Player Watch Nick Daicos - Can he be the GOAT?

[loki04]

It was debatable but not any more

Not just about him but the team, we need him in the backline, that's where he does the most damage

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It's because he doesn't currently have the physicality to be FT mid and stay damaging.

He is best off HB because he can use his smarts, endurance and pace to work past and recieve it.

Tom Mitchell is not at the level to feed Nick on the outside nor are our rucks consistent enough to palm down to him on the move from center clearances.

We also as a side do not a have a player capable as Nick off HB to generate the turn over drive we need.

 

[My Tilly]

Nick is very very similar in style and game to Ablett Jnr.

Reid closer to Judd in style.

Jnr was a bit more explosive around the contests. I know Nick has wheels but Jnr was always difficult to maneuver off the ball. He had strong hips like his father. Not the same jumping or power through the core. A nuggety type.

I like the way Reid jumps at the footy. Not many midfielders with that power showcase that side of their game. Horne-Francis is very similar.
I think Reid is much closer to Dangerfield in style.

Judd was simply breathtaking. Literally looked like an Olympic 100 metre sprinter had crossed sports. Never seen another midfielder 6ft'2 hit a pack, burst away like he could.

 

[loki04]

Yeah Ok, Yet he consistently is up there for the most contested possessions for each game.

But hey, you see what you see.

Jacko, mate, do you honestly believe he is winning true hard ball get contested style possessions?

If you do you need to watch Nick Hoyne podcast on how CD evaluate "contested possessions" when he came to ND defence of him winning CP and then stating he wins the "loose in space" bobbling ball possessions that Ableet Jnr made his career on and are marked as CP stats.

These are not a typical CP that a Buckley, Judd, Martin, Dangerfield type power mid wins. Or even what Harley Reid is displaying at WC.

Nick needs to grow this area and learn to use his body a lot better.

 

[loki04]

Jnr was a bit more explosive around the contests. I know Nick has wheels but Jnr was always difficult to maneuver off the ball. He had strong hips like his father. Not the same jumping or power through the core. A nuggety type.

I like the way Reid jumps at the footy. Not many midfielders with that power showcase that side of their game. Horne-Francis is very similar.
I think Reid is much closer to Dangerfield in style.

Judd was simply breathtaking. Literally looked like an Olympic 100 metre sprinter had crossed sports. Never seen another midfielder 6ft'2 hit a pack, burst away like he could.

Judd couldn't hit a leading target. Literally he looked amazing running from the contest and running at goal.

When he had to hit up a forward target the ball often went over the head or landed 2m short at thier feet. Was a mid 60s % field kick.
He himself in interviews stated his kicking was a flaw he needed to work on. Which he did as he matured.

Was amazing burst player (again not the first) but imo his skill had him imo not the best of the best.

Judd wasn't the first mid to kick 5 bursting from center that Browny and many remember him for vs Lions.
In fact others had kick 4 and 5 more then him from midfield but short memories and all.
When Buckley was a duo with Paul Williams at pies bottom of the ladder they were both doing it and together keeping pies in games.

Imo Judd's a bit over rated due to his athletic prowess running away from stoppage being the best we have seen (but let down by other parts of his game).

As for Nick vs Ablett jnr, I disagree I think stylistically and athletically they are very very similar.

 

[Sector 7G]

LOL. Was probably 3rd best on. Pies best player. Terrific game by Nick again.

Don’t worry Fly will give him 5 coaches votes despite him being a massive reason that the bombers smashes pies in clearances.

He is never the last to get up from the bottom of a pack.

 

[jakson68]

Jacko, mate, do you honestly believe he is winning true hard ball get contested style possessions?

If you do you need to watch Nick Hoyne podcast on how CD evaluate "contested possessions" when he came to ND defence of him winning CP and then stating he wins the "loose in space" bobbling ball possessions that Ableet Jnr made his career on and are marked as CP stats.

These are not a typical CP that a Buckley, Judd, Martin, Dangerfield type power mid wins. Or even what Harley Reid is displaying at WC.

Nick needs to grow this area and learn to use his body a lot better.

Does he though.

I love what he brings and the way he plays.
He could grow in this area and people will still find a fault somewhere because if you look for faults, that is what you will find.
I would rather he stay the way he is because his decision making and ball use is ridiculously good and that is what makes him special.
There are plenty of hard nose players that burst through and win the hard ball.
Then blaze away and miss the target and have to get it again.

At least when Nick gets it (and he gets it alot) he uses it in way few can.

Let's not get sucked into a narrative to try and bring him down and want him to be more than he really needs to be.

He is a gun and he is our gun.
Just appreciate that.

 

[Sector 7G]

Judd couldn't hit a leading target. Literally he looked amazing running from the contest and running at goal.

