Next Generation

[AlwaysHawks15]

We should resist comparing the development of fast bowlers to batsmen anyway. Simply not the same game.

We should also resist doing what England do. What have they achieved exactly? They go for the out-of-the-box picks because there is no normal option.

When it works though they can absolutely hammer teams which they have to NZ, 2nd test was as 1 sided a match as you could see. Dominated bat and ball. We have similar pitches here in Australia but bigger grounds. Would be harder to to K the ball to all parts on big grounds which makes the Ashes next year must watch viewing.

 

[RightWingRoo]

De Kock was more a Gilly clone than the other two you mentioned. He was good enough to be in the team as a specialist batsman like Gilly. Right now we have a keeper batsman of the Marsh or Healy style in Carey and that's ok as long as he contributes consistently and not once in a while.

Unfortunate that De Kock has quit international cricket at a young age. Won't get to see what his ultimate ceiling was as a cricketer.
Extremely damaging on his day like Gilly, but didn't have the sustained brilliance. That may have come if he didn't retire before his peak though.

 

[eth-dog]

Doing a 25 and under side as of October first (start of the traditional summer):

Sam Konstas
Campbell Kellaway
Jayden Goodwin
Teague Wyllie
Jason Sangha
Aaron Hardie
Baxter Holt (+)
Will Sutherland (c)
Xavier Bartlett
Fergus O'Neill
Todd Murphy

Holt I'm not crazy about but he's the only keeper eligible who's played FC cricket. You could swap O'Neill for Tanveer Sangha in India easily. Other notable players to watch are Ollie Peake and Davies (although I still don't rate his technique).

 

[Trojan90]

Doing a 25 and under side as of October first (start of the traditional summer):

Sam Konstas
Campbell Kellaway
Jayden Goodwin
Teague Wyllie
Jason Sangha
Aaron Hardie
Baxter Holt (+)
Will Sutherland (c)
Xavier Bartlett
Fergus O'Neill
Todd Murphy

Holt I'm not crazy about but he's the only keeper eligible who's played FC cricket. You could swap O'Neill for Tanveer Sangha in India easily. Other notable players to watch are Ollie Peake and Davies (although I still don't rate his technique).

TBH i have more hope in this crop than i had doing this activity in past years, say in the last 15 years. Probably since the Hughes/Khawaja/Maddinson days.

 

[eth-dog]

TBH i have more hope in this crop than i had doing this activity in past years, say in the last 15 years. Probably since the Hughes/Khawaja/Maddinson days.

Konstas and Goodwin I really like for the batting. Hardie if he stays on the park. Bowling is strong too.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Wondering why we haven't looked at Renshaw for the ODI team, has been building a good record in one day domestic cricket

He's overall record is pretty good. Averages 37 at shield level but has very good ODI numbers that suggests he should be in the mix. In fact it's a lot better than at least half of the guys who are in the team. Keep fronting up and posting decent runs at a good clip and he will get a call up IMO.

 

[The hands of stone]

Very true. One of my sons was in the fancy academy system for a while. The batters were instructed to move the game along at all times. They said the days of people batting all day for 80 runs are dead.

Think I've mentioned here before .

One of our coaches in premier cricket coached us to open the face and and work through gully , or work legside square early in our innings .
We won the flag , a few of the guys got into the state squad after big years .

The coach has gone on to coach in the BBL and involved in IPL and the like.

This was 20 years ago . The tried and true basics of batting that @Westernroyboy talks about ( and is 100% spot on ) and I coach is now very much viewed as boring.

 

[Coops93]

We should resist comparing the development of fast bowlers to batsmen anyway. Simply not the same game.

We should also resist doing what England do. What have they achieved exactly? They go for the out-of-the-box picks because there is no normal option.

Physical development is different to the media/social pressure as well as being broken by an elite opposition which is the apparent concern. Not ability to physically stand up. Cummins was able to thrive in the pressure of playing against arguably the 2nd best team of that era, if not the best.

They have a bloke who's going to end up with the most test runs in history thanks to picking him when young and not being worried he'll be broken. Similarly, they have the 2nd best batter in the world (2nd to the aforementioned Root) currently in Brook, again backing him in when young. They seem to have hit on one in Bethel too, at least through 2 tests. Jury clearly still out but he's done about as well as possible through 2 games.

There's no normal option for us, either. Unless picking guys with averages in the mid 30s that bat at 4 to open in tests is the normal option. Konstas wasn't/isn't/wouldn't be an out of the box option, he's been the form opener (batter even) in the country at a time we were searching for an opener.

