Mega Thread New Stadium

[The Falcon Strike]

Haven't seen another thread - and I know it's been done to death.

But did anyone see Barnett's presser on the new stadium? Sounded surprisingly optimistic that we'll have something new and has been given the mantle as the number one priority in terms of WA's infrastructure spend now that the kids hospital has been funded.

Three options (no surprises there).

* Demo and start again
* Demo stand by stand and re-build
* Build on a greenfield site.

Thankfully he has put off the idea of just upgrading the stadium - it will involve comnpletely new stands.

Decision to be announced early next year - which I'm hoping is due to the fact that the FIFA announcement is in December. If we get the Cup for 2022 - then the Federal Government will have to pay for the stadium - or at least contribute significantly to it. So hopefully this is the reason for the delay.

Link here
http://bigpondvideo.com/AFL/286786

 

[Quinz]

Re: New Stadium - Time for Cautious Optimism?

I try not to get my hopes up. Much better idea to build a completely new stadium though.

As I've said before, I won't have any faith in the new stadium until I am personally sitting in it*

*Possible in one of those motorised wheelchairs by that stage

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Re: New Stadium - Time for Cautious Optimism?

I try not to get my hopes up. Much better idea to build a completely new stadium though.

As I've said before, I won't have any faith in the new stadium until I am personally sitting in it*

*Possible in one of those motorised wheelchairs by that stage

Only possible IMO on a greenfields site - We'd have to miss a season of football if they rebuilt on the Subi footprint.

Personally - i hope they move it - can't wait to hear the cries of protest from Subi Council. East Perth is the best spot if it can fit - we can then hopefully try and build a sporting precinct around the WACA, the new stadium and ME stadium.

We'd need to sink the east perth train station though.

 

[Geoffe_Miles]

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Even if they agreed to build a new stadium it will probably take them another 2 years before they could agree on where to build it before they would even start. And the longer the planning takes the more chance of a change of government/change in economic circumstances/just plain change in sentiment to derail it again.

Mark Duffield talked about it recently on the radio and he said they still can't choose between 3 options - Kitchener park, Burswood and the site where the East Perth power station is. There are more powerful political forces/financial interests backing Burswood and Kitchener but the problem is both of those options would be at least $250mil more expensive than the East Perth power station option because Burswood would require pylons to stabilise the foundation/turf and Kitchener would require the buying up of the real estate and land to build it on and the demolition of the old ground which would be very, very expensive on it's own. I am not an engineer so i don't fully understand it but they reckoned that because of the design of Subi it would have to be virtually jackhammered out and it would be a very labour intensive and time consuming project. There would be no easy or cheap way to demolish it.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Re: New Stadium - Time for Cautious Optimism?

Even if they agreed to build a new stadium it will probably take them another 2 years before they could agree on where to build it before they would even start. And the longer the planning takes the more chance of a change of government/change in economic circumstances/just plain change in sentiment to derail it again.

Delay is the main concern - particularly in this state.

I always thought East Perth's footprint was too small - which is why Kitchener park was favoured. Or perhaps it was just too small to have an oval the size of Subiaco. Regardless - it's the best option IMO.

Aside from the Sun/Grass issue - I'd love them to recreate the Dome over here - it's a fantastic stadium.

As an aside - i'd laugh at the hypocrisy if they choose Kitchener Park - they havent' allowed parking their for a while as it affected the tree roots - but they are quite happy to rip the trees out of the ground.

 

[88mph]

Re: New Stadium - Time for Cautious Optimism?

Even if they agreed to build a new stadium it will probably take them another 2 years before they could agree on where to build it before they would even start. And the longer the planning takes the more chance of a change of government/change in economic circumstances/just plain change in sentiment to derail it again.

