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[Colby Cheer Squad]

So we just played the best team in the league to a standstill, would have beaten them if we could hit a ******* set shot, some key matchups came off excellently, and Crocker can’t coach? Give me a spell.

Hey Rob, it's amazing how closely the game played out according to the coaches' expectations and game plan isn't it? All in all, our game tactics were perfect, if only we'd hit those set shots.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

I just think we lack any system, which is the hallmark of why our mens team is so uncompetitive. His saving grace is that we have a number of top tier player and yet we have one of the worst win/loss records of the top 4 or so good team against eachother, that isn't a coincidence.

Brisbane is a middle of the road team fortunate to have played mostly bottom teams. They beat Melbourne which was their crowning achievement so far but despite how bad we played, se should have still beaten them if concrete foot wasn't our full forward. It just highlights how much we underachieve, because we should be a lot better than Brisbane.

When you are under pressure it is not going to look pretty regardless, we scrapped okay. It is when you get it outside and are not under any pressure, our uncontested disposal isn't a lot better than our contested disposal. The decision making and execution is extremely poor.

Our defense isn't great, but we should be kicking 6-8 goals against a side like Brisbane in a game like this today, not 3. What system we once had under Gowans has been season by season degenerating into the kind of football our mens play, which isn't a good brand.

This is not one of your good posts. In fact, it is a very bad post. It's a Caroline Wilson commenting on actual football level of bad posts.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Absolutely. Smith on Conway and Riki on Hodder we’re two specific matchups that we were told about before the game. Apart from the first goal where Hodder beat Bresnehan on the lead she was a non-factor pretty much all day, and Riki provided plenty of rebound herself. Really impressive 7 games into her career.

It might have been the angle I was watching from but I'm sure there was a moment in the last quarter where Rikki outsprinted Hodder for the ball. She really has got some wheels on her.

 

[Tas]

This is not one of your good posts. In fact, it is a very bad post. It's a Caroline Wilson commenting on actual football level of bad posts.

Have you watched us play, vs say how Crows and Melbourne play? We just look far weaker when we have the ball, once we pushed Karnage out of the middle we have gone with a Ziebell/Simpkin like midfield clearance work.

Look at the players we were in our votes last year, probably this year too, it is the same handful of players. It isn't a gameplan of system, it is why it underachievers and exits finals like it was coached by Brad Scott.

You can't fault them for having a crack, they do, but last year we had one of the higher AA representation and we weren't even close to the mark, if you think you are a genius why is that?

 

[Gumble Frankieton]

It might have been the angle I was watching from but I'm sure there was a moment in the last quarter where Rikki outsprinted Hodder for the ball. She really has got some wheels on her.

O’Shea is very quick and stays on her feet. Give her and Vicki Wall another season and people will be praising the recruiting team.

 

[SMaturin]

I’d say O’Shea and Wall are our two best 1:1 contested players.

 

[SMaturin]

If Randall can’t start kicking goals from 20 metres straight in front I’d shift her back and give someone else a go.

 

[Teen Wolf]

Have you watched us play, vs say how Crows and Melbourne play?

Hey guess what, Adelaide and Melbourne are better and more consistent football teams, and always have been. It was nice, but rather misleading, to beat the Dees in 2019 and the Crows in 2020 when their captains were sidelined. Pretty obvious we are coming from further back and improving at a faster rate.

Look at the players we were in our votes last year, probably this year too, it is the same handful of players. It isn't a gameplan of system, it is why it underachievers and exits finals like it was coached by Brad Scott.

Every team relies heavily on its three players who get paid a professional wage ffs. The difference between us and the teams we lose to is usually in the performance of players 4, 5 and 6.

Today's loss, after our supposedly terrible gameplan helped produce a +20 I50 differential, wasn't even about that.

You can't fault them for having a crack, they do, but last year we had one of the higher AA representation and we weren't even close to the mark, if you think you are a genius why is that?

We had 3 in the AA squad. Same as Carlton, Fremantle, Richmond and the Bulldogs. Melbourne had 7, Adelaide had 6, Brisbane had 4.

 

[Tas]

Hey guess what, Adelaide and Melbourne are better and more consistent football teams, and always have been. It was nice, but rather misleading, to beat the Dees in 2019 and the Crows in 2020 when their captains were sidelined. Pretty obvious we are coming from further back and improving at a faster rate.

Crows only won 2 games in season 4, but they had some big injuries. Brisbane and Melbourne weren't that good in season 3 when we came in. We were at our best during the time Gowan was coaching. We ran the ball better, we used it better, we had a problem with the size and power difference with Crows primarily.

