NFL NFL Gamepass

[aussiedude]

 

[Jatz]

Reminds me a bit of when Optus won the hosting rights for the Premier League.

That was horrible the first season.

 

[Exe Gesis]

vipleague has redzone as standard too.

 

[Brasher]

vipleague has redzone as standard too.

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You tried using IOS?

 

[Exe Gesis]

You tried using IOS?

I use android so havent used apple. But it should work still. Its a website. Just still use firefox mobile browser which you can download from apple store

 

[Chewy316]

Logged in on the DAZN website without any issues. The games I've watched and NFL Network are not streaming at full capacity. Reminds me of when ADSL was the standard internet connection and the players would be semi fuzzy. I have no issues with any other streaming platform and run Netflix etc all at 4K capabilities. The frustrating thing is when I log in through the DAZN platform, the streaming quality is shit. But if I log in through NFL Gamepass.com, the streaming quality is perfect.

For a product that is costing nearly $300, this is not good enough.

 

[Brasher]

Logged in on the DAZN website without any issues. The games I've watched and NFL Network are not streaming at full capacity. Reminds me of when ADSL was the standard internet connection and the players would be semi fuzzy. I have no issues with any other streaming platform and run Netflix etc all at 4K capabilities. The frustrating thing is when I log in through the DAZN platform, the streaming quality is s**t. But if I log in through NFL Gamepass.com, the streaming quality is perfect.

For a product that is costing nearly $300, this is not good enough.

Wait til they actually get some load on their servers during game day. If they can't handle 4k in June good luck in November.

Going to be a train wreck.

 

[rumply]

I created a new log in with dazn and selected a free gamepass sub, just highlights and nfln. But notice my dazn acct says i still havent finished signing up, requiring $14 a month sub to dazn itself.

Seems one has to still pay $14 a month to have a dazn acct, as well as $280 total for a full gamepass sub.

One huge money guzzler app, when you also factor in any pay per view events and other subs to other sports it may offer.

* that s**t

I suspected that might be the case when I asked you the other day how this dazn stuff was working. Ridiculous situation the NFL has created here.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Wait til they actually get some load on their servers during game day. If they can't handle 4k in June good luck in November.

Going to be a train wreck.

I assume the servers won't be specific to NFL though - dazn carries other sports although I assume most won't be running through summer. Come to think of it that will probably make it worse.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

I created a new log in with dazn and selected a free gamepass sub, just highlights and nfln. But notice my dazn acct says i still havent finished signing up, requiring $14 a month sub to dazn itself.

Seems one has to still pay $14 a month to have a dazn acct, as well as $280 total for a full gamepass sub.

One huge money guzzler app, when you also factor in any pay per view events and other subs to other sports it may offer.

* that s**t

Can you watch the free content though? I would assume they're trying to upsell you, there's no way you need to pay a monthly sub on top of the $280 annual sub. They are separate subs.

 

[Constantgin]

This whole situation just shows nfl doesn’t care about its international fans just about money which hopefully this leads to them losing lots of.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Can you watch the free content though? I would assume they're trying to upsell you, there's no way you need to pay a monthly sub on top of the $280 annual sub. They are separate subs.

I can watch, but if anyone is game or desperate enough to purchase the full gamepass 280 dollar sub, in the app, click on burger menu, then click your name and see if it tells you "your registration is not finished" and clicking that takes you to another page to finalize the monthly dazn service cost. See if it still requests that for you or not

 

[rumply]

I can watch, but if anyone is game or desperate enough to purchase the full gamepass 280 dollar sub, in the app, click on burger menu, then click your name and see if it tells you "your registration is not finished" and clicking that takes you to another page to finalize the monthly dazn service cost. See if it still requests that for you or not

Just has a reread of the NFL email about Dazn & it's very vague as to if it's one or both subs are required so I've emailed them (NFL) to find out. Not that I will be subscribing unless I hear very good things about Dazn well into the season & even then...

 

[aussiedude]

Wait til they actually get some load on their servers during game day. If they can't handle 4k in June good luck in November.

Going to be a train wreck.

The NFL doesnt even produce games in 4K [Fox do a few national games a year like Thanksgiving and a few playoff games in 2K HDR upscale to 4K]

But week 1 is going to be a bloodbath, remember when Gamepass changed platforms and it crashed for the 1PM games week 1 and didnt recover till like halftime of the early games. and only people who lodged a ticket got like $10 back and a NFL shop 15% discount code.

There is no real way for them to stress test since most people dont care about preseason games and they are staggered out over the weekends. Then week 1 when you have like 10 games kicking off at once.

I wouldnt be shocked if the platform is in such bad shape that week 1 its knocked over for the entire day, with people trying over and over on different devices to find a way in. Assuming there isnt a mass exodus because they know see that DAZN is a mess.

Overtier Operations has been ok, but Neulion [which at first i think was based on BAMTech] who did the first 2 versions of Gamepass were always the best platforms. But its all about money and i doubt either were close to the 10 year $1BN contract.

 

[Brasher]

The NFL doesnt even produce games in 4K [Fox do a few national games a year like Thanksgiving and a few playoff games in 2K HDR upscale to 4K]

But week 1 is going to be a bloodbath, remember when Gamepass changed platforms and it crashed for the 1PM games week 1 and didnt recover till like halftime of the early games. and only people who lodged a ticket got like $10 back and a NFL shop 15% discount code.

There is no real way for them to stress test since most people dont care about preseason games and they are staggered out over the weekends. Then week 1 when you have like 10 games kicking off at once.

I wouldnt be shocked if the platform is in such bad shape that week 1 its knocked over for the entire day, with people trying over and over on different devices to find a way in. Assuming there isnt a mass exodus because they know see that DAZN is a mess.

