Newman axed amongst other list changes

Freight Train · Oct 30, 2015

happy_eagle said:
Really?
The guy averaged 12 disposals and 1 goal a game in the WAFL this year, and has been on our list for 4 years

Actually, that is a fair call. I assumed his poor form was due to coming out of prison, but if not, yeah, tough to justify retaining him I suppose.

Adzam · Oct 30, 2015

Forget the Stats said:
We are definitely not taking any prisoners it seems.
Seriously though I'm surprised by the changes.

Or any ex-prisoners for that matter.

Here2tellyouwhy · Oct 30, 2015

Maybe Simmo never had and still doesn't rate Newman?

Spank2304 · Oct 30, 2015

dajesmac said:
Yeah thought this was weird too. What Kane Lucas provides over Newman I struggle to see.

Hope Newman gets picked up somewhere else and forges a career. Even if it is in the purple.

Lucas was chopping it up late in the year in the WAFL whereas Newman's performances were pretty hit and miss... If the eagles viewed Newman as a midfielder and not as a small forward (which he didnt play much of) then I can understand why he got cut. Lucas aint no world beater but a fair bit more consistent

Prem87 · Oct 30, 2015

WCErevival said:
It doesn't say we are anywhere. On the Eagles site it says we will rookie Colledge and Waterman providing they are still available. All it says about Newman is he was delisted and Vozzo saying thankyou for their contribution.

Vozzo says in the clip on the eagles website that they're looking to pick up (re-rookie) Colledge and Newman. Re-listen to it.

Prem87 · Oct 30, 2015

Newman's finger/hand injury limited him a lot.

dajesmac · Oct 30, 2015

Prem87 said:
Vozzo says in the clip on the eagles website that they're looking to pick up (re-rookie) Colledge and Newman. Re-listen to it.

Why delist Newman in the first place? Doesn't make any sense. He's gawn.

Carbine Chaos · Oct 30, 2015

Did they not see the awesome goal that he would have kicked against the Crows had Hill not ****ed it up for him? Getting rid of class while keeping amateur standard players like McGinnity on the list is shit management.

Seriously, McGinnity is a shit player and is not worthy of a spot. GET RID OF HIM.

dajesmac · Oct 30, 2015

Spank2304 said:
Lucas was chopping it up late in the year in the WAFL whereas Newman's performances were pretty hit and miss... If the eagles viewed Newman as a midfielder and not as a small forward (which he didnt play much of) then I can understand why he got cut. Lucas aint no world beater but a fair bit more consistent

Chopping it up is relative, Newman regardless is still much closer to being an AFL applicable talent than Lucas and Colledge.

Delisting Waterman aswell is bizarre. The only acceptable explanation for this would be that his illness is career threatening.

iLikeIt · Oct 30, 2015

Prem87 said:
Vozzo says in the clip on the eagles website that they're looking to pick up (re-rookie) Colledge and Newman. Re-listen to it.

Yeah you are right. Says "we'll be looking at Murray at Tunners in the rookie draft". wtf? I don't get why they'd delist Newman only to select him again??? Obviously an attempt to distract us BigFooty people while they scheme something else.

QS · Oct 30, 2015

equiv_clearly said:
Waterman is no talent, I don't understand the interest on this board for him. Colledge is a list clogger and I'd rather keep Lucas on the list anyway, don't see either of them ever getting a regular game though.

Newman is obviously short of character and probably talent as well, was picked too high in the end.

Tunbridge just hasn't shown anything.....and we don't have a need for him. Maybe somebody else will pick him up.

McGinnity can play a role and gets the most out of whatever talent he has. While surprising, I like the changes... no point clogging up our list with spuds. And someone sharking Waterman? Give me a spell. If another AFL club picks him up i'll do something drastic.

Agreed with all of this.

WCErevival · Oct 30, 2015

Remember when they said to newman wait and see? They were probably talking about the rookie draft. Id say he is good as gone but may get a lifeline if there is absolutely nothing available

QS · Oct 30, 2015

Eastern Rangers said:
Or the message is. Forget about player development, lets just turn the list over until we strike gold.

You can polish shit all you like etc..

Spank2304 · Oct 30, 2015

dajesmac said:
Chopping it up is relative, Newman regardless is still much closer to being an AFL applicable talent than Lucas and Colledge.

Delisting Waterman aswell is bizarre. The only acceptable explanation for this would be that his illness is career threatening.

Lucas was averaged just shy of 24 disposals a game and finished 3rd in the royal B&F. As I said before he isn't a world beater but he was pretty consistent. What makes you think Newman was much closer to being AFL applicable talent? From what I've seen he's in and out of WAFL games up forward and not much better in the middle. He does chime in with the odd very good game but to avg it out over a season I'd give Lucas the nod over him. Of course this all just my opinion, just surprised there is so much love for him given his body of work.

QS · Oct 30, 2015

thorne89 said:
Did they not see the awesome goal that he would have kicked against the Crows had Hill not ****ed it up for him? Getting rid of class while keeping amateur standard players like McGinnity on the list is shit management.