 

[Coops93]

Doing a 25 and under side as of October first (start of the traditional summer):

Sam Konstas
Campbell Kellaway
Jayden Goodwin
Teague Wyllie
Jason Sangha
Aaron Hardie
Baxter Holt (+)
Will Sutherland (c)
Xavier Bartlett
Fergus O'Neill
Todd Murphy

Holt I'm not crazy about but he's the only keeper eligible who's played FC cricket. You could swap O'Neill for Tanveer Sangha in India easily. Other notable players to watch are Ollie Peake and Davies (although I still don't rate his technique).

Sangha over Davies? I think Davies deserves a spot over a couple there tbf.

Davies has a better FC average by 14 runs and in 42 fewer innings only has 2 fewer centuries (Was only 1 a week ago). Sangha up until now has been a real disappointment by almost every measure. Bright start but has been disgustingly out of form for years now, hopefully his move to SA and his last game of 100 & 50 in the same game kickstart him back to that early career form. In fewer FC games Davies has Willey comfortably covered in every batting metric.

I don't see why people aren't liking Davies more. I don't always love his technique either, but of the sub 25yr old players his record is the best.

 

[eth-dog]

Sangha over Davies? I think Davies deserves a spot over a couple there tbf.

Davies has a better FC average by 14 runs and in 42 fewer innings only has 2 fewer centuries (Was only 1 a week ago). Sangha up until now has been a real disappointment by almost every measure. Bright start but has been disgustingly out of form for years now, hopefully his move to SA and his last game of 100 & 50 in the same game kickstart him back to that early career form. In fewer FC games Davies has Willey comfortably covered in every batting metric.

I don't see why people aren't liking Davies more. I don't always love his technique either, but of the sub 25yr old players his record is the best.

Davies has a technique that you could drive a semi trailer through. I don't see Davies making it at test level without major changes in his technique. The other two I'm far from sold on but there is a chance for them IMO.

Watch Davies' average plummet over the next couple of years.

 

[Coops93]

Davies has a technique that you could drive a semi trailer through. I don't see Davies making it at test level without major changes in his technique. The other two I'm far from sold on but there is a chance for them IMO.

Watch Davies' average plummet over the next couple of years.

Despite the flaws he's the best under 25 bat in the country based on actual runs. I agree with technique concerns but based off tangible evidence, when putting together an 11 of under 25s, putting guys like Wyllie (who isn't even getting a FC game) or Sangha in over him despite clearly worse records is unfair.

 

[eth-dog]

Despite the flaws he's the best under 25 bat in the country based on actual runs. I agree with technique concerns but based off tangible evidence, when putting together an 11 of under 25s, putting guys like Wyllie (who isn't even getting a FC game) or Sangha in over him despite clearly worse records is unfair.

Is it? It's about putting together a team I think most likely make it due to what I've seen. You're allowed to have Davies in your side based on what you've seen.

I think all of the players in my top 6 are a better chance of making it at test level than Davies.

 

[Coops93]

Is it? It's about putting together a team I think most likely make it due to what I've seen. You're allowed to have Davies in your side based on what you've seen.

I think all of the players in my top 6 are a better chance of making it at test level than Davies.

If it's hypothetical projection of who might be then that's fine to leave out whoever you want, I'd probably not have Davies in there either, if so maybe he'd sneak in at no.5/6 if he's lucky.

If it's the best current under 25s as they are now then I don't think it is, tangibly he's streets ahead of most of the top 6.

 

[Around the Wicket]

Doing a 25 and under side as of October first (start of the traditional summer):

Sam Konstas
Campbell Kellaway
Jayden Goodwin
Teague Wyllie
Jason Sangha
Aaron Hardie
Baxter Holt (+)
Will Sutherland (c)
Xavier Bartlett
Fergus O'Neill
Todd Murphy

Holt I'm not crazy about but he's the only keeper eligible who's played FC cricket. You could swap O'Neill for Tanveer Sangha in India easily. Other notable players to watch are Ollie Peake and Davies (although I still don't rate his technique).

Jason Sangha makes it on the back of 1 good game LMAO... the fact is he burst on to the scene as a teenager getting compared to Ponting and currently averaging 29 after 40 FC games and is now 25.... lets not get carried away.

 

[big_e]

Physical development is different to the media/social pressure as well as being broken by an elite opposition which is the apparent concern. Not ability to physically stand up. Cummins was able to thrive in the pressure of playing against arguably the 2nd best team of that era, if not the best.

They have a bloke who's going to end up with the most test runs in history thanks to picking him when young and not being worried he'll be broken. Similarly, they have the 2nd best batter in the world (2nd to the aforementioned Root) currently in Brook, again backing him in when young. They seem to have hit on one in Bethel too, at least through 2 tests. Jury clearly still out but he's done about as well as possible through 2 games.

There's no normal option for us, either. Unless picking guys with averages in the mid 30s that bat at 4 to open in tests is the normal option. Konstas wasn't/isn't/wouldn't be an out of the box option, he's been the form opener (batter even) in the country at a time we were searching for an opener.