Mark Duffield talked about it recently on the radio and he said they still can't choose between 3 options - Kitchener park, Burswood and the site where the East Perth power station is. There are more powerful political forces/financial interests backing Burswood and Kitchener but the problem is both of those options would be at least $250mil more expensive than the East Perth power station option because Burswood would require pylons to stabilise the foundation/turf and Kitchener would require the buying up of the real estate and land to build it on and the demolition of the old ground which would be very, very expensive on it's own. I am not an engineer so i don't fully understand it but they reckoned that because of the design of Subi it would have to be virtually jackhammered out and it would be a very labour intensive and time consuming project. There would be no easy or cheap way to demolish it.

I have heard East Perth Power Station site is being seriously looked at by Tony Sage as a new home for Perth Glory.

If this does eventuate I would love to see a new AFL stadium in Burswood, great undeveloped precinct.

 

[WCE_phil]

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Burswood has issues with unstable and sinking ground. For a stadium you'd be talking about very,very serious foundations with footings on bedroock. Its a fair way down for that in burswood. If that can be covered then burswood is far and away my preferred option. I also want minimum of 55-60k to start with whilst having the ability to upgrade in the future.

 

[Arecsa]

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Burswood, get it done.

 

[ManicMiner]

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Anywhere but bloody Subi...

 

[new breed]

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The Burswood Golf Clubhouse sinks cms every few year , resulting in cracking to walls and foundations which are costly repairs every 2-3 years ATM .... so a stadium there would be good idea but the ground level seating will be underground in twenty years , so my advice is to buy second tier seating

Evidently Barnett was at the Derby and had to queue for a lengthy period for food and toilet facilities ... he was disgusted with the facilities and has now said the money is there to go ahead with the best option !

It has been a journey but

 

[darkstar]

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Barnett is just buying time and waiting for FIFA's decision in December 2010 to see if Australia will get 2022 world cup.

If we do we can expect a new multi purpose 60,000 seat stadium as depicted in the FIFA bid brochure.

I just hope they don't build it at Subi.
Burswood is no 1 for me, with East Perth second best option.

 

[bodazoka]

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Anyone would think theres an election on...*




*yes i understand theres a difference between state and federal governments, however some people dont.

 

[Geoffe_Miles]

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I would be nervous if they built it at Burswood. Experiences like those at Etihad and Wembley in the UK have convinced me that even with all the modern technology and expertise it is still very possible for modern engineering, design and building methods to completely f*** up the building of a stadium and grossly misjudge and underestimate the possible extent of problems. If they chose to build it there we would want to be bloody sure that whatever methods they were going to use to deal with the turf/sinking ground issues were going to work completely and permanently to resolve those issues so we don't end up with a sub par stadium full of problems.

 

[Galileo9]

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I suspect 2 issues with Burswood....Burswood will want a stake of the stadium and rent for WCE and Freo will certainly be higher which means grassroots football will have less money.

Subi or East Perth for mine, albeit Subi is easiest accessible. not sure if i want to be put through 5 years of media dishing stories about whining Subi residents annoyed at progress.

also subi is best option for adding value as local businesses will see higher traffic. east perth traffic....Lord street/Railway Pde are already a nightmare.

 

[Geoffe_Miles]

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I suspect 2 issues with Burswood....Burswood will want a stake of the stadium and rent for WCE and Freo will certainly be higher which means grassroots football will have less money.

Subi or East Perth for mine, albeit Subi is easiest accessible. not sure if i want to be put through 5 years of media dishing stories about whining Subi residents annoyed at progress.

also subi is best option for adding value as local businesses will see higher traffic. east perth traffic....Lord street/Railway Pde are already a nightmare.

I think the rent might be less at Burswood. The idea would be lots of dumb mugs (especially young males cashed up from working in the mining industry) would go and blow a load of money in the casino after games. If the stadium was at Burswood then Packer and co would have a monopoly on after game entertainment and all the money that gets blown on food and drinks in various pubs and restaurants in the Subi district post game now would all go into Burswood's coffers plus the money they would make from people gambling.

