Next Generation

[toml]

Keep an eye out for Steven Hogan in the upcoming under 19 carnival. Only just turned 17 and is making Qld premier cricket tons. Made close to 450 runs in last year's under 17 carnival, a 100 for the Aus u19's in India the week after his 17th birthday a few months back. Will be hearing his and Ollie Peake'a name a lot in the coming years.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Maybe, but Clark has also been quite vocal about the importance of Premier and FC cricket form.

That's fair I was just surprised he said it as pointedly and publicly as that because he's normally one like Copeland to be measured on tv/radio and then deliver it behind closed doors. Sounds like he's upset with someone at CA specifically.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I love Adam Zampa, genuine space cadet and great in short format but boy do I rate Stuart Clark getting on the attack here. Imagine how frustrating it is for Sangha and other guys in premier cricket when this stuff occurs driven by CA. As a poster mentioned earlier, if Zampa or CA want him in tests, get him to commute to premier clubs in SEQLD and or play for the bulls.

To be fair (and this is a separate issue to the one Clark is raising in regards to CA interference) but a) if NSW wanted sangha in they could simply have dropped green who doesn't set the world on fire and isn't on a state deal (as he declined one) and b) I'm not sure on his current form tanveer merits shield games anyway.

So it's not really zampa keeping him out at all but I get the broader point re selection integrity. On the other bit I don't think zampa would commute so it doesn't work (and the bulls wouldn't take him anyway).

 

[Black Diamond]

That's fair I was just surprised he said it as pointedly and publicly as that because he's normally one like Copeland to be measured on tv/radio and then deliver it behind closed doors. Sounds like he's upset with someone at CA specifically.

I just wasn't that surprised. This was true to form for him. And he was correct. Right to say it? Less clear.

 

[sabso]

‘We were told he had to play’: State selector says Blues were forced to pick Adam Zampa

The decision to parachute Adam Zampa in for a Sheffield Shield match has caused a major stir, with fingers being pointed at Cricket Australia.

www.theage.com.au

sounds like a "he said/she said" (so to speak) argument about the version of events for NSW picking Zampa in the Shield.

Re Zampa, the Stat Gods™ say he is the worst specialist bowler with FC experience currently playing.
Source: cricinfo FC worst bowling averages, qual: batting average <25, min 8000 balls.

 

[western royboy]

Re Zampa, the Stat Gods™ say he is the worst specialist bowler with FC experience currently playing.
Source: cricinfo FC worst bowling averages, qual: batting average <25, min 8000 balls.

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Probably because he doesn’t turn the ball - which highlights the bizarreness of it all

 

[Broar]

I love Adam Zampa, genuine space cadet and great in short format but boy do I rate Stuart Clark getting on the attack here. Imagine how frustrating it is for Sangha and other guys in premier cricket when this stuff occurs driven by CA. As a poster mentioned earlier, if Zampa or CA want him in tests, get him to commute to premier clubs in SEQLD and or play for the bulls.

How much grade cricket/training sessions do Smith, Cummins, Hazlewood & Starc, etc turn up to? If CA parachute one of those guys into a shield match I doubt NSW would be complaining about younger players missing out...

 

[corbies]

You don't really need to be able to turn the ball playing in Sri Lanka (which is the tour they're targeting for Zampa) as a spinner. The pitch will turn it for you. It's much more important to be accurate.

 

[sabso]

You don't really need to be able to turn the ball playing in Sri Lanka (which is the tour they're targeting for Zampa) as a spinner. The pitch will turn it for you. It's much more important to be accurate.

If you're accurate you might take wickets for less than 46 runs a pop.

 

[Dragz]

I saw a great presentation from a child (now adult) of Italian migrants who pointed out that his parents had many positive experiences with cricket at school in their first impression of Australia. PE lessons, clinics, carnival days, recess & lunch. They didn't play club cricket themselves but they knew what the game was and liked it.

Fast forward a generation and their children play. The parents are happy for them to play the sport because of the groundwork done in the past.

Are we doing that work now?

My dad was also an immigrant from Italy and he loved watching cricket. Didn't play himself though, but he had it on the TV enough and would explain things to me when i was a kid that it kept my interest up.

