NFNL Div 1 2020

[Regular Punter]

I’m hearing the season is done aswell. Not sure about a Friday decision.

I see the NFNL are doing a team of the decade. I had to laugh when the first group of players to choose from was defenders and Jai Robinson was in there. No even in the top 100 of the decade. And where is the Nolan Brothers from Heidelberg?

To be fair, they both were relatively done by 2010. Dale of course won with Lower Plenty in 2018 though, granted division 2. For mine the first 5 picked in the team of the decade from 2000-2009.

 

[roosterslife]

To be fair, they both were relatively done by 2010. Dale of course won with Lower Plenty in 2018 though, granted division 2. For mine the first 5 picked in the team of the decade from 2000-2009.

They were both still dominant until the end of 2013. It shows with best for Heidelberg , bnf results and both made teams of the year. Ahead of Plenty on that list

 

[kickthething]

The big risk for local footy is if not this year then when. The only major differentiator will be the production of a vaccine. The environment will not likely be any less safe or more safe in 2021 without a vaccine. The fear of going back out in the world is stifling a lot of decision making. Deciding to lockdown was easy, going back takes balls......at the moment, no one in Vic is prepared to make the first move. NRL and NSW Govt have outlined clear plans for a return to community football. We are frozen in fear, you can see it from the Govt as well as the AFL. Gil has done a commendable job, but to wait until everything is perfect really means you are waiting forever.

Players/officials can opt in or out, and decide the level of risk for themselves. Playing footy is not the only way you could potentially transmit the virus....go to Westfield on any day or walk around a park with all the joggers/walkers/ etc etc. Statistically players are in the lowest risk age brackets regarding the virus and its implications.

I have seen a lot of senior footy and been to a number of grounds in the NFNL.....surely you can socially distance the amount of people who attend. Most cluster around the beer tent/rooms and 60% of the perimeter of the ground is sparsely populated at best. You can definitely distance at local footy....limit games to grounds that are fenced or erect temp fencing stagger times to start earlier with bigger breaks between games, shorten half time and game time, u19s can go back to their junior days and kick the dew off the ground!!!, for people to spend some coin on a beer and a pie you can set up stations around the ground . It's not like we are catering 2-3 thousand people at a ground each week. We need leadership on this issue and Gil is not providing adequate leadership to his vast constituency atm. I am not suggesting it is easy, obviously it is not, however the lack of communication from the AFL is basically the biggest problem. No other league at any level can really make any move until they get their shite together.

On the side there is an update coming from the NAB league and AFL this afternoon (the second one during this time, which is something positive..those involved with the NAB League really been very good I must say) however it will not provide any light either, no one is prepared to say we are in or out, and that is what creates the most frustration and people walking away, particularly when they see other states moving forward (even it is just a perception)

I dont think there will be any football this season as well unfortunately, and I think this is the easy option, it appears trying to get back out on the park is too hard for too many. I feel like we are wasting some opportunities to get back though.

Thanks God we can play golf again. (Well I couldn't really play in any case before Covid, but the Government tells me I can now play golf so lets see!!!)

 

[roosterslife]

The big risk for local footy is if not this year then when. The only major differentiator will be the production of a vaccine. The environment will not likely be any less safe or more safe in 2021 without a vaccine. The fear of going back out in the world is stifling a lot of decision making. Deciding to lockdown was easy, going back takes balls......at the moment, no one in Vic is prepared to make the first move. NRL and NSW Govt have outlined clear plans for a return to community football. We are frozen in fear, you can see it from the Govt as well as the AFL. Gil has done a commendable job, but to wait until everything is perfect really means you are waiting forever.

Players/officials can opt in or out, and decide the level of risk for themselves. Playing footy is not the only way you could potentially transmit the virus....go to Westfield on any day or walk around a park with all the joggers/walkers/ etc etc. Statistically players are in the lowest risk age brackets regarding the virus and its implications.

I have seen a lot of senior footy and been to a number of grounds in the NFNL.....surely you can socially distance the amount of people who attend. Most cluster around the beer tent/rooms and 60% of the perimeter of the ground is sparsely populated at best. You can definitely distance at local footy....limit games to grounds that are fenced or erect temp fencing stagger times to start earlier with bigger breaks between games, shorten half time and game time, u19s can go back to their junior days and kick the dew off the ground!!!, for people to spend some coin on a beer and a pie you can set up stations around the ground . It's not like we are catering 2-3 thousand people at a ground each week. We need leadership on this issue and Gil is not providing adequate leadership to his vast constituency atm. I am not suggesting it is easy, obviously it is not, however the lack of communication from the AFL is basically the biggest problem. No other league at any level can really make any move until they get their shite together.