When he had to hit up a forward target the ball often went over the head or landed 2m short at thier feet. Was a mid 60s % field kick.
He himself in interviews stated his kicking was a flaw he needed to work on. Which he did as he matured.

Was amazing bust player but imo his skill had him imo not the best of the best.

Judd wasn't the first mid to kick 5 bursting from center that Browny and many remember him for vs Lions.
In fact others had kick 4 and 5 more then him from midfield but short memories and all.
When Buckley was a duo with Paul Williams at pies bottom of the ladder they were both doing it and together keeping pies in games.

Imo Judd's a bit over rated due to his athletic prowess running away from stoppage being the best we have seen (but let down by other parts of his game).

As for Nick vs Ablett jnr, I disagree I think stylistically and athletically they are very very similar.

He made Quinton Lynch look like a competent FF. That is quite an accomplishment

 

[loki04]

Don’t worry Fly will give him 5 coaches votes despite him being a massive reason that the bombers smashes pies in clearances.

He is never the last to get up from the bottom of a pack.

It's not about him being bottom of packs, frankly unless there is no option we don't want him there.
BF needs to get over this bottom of pack obsession, he needs to get better body on body, body lining a ball with oncoming traffic, using his body to"knock" opponents off the ball as he crashes in (which he never does but needs too) rather then "reach" in arms stretched and head back like my 8yo son.
It's his overall physicality at the man and contest that needs changing.

If Nick wants to the best the best of the best he needs to be more Buckley and less Pendles in style from a Collingwood perspective.

Right now he is doing a pendles who often is about keeping his feet, keeping his space and not over committing physically to a contest.

 

[beerbandit]

Don’t worry Fly will give him 5 coaches votes despite him being a massive reason that the bombers smashes pies in clearances.

He is never the last to get up from the bottom of a pack.

fair enough, so who was Collingwoods best then? You do realise Essendon didn’t win right ?

 

[Corn Cobbers]

He made Quinton Lynch look like a competent FF. That is quite an accomplishment

Think that was Cousins actually

Never saw Cousins miss a chest, Lynch and Hansen owe him big time

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[loki04]

Does he though.

I love what he brings and the way he plays.
He could grow in this area and people will still find a fault somewhere because if you look for faults, that is what you will find.
I would rather he stay the way he is because his decision making and ball use is ridiculously good and that is what makes him special.
There are plenty of hard nose players that burst through and win the hard ball.
Then blaze away and miss the target and have to get it again.

At least when Nick gets it (and he gets it alot) he uses it in way few can.

Let's not get sucked into a narrative to try and bring him down and want him to be more than he really needs to be.

He is a gun and he is our gun.
Just appreciate that.

Ok imo yes he does.

He is a 3rd year player and largely hasn't developed a whole lot from year 2 to year 3.

He is a generational talent that has the tools to be a player you build your team on but not with that weakness as he can be shut down or limited.
Have you noticed his inside 50 kick has not been as accurate or as effective this year vs last or his kicks on goal or his forward half work in general is down??

This is due to teh extra physical attention and detail into stopping his natural outside game.
The only way to break it is physically do so.

Lachie Neale doesn't often get tagged because he stands up physically and plays inside game when people try, then as the grind happens later gets on the outside.

Nathan Buckley or Scott Pendlebury to start a team who would you pick?

The answer to that tells me all I need to know about how you view the game.

 

[loki04]

He made Quinton Lynch look like a competent FF. That is quite an accomplishment

He didn't actually and Lynch was a physical unit with Hansen and lessr degree Kennedy (actually have a vivid memory of Judd bursting out and kicking to feet) who had a 2-3 year purple patch.

Kerr, Cousins, and Embley often hit the target fwd.

 

[loki04]

Does he though.

I love what he brings and the way he plays.
He could grow in this area and people will still find a fault somewhere because if you look for faults, that is what you will find.
I would rather he stay the way he is because his decision making and ball use is ridiculously good and that is what makes him special.
There are plenty of hard nose players that burst through and win the hard ball.
Then blaze away and miss the target and have to get it again.

At least when Nick gets it (and he gets it alot) he uses it in way few can.

Let's not get sucked into a narrative to try and bring him down and want him to be more than he really needs to be.

He is a gun and he is our gun.
Just appreciate that.

See you see Taylor Adams where as I'm talking Nathan Buckley.

Nathan was an inside outside midfielder that was an even better kick then Nick.

 

[Sector 7G]

fair enough, so who was Collingwoods best then? You do realise Essendon didn’t win right ?

Was an even effort from the pies where as bombers had 5 good players and 5 shockers. Dons inability to defend kickins /turnovers cost them the game.