Nowadays? I don't think i've seen an ad on commercial TV for a match. No catchy TV cricket songs. "Come on Aussie" etc etc.
Now summer is coming, i'll take my young'un over to school ground and bowl a bunch of balls at him, but it's hard to keep their interest these days :/

 

[corbies]

If you're accurate you might take wickets for less than 46 runs a pop.

If you don't think Zampa is an accurate bowler I really don't know what you are watching.

 

[big_e]

Re Zampa, the Stat Gods™ say he is the worst specialist bowler with FC experience currently playing.
Source: cricinfo FC worst bowling averages, qual: batting average <25, min 8000 balls.

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I'm as guilty as anyone in building an argument based on stats, but with Zampa, a lot of those F-C matches are a virtual lifetime ago, so I wonder how relevant they are. Given he's one of the best white-ball spinners we've ever had, I reckon giving him a few shield games to see how he goes at that level now is worth the effort. If he doesn't perform, then fine, but it can be judged on recent performance.

 

[sabso]

He’s 32 and he’s tracking like Brad hogg. Murphy, kuhnemann, sangha are better investments at this point.

 

[eth-dog]

I'd have:

Swepson, Sangha, Green, Lyon, Murphy, Kuhnemann, Pope, Manenti, Rocchiccioli and Agar as better red ball spinners in the country. He's not even in the top 10. But he's in line for a test tour? I mean...

 

[Black Diamond]

I'd have:

Swepson, Sangha, Green, Lyon, Murphy, Kuhnemann, Pope, Manenti, Rocchiccioli and Agar as better red ball spinners in the country. He's not even in the top 10. But he's in line for a test tour? I mean...

Swepson is often forgotten in these conversations but he is having a good season.

 

[sabso]

Only discounted swepson as an investment due to age but he’s up there.

BTW Lloyd pope is the goats red headed stepson

 

[eth-dog]

Swepson is often forgotten in these conversations but he is having a good season.

On a tour of Sri Lanka you'd be taking 4 or 5 spinners. Lyon, Murphy, Kuhnemann (I'd say these three are locks), and I'd take both Swepson and Tanveer.

WA people will whinge about Rocchiccioli not being there. The reason I don't have him is because he's a very similar bowler to Lyon and with Lyon being the incumbent it's rather pointless. Murphy is more round arm than the other two.

Honestly wouldn't take a second quick over.

 

[Cleavy]

On a tour of Sri Lanka you'd be taking 4 or 5 spinners. Lyon, Murphy, Kuhnemann (I'd say these three are locks), and I'd take both Swepson and Tanveer.

WA people will whinge about Rocchiccioli not being there. The reason I don't have him is because he's a very similar bowler to Lyon and with Lyon being the incumbent it's rather pointless. Murphy is more round arm than the other two.

Honestly wouldn't take a second quick over.

feels like 3 is the "magic number", maybe add 1 more if you wrangle a discount flight

 

[eth-dog]

feels like 3 is the "magic number", maybe add 1 more if you wrangle a discount flight

You play 3 spinners for me. No need for a second seamer when Lyon probably opens the bowling

 

[Black Diamond]

On another matter for which this is the best thread, for how long have we been using the dog thrower?

I am very skeptical of this instrument. I do not recall it before Graeme Hick joined the set up.

 

[western royboy]

On another matter for which this is the best thread, for how long have we been using the dog thrower?

I am very skeptical of this instrument. I do not recall it before Graeme Hick joined the set up.

Been around 10 years

 

[Black Diamond]

Been around 10 years

Have we been doing it for 10 years? I certainly remember England doing it for this long.

 

[eth-dog]

Been around 10 years

I'd say nearly 20. I recall it being used when I was a junior and I'm 32 now.

On another matter for which this is the best thread, for how long have we been using the dog thrower?

I am very skeptical of this instrument. I do not recall it before Graeme Hick joined the set up.

It's good for throwdowns. Gives a bit of extra pace on the ball without too much loss of accuracy

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I'd say nearly 20. I recall it being used when I was a junior and I'm 32 now.

It's good for throwdowns. Gives a bit of extra pace on the ball without too much loss of accuracy

Was it Virat Kohli who had his own personal "wanger" who threw balls to him and would travel with the team?