Root was a week short of his 22nd birthday and had two full seasons of county cricket under his belt before being picked for England. Much more solid grounding than Konstas.

 

[Gough]

Root was a week short of his 22nd birthday and had two full seasons of county cricket under his belt before being picked for England. Much more solid grounding than Konstas.

One of big narratives of next summer will be can Joe Root finally get a hundred here.

 

[eth-dog]

Jason Sangha makes it on the back of 1 good game LMAO... the fact is he burst on to the scene as a teenager getting compared to Ponting and currently averaging 29 after 40 FC games and is now 25.... lets not get carried away.

As I've said earlier, I'm basing it on what I've seen of them, their techniques and how likely they'll succeed at test level in my opinion. I think Sangha's technique puts him ahead of the likes of Davies and Edwards, and I haven't seen enough of Ollie Peake, WA's Curtis (although he jumps Holt for keeping as I forgot about him and the WA selectors see him ahead) or any of those other prospects to put them in the side.

 

[western royboy]

As I've said earlier, I'm basing it on what I've seen of them, their techniques and how likely they'll succeed at test level in my opinion. I think Sangha's technique puts him ahead of the likes of Davies and Edwards, and I haven't seen enough of Ollie Peake, WA's Curtis (although he jumps Holt for keeping as I forgot about him and the WA selectors see him ahead) or any of those other prospects to put them in the side.

Ollie Peake will play Test Cricket - he’s a jet - technically very sound

 

[eth-dog]

Ollie Peake will play Test Cricket - he’s a jet - technically very sound

Yeah I've seen a bit and I really like what I've seen but I haven't seen enough yet.

 

[Around the Wicket]

As I've said earlier, I'm basing it on what I've seen of them, their techniques and how likely they'll succeed at test level in my opinion. I think Sangha's technique puts him ahead of the likes of Davies and Edwards, and I haven't seen enough of Ollie Peake, WA's Curtis (although he jumps Holt for keeping as I forgot about him and the WA selectors see him ahead) or any of those other prospects to put them in the side.

so if he didn't score 210 runs in the last Shield game he still makes your list?

 

[eth-dog]

so if he didn't score 210 runs in the last Shield game he still makes your list?

Probably, yeah. I was trying to think of other options, but all came up short for me. There's one kid I've seen rise through my local club that I have earmarked for a couple of years from now but he hasn't even made his 1st XI debut for St Kilda yet so can't really justify his place. Cooper Rojko if you're interested western royboy

 

[MisterMarcus]

Despite the flaws he's the best under 25 bat in the country based on actual runs. I agree with technique concerns but based off tangible evidence, when putting together an 11 of under 25s, putting guys like Wyllie (who isn't even getting a FC game) or Sangha in over him despite clearly worse records is unfair.

He’s had a mediocre start to this season, and seems to be developing an annoying habit of making a bright start then gifting his wicket away with a dumb decision

 

[western royboy]

Physical development is different to the media/social pressure as well as being broken by an elite opposition which is the apparent concern. Not ability to physically stand up. Cummins was able to thrive in the pressure of playing against arguably the 2nd best team of that era, if not the best.

They have a bloke who's going to end up with the most test runs in history thanks to picking him when young and not being worried he'll be broken. Similarly, they have the 2nd best batter in the world (2nd to the aforementioned Root) currently in Brook, again backing him in when young. They seem to have hit on one in Bethel too, at least through 2 tests. Jury clearly still out but he's done about as well as possible through 2 games.

There's no normal option for us, either. Unless picking guys with averages in the mid 30s that bat at 4 to open in tests is the normal option. Konstas wasn't/isn't/wouldn't be an out of the box option, he's been the form opener (batter even) in the country at a time we were searching for an opener.

Go look at the footage of Joe Root playing as a 12 year old - he’s playing the same - it’s distinctive but he’s technically correct. Follow his pathway, Yorkshire Academy, County 2nds, two years of County Cricket - 4 years in total playing against hardened cricketers all wanting to take him down.

Our system used to be like this, its not anymore and what is missing is the hardness.

Konstas looks a great prospect - no doubt.

But against that the very same people that are pushing him pushed Sangha to me 6 years ago. So I would rather see a bit more rather than cook him too early.

I’m very keen on Ollie Peake, he reminds me very much of Michael Clarke at a similar age. He’s technically as good as I have seen.

Either way we need both of them to come through because of the people listed in all of this above not many jump at me and give the indication they will make it as a red ball player. Plenty of white ball slappers, but the only one that could be our next generation player is Peake based upon what i have seen with my own eyes.

 

[Coops93]

All this talk of Ollie Peake is getting me excited.

 

[RookiePick]

All this talk of Ollie Peake is getting me excited.

Ollie piqued?