 

[xLeCrAs2x]

He didn't actually and Lynch was a physical unit with Hansen and lessr degree Kennedy (actually have a vivid memory of Judd bursting out and kicking to Kennedy's feet) who had a 2-3 year purple patch.

Kerr, Cousins, and Embley often hit the target fwd.

Judd never played with Kennedy mate

 

[loki04]

fair enough, so who was Collingwoods best then? You do realise Essendon didn’t win right ?

Imo I don't think we had a stand out winner, neither did they.

Think across the board there were players who had moments and quarters but not a full game. Much like the teams.

The result was fitting as I don't think either team had a stand out of overt dominance for periods overly longer then the other.

 

[loki04]

Judd never played with Kennedy mate

Lynch then black hair ball landed at his feet and over the head many times.

Lol just remember Judd for Kennedy had a few.

Makes me want to got back to Judd's first 3 to 4 years and make a "lowlights" tape.

I used to say it back then most people were too caught up with Judd burst to care what he did with the ball.

 

[beerbandit]

Imo I don't think we had a stand out winner, neither did they.

Think across the board there were players who had moments and quarters but not a full game. Much like the teams.

The result was fitting as I don't think either team had a stand out of overt dominance for periods overly longer then the other.

That’s your opinion. Watch the game again mate. He was clearly our best player.

 

[Sector 7G]

He didn't actually and Lynch was a physical unit with Hansen and lessr degree Kennedy (actually have a vivid memory of Judd bursting out and kicking to Kennedy's feet) who had a 2-3 year purple patch.

Kerr, Cousins, and Embley often hit the target fwd.

You realise Judd was traded for Kennedy ( plus more) so sounds more like a hallucination.

Lynch instantly turned into a spud when Judd left and was one at the Pies

 

[beerbandit]

Was an even effort from the pies where as bombers had 5 good players and 5 shockers. Dons inability to defend kickins /turnovers cost them the game.

Nick was clear best for Pies.

 

[JustaBattler]

Naicos has all the tools required to improve his defensive game- because he has spoed- all he needs is to spend some time with a rugby coach to show him to use his speed to make tackles - some of the best tackles in rugby codes have been smaller bodied players who know how to position themselves using their superior speed.

However -ther is no doubt that he is more valuable as a receiver anyway -so why try and make him into something he doesn't have to be for the team to do well- the problem will emerge when a few of the older Collingwood mids need replacing...

Suggesting he 'may' be teh GOAT was just trolling based on nuffery - there are a couple of fr more accomplished mids running around today - who have equal if not better credentials as all round players - and no one is making thread up about them 'maybe /could ' ( which are meaningless hooks anyway) threads about them...

 

[loki04]

You realise Judd was traded for Kennedy ( plus more) so sounds more like a hallucination.

Lynch instantly turned into a spud when Judd left and was one at the Pies

Yeah realised that thanks.
No was just a black haired fwd and likely lynch or the other big unit they had at the time.
Memory may well be failing on who it was but not the moment nor Judd's early kicking ability.

 

[loki04]

Nick was clear best for Pies.

How'd you rate his first half? 14 disp and imo sweet fa impact.

His goal also came from playing on when all players had stopped from a free kick. Not really from Nicks own work.

 

[loki04]

Naicos has all the tools required to improve his defensive game- because he has spoed- all he needs is to spend some time with a rugby coach to show him to use his speed to make tackles - some of the best tackles in rugby codes have been smaller bodied players who know how to position themselves using their superior speed.

However -ther is no doubt that he is more valuable as a receiver anyway -so why try and make him into something he doesn't have to be for the team to do well- the problem will emerge when a few of the older Collingwood mids need replacing...

Suggesting he 'may' be teh GOAT was just trolling based on nuffery - there are a couple of fr more accomplished mids running around today - who have equal if not better credentials as all round players - and no one is making thread up about them 'maybe /could ' ( which are meaningless hooks anyway) threads about them...

It's not his defensive game.

He runs as hard as any and often makes multiple tackles/attempts/pressure.

It's the actual crash and bash of footy that he needs big improvements on and also tackling front on with his shoulder fwd, rather then reaching in head back, scared of contact with oncoming players.


Also the far more accomplished mids are mids with only the capability to be at a Pendles, Riccuito, Harvey et el level.

Nick clearly has a few tools in his kit that could elevate him above that level should he develop the physical side and his forward half game.

But yes the thread overall was a pisstake and really shouldn't have been created.

 

[beerbandit]

How'd you rate his first half? 14 disp and imo sweet fa impact.

His goal also came from playing on when all players had stopped from a free kick. Not really from Nicks own work.

What does it matter if it’s Nicks work or not?? He took matters into hes own hands and played on and slotted a goal.

Not sure if your being serious now ?