrikin]

Well the appointed architectural firm has a solid record, at least that's a good start.
Hopefully they have sufficient local knowledge to design it so that it runs North/South.

Hope they don't award the construction contract on price alone....

At least it is the WA govt, who believe it or not is better at this stuff than some of our other states (I'm looking at you NSW, SA & now Vic)

 

[Admiral Byng]

I hope you are right. But I still don't fancy catching a train to and from there. I wonder whether there will be any parking provided?

It wont be that bad. They're talking about a railway station with four platforms which will be a significant improvement. It's only just on the other side of the river about 3-4 minutes away, not like you'll need to go to all the way to Gosnells or anything. With four platforms they'll be able to run normal Armadale line services on two of those, the other two would be running shuttle patterns from Perth central. Those changing changing trains wouldn't have to share with the Armadale/Thornlie patrons anyway because they'll be coming in and going out in the opposite direction.

Parking wise - Belmont Park over the road has a huge parking area, so big they used to stage land yacht racing there - with plenty of room for more. If they build this footbridge over the river then Gloucester Park becomes an option too.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

It has no provided parking and it shouldn't.

 

[Underdog]

Travel from the northern suburbs will be very difficult. Imagine trying to get thru the tunnel after a game !!

Like people from the Eastern suburbs have been doing for the past x years?

 

[Scotland]

Trains from Armadale, Mandurah, Fremantle, Midland and Clarkson should be able to connect to the stadium.

The govt are better off sinking more money into road & rail infrastructure around the stadium site than the stadium itself. You can always upgrade a stadium provided you leave enough space for expansion, but trying to retrofit ways in and out after realising access and egress is a problem would be a major PITA.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

The stadium location is awesome.

Drive down to the local train station - train it right up to the front door of the stadium.

Waltz out afterwards - happy days.

If you want to save time leaving the ground - walk across the footbridge to claisebrook and hop on the midland line train.

 

[Coast Guard]

The stadium location is awesome.

Drive down to the local train station - train it right up to the front door of the stadium.

Waltz out afterwards - happy days.

If you want to save time leaving the ground - walk across the footbridge to claisebrook and hop on the midland line train.

I tend to have to agree with this line of thinking. I think the most important thing about the site is the space around the stadium and what they can do with it over the next 50 years. Thats why I didnt like the idea of Kitchener. Sure, itd be cheaper now and youv'e got the Subi surrounding it already, but it'd probably cost even more to upgrade infrastructure in another 30 years and the residential area suffocated the stadiums flexibility and usefulness for things outside of footy (concerts and the lot).

Plus, people are talking about things like "imagine trying to get on the freeway".. Whats more ridiculous, is imagine being a subi resident and trying to leave your house for an hour straight after the footy. Theres no way you can plan for improvements in Subi, but there is at Burswood.

 

[Selgae]

Hope they don't award the construction contract on price alone....

At least it is the WA govt, who believe it or not is better at this stuff than some of our other states (I'm looking at you NSW, SA & now Vic)

Not sure what procurement model will be chosen yet but hopefully the design and construction are integrated.

WA has been good the last couple years but prior to then not sure it has the greatest track record surely Perth Arena now at around $600m is one of the most expensive 14000 person stadium/arenas in the world?

 

[WCErevival]

Perth arena looks terrible atm. I hope its not staying like that.

As for whinging about the Armadale line. Its not like you are going down to Armadale. What is Burswood? About 2 stops down the line?