Seriously, McGinnity is a shit player and is not worthy of a spot. GET RID OF HIM.

To be fair it was party time against the crows by then... he was pretty ordinary at WAFL level.. Think Simmo is pretty keen on guys performing to stay on the list, we've had over the last few years some ordinary players turning out for EP (and whoever they played for before that alliance) and playing like poo. Our bottom end sucked, if not blew.

Carbine Chaos · Oct 30, 2015

QS said:
To be fair it was party time against the crows by then... he was pretty ordinary at WAFL level.. Think Simmo is pretty keen on guys performing to stay on the list, we've had over the last few years some ordinary players turning out for EP (and whoever they played for before that alliance) and playing like poo. Our bottom end sucked, if not blew.

If players performing was important then Powell would still be on our list and Karpany wouldn't be.

Going to have a beer and a tantrum to chill.

Crimson King · Oct 30, 2015

iLikeIt said:
Yeah you are right. Says "we'll be looking at Murray at Tunners in the rookie draft". wtf? I don't get why they'd delist Newman only to select him again??? Obviously an attempt to distract us BigFooty people while they scheme something else.

I took his comment as they will only look to re-rookie both Newman and Tunners if nothing else is available in the rookie draft, i.e - if there are particular players still available that are on our radar, we will pick them over Newman and Tunners.

WCErevival · Oct 30, 2015

Spank2304 said:
Lucas was averaged just shy of 24 disposals a game and finished 3rd in the royal B&F. As I said before he isn't a world beater but he was pretty consistent. What makes you think Newman was much closer to being AFL applicable talent? From what I've seen he's in and out of WAFL games up forward and not much better in the middle. He does chime in with the odd very good game but to avg it out over a season I'd give Lucas the nod over him. Of course this all just my opinion, just surprised there is so much love for him given his body of work.

I agree. Lucas gets a lot of flack but he is purely injury depth similar to Giles. He does reasonably well at wafl level, is mature and has 40 games of AFL experience.

dajesmac · Oct 30, 2015

Spank2304 said:
Lucas was averaged just shy of 24 disposals a game and finished 3rd in the royal B&F. As I said before he isn't a world beater but he was pretty consistent. What makes you think Newman was much closer to being AFL applicable talent? From what I've seen he's in and out of WAFL games up forward and not much better in the middle. He does chime in with the odd very good game but to avg it out over a season I'd give Lucas the nod over him. Of course this all just my opinion, just surprised there is so much love for him given his body of work.

Lucas can find the ball but his ball use is average, he's small, he's one dimensional and he just doesn't hurt teams. Newman struggled with consistency with his production this year but some of that can be attributed to being injured for half the year and missing most of the last two years. What he does have is speed and skill, he's good overhead, has clean hands and good goal sense. Give me 15 Newman touches a game over 35 Lucas or Colledge touches.

Look I'm not saying Newman was a monty to make it, far from it, but I am always in favour of retaining those who have a reasonable chance of making it over limited guys with very little chance of making it. Seriously I think Mags, Waterman and Newman should all have been retained over Colledge, McGinnity and Lucas.

QS · Oct 30, 2015

thorne89 said:
If players performing was important then Powell would still be on our list and Karpany wouldn't be.

Going to have a beer and a tantrum to chill.

Agree, but must be a reason why they've kept Karps. You gotta admit, our bottom end was pretty ****ing useless though cf Hawks.

iLikeIt · Oct 30, 2015

Crimson King said:
I took his comment as they will only look to re-rookie both Newman and Tunners if nothing else is available in the rookie draft, i.e - if there are particular players still available that are on our radar, we will pick them over Newman and Tunners.

Yeah I think you are probably right. But I am still hoping for some secret scheme that's also going on.

fidstar · Oct 30, 2015

Eastern Rangers said:
At this rate he'll come back and play good football next year and then get delisted anyway.

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I was surprised by some of the decisions, but none of the players cut played well this season, so you're off the mark there.

the harry · Oct 30, 2015

QS said:
To be fair it was party time against the crows by then... he was pretty ordinary at WAFL level.. Think Simmo is pretty keen on guys performing to stay on the list, we've had over the last few years some ordinary players turning out for EP (and whoever they played for before that alliance) and playing like poo. Our bottom end sucked, if not blew.

I've never seen McGinnity or Lucas do anything to indicate they are even likely to impact an AFL game to any great extent.

Not a fan of today's events at all.

QS · Oct 30, 2015

the harry said:
I've never seen McGinnity or Lucas do anything to indicate they are even likely to impact an AFL game to any great extent.

Not a fan of today's events at all.

McGinnity is at least AFL standard (and at least can play a role, albeit mediocrely) and assume (at a reach) Lucas would be too if required. Newman has done SFA in his time with us and likewise Colledge. Waterman stiff but I can see what they are doing. The guys that were delisted added no further value to us as a force.. we are in a window, we don't need list cloggers. Harsh, but true.

QS · Oct 30, 2015

I think we need to have a little bit more trust in the decision making of the club now ... shall I point you to the pessimist thread? http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/official-unofficial-2015-predictions-thread.1091132/page-3

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