On the side there is an update coming from the NAB league and AFL this afternoon (the second one during this time, which is something positive..those involved with the NAB League really been very good I must say) however it will not provide any light either, no one is prepared to say we are in or out, and that is what creates the most frustration and people walking away, particularly when they see other states moving forward (even it is just a perception)

I dont think there will be any football this season as well unfortunately, and I think this is the easy option, it appears trying to get back out on the park is too hard for too many. I feel like we are wasting some opportunities to get back though.

Thanks God we can play golf again. (Well I couldn't really play in any case before Covid, but the Government tells me I can now play golf so lets see!!!)

You think the government will let local players make the decision themselves to play or not at there own risk? And what if someone gets it and takes it home and to work? Unfortunately we are done

I think there is only 1 chance of us playing. The last stage of lockdown is still only 100 people outdoors,which still isn’t enough and which if implicated would end July 31st. So if all is going well then maybe we could start first week in August and go til November. And that’s only if he lifts restrictions back to normal by August or at least 300-500 people gatherings.

 

[bertybeetle]

You think the government will let local players make the decision themselves to play or not at there own risk? And what if someone gets it and takes it home and to work? Unfortunately we are done

What happens if we have continual breakouts without full eradication and local transmission continues into next year without a vaccine? Will 2021 be scrapped too? Will we all never return to living normal lives? Feeling like we are going to all need to adjust to living with this virus and deal with its spread if there isn’t a vaccine into the foreseeable future. Changing the way we operate in all aspects will need to be done, hygiene, social distancing, working with a cough, taking temperatures in public places/events, not accepting cash, limiting numbers in venues...these will all be new ways in life and if we don’t learn to live with it and there isn’t a cure anytime soon then what happens?

 

[roosterslife]

What happens if we have continual breakouts without full eradication and local transmission continues into next year without a vaccine? Will 202 be scrapped too? Will we all never return to living normal lives? Feeling like we are going to all need to adjust to living with this virus and deal with its spread if there isn’t a vaccine into the foreseeable future. Changing the way we operate in all aspects will need to be done, hygiene, social distancing, working with a cough, taking temperatures in public places/events, not accepting cash, limiting numbers in venues...these will all be new ways in life and if we don’t learn to live with it and there isn’t a cure anytime soon then what happens?

I’m not disagreeing with you, I’d love for it to come back and I’d go and watch. But the government aren’t just going to say let’s wing it and just live with it. If they can give themselves 8-10 months to find a vaccine or try and virtually get rid of it , then they will. And if nothing has changed by the new year , then they may reassess. We just have to get it through our heads unfortunately 2020 is a 1% chance of kicking off

MPFL have already voted if there is no crowds, canteen or bar then the competition won’t go ahead!

 

[nosecondprize]

I’m not disagreeing with you, I’d love for it to come back and I’d go and watch. But the government aren’t just going to say let’s wing it and just live with it. If they can give themselves 8-10 months to find a vaccine or try and virtually get rid of it , then they will. And if nothing has changed by the new year , then they may reassess. We just have to get it through our heads unfortunately 2020 is a 1% chance of kicking off

MPFL have already voted if there is no crowds, canteen or bar then the competition won’t go ahead!

I think August could work if cricket are happy to have a shortened season. But again all depends on good old Dan Andrews also getting onboard

 

[kickthething]

You think the government will let local players make the decision themselves to play or not at there own risk? And what if someone gets it and takes it home and to work? Unfortunately we are done

I think there is only 1 chance of us playing. The last stage of lockdown is still only 100 people outdoors,which still isn’t enough and which if implicated would end July 31st. So if all is going well then maybe we could start first week in August and go til November. And that’s only if he lifts restrictions back to normal by August or at least 300-500 people gatherings.

The irony is the government is allowing us to make those type of decisions in other areas. Look to schools as a prime example...parents and teachers are allowed to choose whether to send children to school, even workplaces we can defer to WFH (if we still are working that is) if we deem the risk too much, these are decisions we already make.

Some of the number arguments are interesting to me. What makes us think a group of 10 is less susceptible than a group of 20 or 100?. Probably a bit facetious, but the baseline risk remains the same regardless of the sample size. It still only takes 1 person so the risk is there regardless. (Actually 1 person in 10 or 1 in 100...hmmm) .What we can be sure will happen are breakouts or clusters or whatever you want to call them....these will happen forevermore until a vaccine comes along. The point is, there comes a time when you need to make a decision that you can cover any foreseeable risk. Australia has proved that in my opinion. The risks are already there, playing football doesn't compound the risk. There is no evidence the virus is transmitted in sweat for example. so the risks are exactly the same as any other activity.