 

[WCE_phil]

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I think the rent might be less at Burswood. The idea would be lots of dumb mugs (especially young males cashed up from working in the mining industry) would go and blow a load of money in the casino after games. If the stadium was at Burswood then Packer and co would have a monopoly on after game entertainment and all the money that gets blown on food and drinks in various pubs and restaurants in the Subi district post game now would all go into Burswood's coffers plus the money they would make from people gambling.

I agree

 

[sTeeL]

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Burswood offered to front up cash to get the build done there. For the reasons stated, that will guarentee at least an extra 50k possible customers a week.

When the first stadium came to light, I actually worked for Burswood and they had a whole speech to us about the submission they put in to get it done there.

 

[westcoastin]

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A couple of weeks ago on 6pr, someone mentioned a very practical idea that would pretty much self fund a new stadium. They said to divide the stadium into 3 precincts:
1) The stadium itself 60,000 - 80,000 capacity
2) A large shopping complex with restaurants/bars etc
3) A 4 star hotel
You would also have a sunken train station below the "mega-complex" for easy public access. By having a shopping mall and hotel operating 7 days a week would generate a lot more money than a single stadium would. Apparently this is a proven concept working effectively in the US and I'm perplexed as to why it hasn't been thrown up as an idea for Perth. Just think, the missus could go clothes shopping on a Thurs night whilst u watch the boys train... it's a win win for everyone!

 

[Geoffe_Miles]

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The eagles and dockers haven't seemed exactly keen on the idea but i have been surprised that they aren't just downright opposed to it and vehemently arguing against it. Lets look at the realities here.

Imagine if we could just wave a wand and create a new 65,000 seat stadium at the end of this season to use for 2011. How many of the eagles curent 40,000 members would renew their membership for 2011 if they knew that they could decide not to renew it and instead just pick the individual games they wanted to go in 2011 and buy match tickets the week before and they could also buy back their membership at any point in the future if they decided they wanted to? I reckon less than half.

If we had a stadium big enough that people in Perth that our members could get match tickets to any game they wanted, as is the case with Melbourne clubs with the exception of a handful of sold out games each year, we would have less than 20k members next year in my opinion. Imagine what a turnaround in the clubs finances and power that would be.

 

[Ochre]

Re: New Stadium - Time for Cautious Optimism?

The eagles and dockers haven't seemed exactly keen on the idea but i have been surprised that they aren't just downright opposed to it and vehemently arguing against it. Lets look at the realities here.

if they came out and argued against it, they would piss off every member on the waiting list, causing most of them to jump off

 

[Marlin01]

Re: New Stadium - Time for Cautious Optimism?

The eagles and dockers haven't seemed exactly keen on the idea but i have been surprised that they aren't just downright opposed to it and vehemently arguing against it. Lets look at the realities here.

Imagine if we could just wave a wand and create a new 65,000 seat stadium at the end of this season to use for 2011. How many of the eagles curent 40,000 members would renew their membership for 2011 if they knew that they could decide not to renew it and instead just pick the individual games they wanted to go in 2011 and buy match tickets the week before and they could also buy back their membership at any point in the future if they decided they wanted to? I reckon less than half.

If we had a stadium big enough that people in Perth that our members could get match tickets to any game they wanted, as is the case with Melbourne clubs with the exception of a handful of sold out games each year, we would have less than 20k members next year in my opinion. Imagine what a turnaround in the clubs finances and power that would be.

That's why I think we'll see an incremental redevelopment of Subi Oval.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

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I support the Eagles in the AFL and always will do, but if we had a 60K or 70K stadium there is no way I would fork out to be a member.

The Eagles are a corporate conglamorate and have enough money, they could not give two hoots about there members and the only reason i am a member is to guarentee i get a seat to AFL games. And because I am heavily involved with A Grade amatuer football then I go to only Sunday games only and give my tickets to friends or family.

I would much rather give my money to West Perth who actually need and appreciate my support than the WCE.

Bring on the new stadium and give us a choice of what we want to invest in football, right now we are dictatored to by our own club who really could not care less what we think.

