And the reason those things happen is because those teams weren't as good as the teams that made finals. The teams that made finals were able to limit ND's influence even if they in fact lost to the Pies.
Player Watch Nick Daicos - Can he be the GOAT?
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Did I say 'sole reason'?So you're really trying to say Daicos is the sole reason 4 teams missed the finals...
There was a knock on Daicos as a result of a majority of his Brownlow votes coming against bottom 10 teams (despite exactly the same pattern being prevalent for Bont).
Had Daicos had played worse in the four matches against the Bulldogs, Cats, Bombers and Crows, those teams would have likely won the matches they lost, and therefore any of them could have qualified for finals....
Fact.
Diminishes the output of Sheezel winning the BnF in a poor side, but promotes Nicki for being the best player in the Pies side this year
The contradictions are extraordinary
No facts whatsoever, it's an opinion
It is a fact that if something didn't happen then something else could have happened. A bit like if ND didn't have a stinker against Carlton in round 20 with multiple poor defensive efforts Carlton would have lost and then not made finals.
The fact is that those teams didn't make the finals due to every one of their losses not just the ones to Collingwood
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Huh?
The fact is that in every list compiled in every media outlet, Bont and Daicos are rated as the top 2 players in the competition.
But you feel free to keep going with your 'opinion' (which is clearly overtly biased and in the vast minority) that there are many other young players ahead of Daicos, let alone established players....
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Maybe the Collingwood brainstrust got together and saw the opportunity for Carlton to make the finals at the expense of a team that genuinely troubled them (I.e. Adelaide) and considered it too good to refuse...
Focus on your 2nd paragraph versus my response
Never had any bias to any player and not in the minority at all judging by this thread
Fadge wont discuss 2022 or 2024.
Only 2023 but only the parts where he wasnt injured or hampered by injury.
Oh yeah and only if yoy ignore he only had 6 votes against finalists, just focus on his performances against bottom teams.
And yeah 2024 is a dead rubber year.
Oh fadgey.
Unfortunately the contradictions are in plain sight
Highly skilled - yep. Game changer - yep.
But he'll never be the GOAT.
The ducking / diving / playing for frees seems an important part of his game and I'd doubt whether that would change.
Neither the squibbing at the hard ball.
Both are non-GOAT behaviour.
But he'll never be the GOAT.
The ducking / diving / playing for frees seems an important part of his game and I'd doubt whether that would change.
Neither the squibbing at the hard ball.
Both are non-GOAT behaviour.
It is possible I suppose.
Have to say what a sacrifice ND made to humiliate himself with multiple soft efforts to get the Blues into the finals. Couldn’t have done it without him and Darcy embarrassing themselves. What team players
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Well I guess it resulted in a premiership for Collingwood, so it was a win/win.
Carlton get further in a finals series than they have for two decades, and Collingwood win the flag.
Alternate universe... a rampaging Adelaide account for Brisbane in the Preliminary Final, and Collingwood meets what we believe to be our most dangerous match up on Grand Final day. The end result could have been very different...
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Adelaide can’t win away from home. And you think they would have won 4 away games in a row to win the GF?
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Bont is a game changer. ND can change games but requires other cogs to be humming to do so. If those other players aren’t humming he is ineffective and invisible.
When the chips are down Bont will drag the team and change the game on his own. ND is nowhere near that.
Will be fascinating to see how he addresses the elephant in the room you struggle to see. Other young players like Serong and Guilden have gone past him as they don’t take a backwards step.
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Really?
You didn't see the 2023 ANZAC Day match?
The round 1 2023 game against Geelong?
The 29 and 2 (and BOG) he had against Bont's Bulldogs after they jumped them in round 17, 2023?
The round 15, 2023 Adelaide game, where the Crows had all the momentum at 3/4 time and were 13 points ahead?
The last 5 minutes of the 2023 Grand Final?
And remember, we're talking about a player in his second season here....
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In the context of this thread you started, say that again, but slowly.
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I don't understand your point?
Those examples are particularly relevant to the context of this thread - how many other players have been so influential in turning the tide of games, in only their second season?
And particularly relevant as a response to your comment.
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