Clearly I have no insight into any discussions so basically am commenting with my uninformed opinion...We are hamstrung by frozen, ultra-conservative decision-makers. There does not need to be a gung ho approach, just a sensible, rational and considered strategy that is not controlled by the fear of what if...rather than say what if, have a plan for when it happens. I believe no football at all will be more detrimental to local football than a shortened financially challenging season. The repercussions will be felt for multiple seasons going forward and next season will be more successful if football is played this season in some capacity.

I do agree with you that I also don't think there will be local footy this season...I just believe it doesn't have to be the case.

 

[kickthething]

BTW, NAB league info is that it is very very unlikely to start at all in 2020.....

 

[Sticksbradley]

COVUD-19 is here to stay. Better get used to zero community sport for a very long time! I feel sorry for those denied the opportunity to play. I wonder what impact it would have in the game in 3-5 years time.

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[saj_21]

In my opinion, corona virus has caused a separate issue to jeopardize local footy, money$. Corona Virus as we know has sent us into recession potentially depression and there is less money to go round, loss of sponsorship etc. this along with no or very limited crowds affects the two revenue streams club need to operate, survive and thrive. The "easy" part is dealing with COVID, and the hygiene protocols, groups of 10, then groups of 20 etc (there has been over 270,00 tests in VIC with a positive rate of 0.6%......WA has had 60,000 tests for a positive test rate of 0.9%). What seems to be a far bigger issues is money, paying players etc. Some clubs are just saying it is to hard, others are trying to do what they can to get going, I can see how and why this is an issue, but it shouldn't be the sole reason we can cancel the season.

Overall there needs to be a buy in from all players to play for far reduced money and potentially for free, those who prefer to work then so be it, regardless of what happens this year there won't be money in local footy for the next 2-4 years like there was in previous years. It is far to risky to just to suspend the season, fear of losing payers to country leagues that may go ahead, how many clubs will come out of this on the other side. The only thing that should stop the season is if the health department say so.

 

[Regular Punter]

In my opinion, corona virus has caused a separate issue to jeopardize local footy, money$. Corona Virus as we know has sent us into recession potentially depression and there is less money to go round, loss of sponsorship etc. this along with no or very limited crowds affects the two revenue streams club need to operate, survive and thrive. The "easy" part is dealing with COVID, and the hygiene protocols, groups of 10, then groups of 20 etc (there has been over 270,00 tests in VIC with a positive rate of 0.6%......WA has had 60,000 tests for a positive test rate of 0.9%). What seems to be a far bigger issues is money, paying players etc. Some clubs are just saying it is to hard, others are trying to do what they can to get going, I can see how and why this is an issue, but it shouldn't be the sole reason we can cancel the season.

Overall there needs to be a buy in from all players to play for far reduced money and potentially for free, those who prefer to work then so be it, regardless of what happens this year there won't be money in local footy for the next 2-4 years like there was in previous years. It is far to risky to just to suspend the season, fear of losing payers to country leagues that may go ahead, how many clubs will come out of this on the other side. The only thing that should stop the season is if the health department say so.

Could be a blessing amongst all this crap.

 

[Rusted nuts]

In my opinion, corona virus has caused a separate issue to jeopardize local footy, money$. Corona Virus as we know has sent us into recession potentially depression and there is less money to go round, loss of sponsorship etc. this along with no or very limited crowds affects the two revenue streams club need to operate, survive and thrive. The "easy" part is dealing with COVID, and the hygiene protocols, groups of 10, then groups of 20 etc (there has been over 270,00 tests in VIC with a positive rate of 0.6%......WA has had 60,000 tests for a positive test rate of 0.9%). What seems to be a far bigger issues is money, paying players etc. Some clubs are just saying it is to hard, others are trying to do what they can to get going, I can see how and why this is an issue, but it shouldn't be the sole reason we can cancel the season.

Overall there needs to be a buy in from all players to play for far reduced money and potentially for free, those who prefer to work then so be it, regardless of what happens this year there won't be money in local footy for the next 2-4 years like there was in previous years. It is far to risky to just to suspend the season, fear of losing payers to country leagues that may go ahead, how many clubs will come out of this on the other side. The only thing that should stop the season is if the health department say so.

Great point, there is a bit of talk of country leagues breaking away from AFL Victoria. If country leagues get up and going is it fair to prevent players from wanting to go play if the Metro comps aren’t running. How many enjoy the country footy lifestyle and don’t return?

If all leagues are suspended how many players make it back in 2021 or 2022 if COVID-19 is still there? How many players priorities change after sitting out the year? What happens if restrictions continue into 2021 with no vaccine? Do we scrap 2021?