Anyone who thinks differently seriously needs to open their eyes.

I wish it was different but thats the reality

 

[Geoffe_Miles]

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if they came out and argued against it, they would piss off every member on the waiting list, causing most of them to jump off

Not trying to be arrogant and offend people on that waiting list but from a logical point of view you have to ask - why are they bothering? Given the current rate of membership turnover unless you are really close to the front of the queue you are not going to get a membership untill a new stadium is built. And if and when that stadium is built everybody who wants a membership will be able to get one anyway and there won't be any reward for having spent years and hundreds of dollars being on that waiting list. The waiting list is a scam.

We won't get a new stadium unless we get the World Cup and the federal government pays for it and personally i think the Australian media is leading the uninformed public up the garden path and painting a very rosy picture that is very far removed from reality about our chances of winning the world cup. We are simply not a big enough player on the political stage of soccer politics to get a world cup.

 

[larrikin]

Re: New Stadium - Time for Cautious Optimism?

The eagles and dockers haven't seemed exactly keen on the idea but i have been surprised that they aren't just downright opposed to it and vehemently arguing against it. Lets look at the realities here.

Imagine if we could just wave a wand and create a new 65,000 seat stadium at the end of this season to use for 2011. How many of the eagles curent 40,000 members would renew their membership for 2011 if they knew that they could decide not to renew it and instead just pick the individual games they wanted to go in 2011 and buy match tickets the week before and they could also buy back their membership at any point in the future if they decided they wanted to? I reckon less than half.

If we had a stadium big enough that people in Perth that our members could get match tickets to any game they wanted, as is the case with Melbourne clubs with the exception of a handful of sold out games each year, we would have less than 20k members next year in my opinion. Imagine what a turnaround in the clubs finances and power that would be.

Mark Barnaba said that not having a new stadium is his biggest dissapointment from his time as Chairman. The club want it.

 

[Geoffe_Miles]

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I support the Eagles in the AFL and always will do, but if we had a 60K or 70K stadium there is no way I would fork out to be a member.

The Eagles are a corporate conglamorate and have enough money, they could not give two hoots about there members and the only reason i am a member is to guarentee i get a seat to AFL games. And because I am heavily involved with A Grade amatuer football then I go to only Sunday games only and give my tickets to friends or family.

I would much rather give my money to West Perth who actually need and appreciate my support than the WCE.

Bring on the new stadium and give us a choice of what we want to invest in football, right now we are dictatored to by our own club who really could not care less what we think.

Anyone who thinks differently seriously needs to open their eyes.

I wish it was different but thats the reality

I have been a member for 20 years and i will always renew my membership because i think that if you have the option of buying a membership and financially supporting your club and you don't then you are not a real supporter. Like people in melbourne that claim to be the worlds biggest supporter of club xyz but don't buy a membership and only but tickets to one game a year if that but then carry on pork chops and blame the AFL when their club is on the verge of going bankrupt.

But i must say that i will be very relieved when Nisbett and Worsfold are gone and replaced by less arrogant club leaders who do actually value, appreciate and communicate honestly with their membership base like say Jeff Kennett at Hawthorn and David Smorgon at the Bulldogs.

I will also be glad when the when we get a CEO with some intelligence and some ideas about how to spend the money they get from people like me buying memberships in a way that furthers the club and derives some advantages over the rest of the comp for us. For example, state of the art facilities, a development program with more staff and better qualified staff so it is on a par with clubs like Collingwood, a more bigger and better qualified recruitment dept, pre season altitude training like Collingwood etc. With that useless muppet Nisbett in charge we have fallen way behind in innovation and best practices and the most intelligent thing he can think to spend the money he is swimming in on is to waste it paying, or i should say overpaying, inexperienced staff in peripheral positions like Scott Burns as assistant coach more money than most senior coaches at other clubs get. I can't wait untill dumb and dumber, or i could say arrogant and arroganter, have left the building.