Overtier Operations has been ok, but Neulion [which at first i think was based on BAMTech] who did the first 2 versions of Gamepass were always the best platforms. But its all about money and i doubt either were close to the 10 year $1BN contract.

There is a direct correlation between server capability and profitability unfortunately. Providers will not over provision platform resources for customers preferring to stress out existing resources until users start complaining. Even if the provider's intentions are honorable, most of the capacity calculations will be theoretical and if there is one piece of professional advice you take with a grain of salt it is an IT Architect.

It's like a freeway expansion, until the traffic jams become unbearable no one commits to injecting more funds to fix the problem. Of course, all subscribers are locked in already so it doesn't even adversely affect revenue.

I'm still trying to work out why anyone should pay a monthly platform cost for the right to go select a specific service simply because it is a user portal. Like being charged to go onto ebay.

 

[Brasher]

Oh and a further update on my research.

The country level geo barring has not been introduced deliberately by the NFL.

It is a characteristic of the DAZN platform that was built to accommodate sports broadcasting deals where they do not secure global rights or where the governing body already has broadcasting deals in place and need to accommodate these.

The EU cross border capability of DAZN and now supported by the GamePass app has been inherited and now applied to the NFL policy.

Upshot....it may not be that easy to just turn on some global roaming feature for NFL fans, as it might be an architectural design feature of the platform itself. (e.g. you couldn't eliminate global roaming without inadvertently granting access to users subject to other broadcast deals - like running GamePass in the USA which is a no no).

 

[aussiedude]

I dont think servers are the bottleneck. they are given the dirty feel directly from the NFL.

Servers are why the archives have been cut back to 2021 [2016-2020 are 40min condensed versions only outside of playoff games]

 

[aussiedude]

Oh and a further update on my research.

The country level geo barring has not been introduced deliberately by the NFL.

It is a characteristic of the DAZN platform that was built to accommodate sports broadcasting deals where they do not secure global rights or where the governing body already has broadcasting deals in place and need to accommodate these.

The EU cross border capability of DAZN and now supported by the GamePass app has been inherited and now applied to the NFL policy.

Upshot....it may not be that easy to just turn on some global roaming feature for NFL fans, as it might be an architectural design feature of the platform itself. (e.g. you couldn't eliminate global roaming without inadvertently granting access to users subject to other broadcast deals - like running GamePass in the USA which is a no no).

The NFL knew. DAZN has been the host of "Gamepass" in Canada the last few years. Now its just a global thing outside of the US and blackouts on pay tv matches in the UK which apparently will still exist in UK markets.

They have platforms locked to regions regardless of event.

 

[aussiedude]

I agree its more ignorance by choice on the NFL's behalf rather than malicious.

Most of the blame is on DAZN, but its also not like the NFL needed the extra money to change platforms.

 

[Brasher]

The NFL knew. DAZN has been the host of "Gamepass" in Canada the last few years. Now its just a global thing outside of the US and blackouts on pay tv matches in the UK.

They may have known, yes, but they didn't set out to deliberately bar using the service whilst travelling....it's just viewing habits of Muppets like me they have little regard for.

 

[Brasher]

I dont think servers are the bottleneck. they are given the dirty feel directly from the NFL.

Servers are why the archives have been cut back to 2021 [2016-2020 are 40min condensed versions only outside of playoff games]

The feeds from source should be fine as it is a single thread of data from the field to the media hub. Its the inability to scale and support millions of threads at the same time for a small portion of the week that is the issue.

Unfortunately most of these providers us a hub and spoke design...that is, straight from their media center to the subscriber....ability to scale outbound threads for just a fraction of the week is critical and is the defining factor in the quality of a feed.

It differs from free to air where a service is pumped to the broadcaster and then they manage their own smaller segment of the viewers (edit: using a "dated" technology in signal broadcasting to boot....the ultimate scalability).

 

[Brasher]

I agree its more ignorance by choice on the NFL's behalf rather than malicious.

Most of the blame is on DAZN, but its also not like the NFL needed the extra money to change platforms.

It really is weird, I would have thought retaining control of their own assets would be a priority. A billion is nice but it is still a relative drop in the bucket to the NFL.

This smells more like an accounting decision (someone got the spreadsheets to prove how outsourcing this service making a few of their own employees redundant was a good thing).

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Oh yeah...that's $140 odd for full package

YOU'VE GOT AN UPGRADE​

As part of the move to DAZN, we are offering you Season Pro for the same price you paid for 2022 Season Essential. That’s all of 2023 NFL season including over 200 regular season games, highlights, Playoffs and Super Bowl LVIII, for the same price as last year.

 

[Brasher]

Oh yeah...that's $140 odd for full package

YOU'VE GOT AN UPGRADE​

As part of the move to DAZN, we are offering you Season Pro for the same price you paid for 2022 Season Essential. That’s all of 2023 NFL season including over 200 regular season games, highlights, Playoffs and Super Bowl LVIII, for the same price as last year.

Excellent for you. Meanwhile existing Pro providers get nothing. Probably provided the upgrade because their system can't manage lesser packages.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Excellent for you. Meanwhile existing Pro providers get nothing. Probably provided the upgrade because their system can't manage lesser packages.

It’s ridiculous that anyone who (actually) paid full price last year pays twice as much this year compared with last years Essential subscribers

 

[Brasher]

It’s ridiculous that anyone who (actually) paid full price last year pays twice as much this year compared with last years Essential subscribers

Hey could be up for as many as 4 (definitely 2) subscriptions this year if I have to go and get a sub for every country I'm likely to be in most Monday mornings.

This is personal payback for all those "work from home days" I've had the last decade.