Canning the year May be the best solution for some but playing for the love might be the best for others.

I think it’s a week by week scenario but clubs need to be proactive in adjusting with the new world

 

[MortlockWatcher]

The West Australian has an article today about the Perth Football League (ex-WA Amateurs).
They are starting on July 18 with a nine-round season.
Final 4 instead of 5.
Finals to be knockout like cricket (no double chance)
No promotion or relegation.

Seems as though Mark McGowan got it right with his policies - he's got it so that a suburban league can beat the AFL to giving an outline for their season LOL.

 

[nosecondprize]

Great point, there is a bit of talk of country leagues breaking away from AFL Victoria. If country leagues get up and going is it fair to prevent players from wanting to go play if the Metro comps aren’t running. How many enjoy the country footy lifestyle and don’t return?

If all leagues are suspended how many players make it back in 2021 or 2022 if COVID-19 is still there? How many players priorities change after sitting out the year? What happens if restrictions continue into 2021 with no vaccine? Do we scrap 2021?

Canning the year May be the best solution for some but playing for the love might be the best for others.

I think it’s a week by week scenario but clubs need to be proactive in adjusting with the new world

I don’t think it’s as easy as country leagues just breaking away from AFL Victoria and playing. They still come under the state banner and would need restrictions to be lifted for them to start

 

[Regular Punter]

I don’t think it’s as easy as country leagues just breaking away from AFL Victoria and playing. They still come under the state banner and would need restrictions to be lifted for them to start

Plus, in most of the big country leagues a good portion of their players, not to mention better players, are based in Melbourne. Do they cut them from the list?

 

[Rusted nuts]

Plus, in most of the big country leagues a good portion of their players, not to mention better players, are based in Melbourne. Do they cut them from the list?

Probably will target recruit some guys from metro leagues. If metro comps get canned and country leagues run how do you determine if players can travel to play?

 

[Iceman27]

I personally, would like to see AFL Vic give us a starting date. Lets give the players something to motivate them when training starts. At the moment, all I’m reading from presidents on social media is it’s going to be to hard, lets call it off. Hardly motivating for players.

I hope leagues & AFL Vic come out next week and say, these are the training protocols, if everything goes alright round 1 will be July 20th.

And at start of July we assess where we are at, if we think we can get a season going then great, if we think we can’t, call it off and say atleast we gave it a crack.

All I’m saying, lets get some positivity out there and motivate the players.


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[10571z]

Under 18s comp pushed back 3 months at least. If you think local footy is going back im sorry but no chance

 

[Toasty389]

Under 18s comp pushed back 3 months at least. If you think local footy is going back im sorry but no chance

Why are you always so negative? Do you not want people to play footy this year?

 

[nosecondprize]

Why are you always so negative? Do you not want people to play footy this year?

Just realistic I’d say, unfortunately!

 

[saj_21]

Under 18s comp pushed back 3 months at least. If you think local footy is going back im sorry but no chance

I assume you mean the NAB under 18s?

I don’t think you can draw a conclusion of no under 18s = no local footy. Just like the VFL, the under 18 league is facing big chances. Firstly is financed by the AFL who are cutting dollars, secondly you are talking about 16-18 year olds also facing the complexity of school for the 17/18 year olds in the year. How do their AFL aspirations fit in with school. How does their season work in relation to the afl calendar and draft.

Lastly, The AFL has got 6 current coaches plus officials on a committee to re work the underage pathway. People involved in the under 18 system have been asked to put forward submissions on what they believe will work best.

 

[10571z]

Why are you always so negative? Do you not want people to play footy this year?

Just being realistic. I’ve got contacts at many clubs and nearly every one wants to pull the pin especially divison 1 clubs. It’s simply not viable. It would see the end of some clubs. Sponsorship would be down at least 90% but many costs to run the club remain.

 

[Bend_It_Like_Brown]

I personally, would like to see AFL Vic give us a starting date. Lets give the players something to motivate them when training starts. At the moment, all I’m reading from presidents on social media is it’s going to be to hard, lets call it off. Hardly motivating for players.

I hope leagues & AFL Vic come out next week and say, these are the training protocols, if everything goes alright round 1 will be July 20th.

And at start of July we assess where we are at, if we think we can get a season going then great, if we think we can’t, call it off and say atleast we gave it a crack.

All I’m saying, lets get some positivity out there and motivate the players.


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May 25th apparently

 

[Iceman27]

May 25th apparently

Yes, that has just been announced for training to start.

Let’s set a date for Round 1. Give the players something to get excited for.


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