I think we are further back than we were when we came into the comp. We've had a very restricted access to the draft compared to Geelong and we have lost players like Bateman and others who whilst weren't world beaters in favour of others who I wont name but aren't really doing a whole lot atm. I think our development has taken a backward step since the covid restructure.

Every team relies heavily on its three players who get paid a professional wage ffs. The difference between us and the teams we lose to is usually in the performance of players 4, 5 and 6.

It isn't just the top few players, you rely on a lot more than that. It is the core side. Our good core group back in the day was Ashmore, Bruton, Garner, Gibson, Kearney, King, Randall, Riddell, Duffin and Stanton

The second tier back then was Gillespie-Jones, Hardiman, Abbatangelo, etc. Who has moved into our top 10 vs who has moved out, that is part of the problem, there are only so many players we can offer contracts to but we have held on to some players who were outside that group that was performing. Crows have been somewhat protected from losing players but someone like Melbourne who has also had to deal with poaching has been able to replace the losses. Teams like Geelong and Richmond have been able to slowly year by year improve their team over time. They have had better access to the draft but we were a long way ahead of them.

We aren't bringing up second their ladies to fill in our losses. It is going to be an issue as Garner, King and Kearney in particular wont be able to carry the team to the same extent as they get older. We need to be able to produce better quality players and by that I mean significantly improve their standard of footy when they have been here for a number of years. If we don't develop talent we will run into the same issue as the mens team current faces.

Today's loss, after our supposedly terrible gameplan helped produce a +20 I50 differential, wasn't even about that.

It is terrible to just hack the ball inside 50 to nobody in particular, the good sides try and hit up a target. You can live and die trying and still not succeed but we have no plan how to do that when under pressure and the good teams try to do it. That is ultimately the difference and that is in part the gameplan.

We had 3 in the AA squad. Same as Carlton, Fremantle, Richmond and the Bulldogs. Melbourne had 7, Adelaide had 6, Brisbane had 4.

We do now, we had a lot more we let go.

 

[speedy]

We keep loosing the same way……more f50 entries, press up hard then get beaten out the back because we have some really slow players in our back half.

The womens game cannot score goals with a congested forward line. Most can’t kick over 30m and they don’t have the skill to cope with it either.

My other pet hate is playing Emma King out of the goal square. Every now and then we do kick the ball forward into space, and there is Emma king lopping after it with no chance of getting it.

I really have doubts about crocks tactical nous.

 

[Teen Wolf]

I think we are further back than we were when we came into the comp. We've had a very restricted access to the draft compared to Geelong and we have lost players like Bateman and others who whilst weren't world beaters in favour of others who I wont name but aren't really doing a whole lot atm. I think our development has taken a backward step since the covid restructure.

Bateman couldn't get a game the last 3 weeks for the Dogs...

It isn't just the top few players, you rely on a lot more than that. It is the core side. Our good core group back in the day was Ashmore, Bruton, Garner, Gibson, Kearney, King, Randall, Riddell, Duffin and Stanton

The second tier back then was Gillespie-Jones, Hardiman, Abbatangelo, etc. Who has moved into our top 10 vs who has moved out, that is part of the problem, there are only so many players we can offer contracts to but we have held on to some players who were outside that group that was performing. Crows have been somewhat protected from losing players but someone like Melbourne who has also had to deal with poaching has been able to replace the losses. Teams like Geelong and Richmond have been able to slowly year by year improve their team over time. They have had better access to the draft but we were a long way ahead of them.

We aren't bringing up second their ladies to fill in our losses. It is going to be an issue as Garner, King and Kearney in particular wont be able to carry the team to the same extent as they get older. We need to be able to produce better quality players and by that I mean significantly improve their standard of footy when they have been here for a number of years. If we don't develop talent we will run into the same issue as the mens team current faces.

Emma King has never carried the team, nor is she even close to our top 3 players.

As far as developing talent goes... Mia King, Brown, Bresnehan, O'Loughlin, Eddey, Smith and Randall are all vastly improved players in a short amount of time, and hardly finished products at an average age of 22-and-a-half. We also have a couple teenagers slash first-round draft picks running around, and two young Irishwomen who are already good.

It is terrible to just hack the ball inside 50 to nobody in particular, the good sides try and hit up a target. You can live and die trying and still not succeed but we have no plan how to do that when under pressure and the good teams try to do it. That is ultimately the difference and that is in part the gameplan.

10 marks inside 50 vs Brisbane's 5. Adelaide had 8 in the earlier game, Fremantle had 1.

We do now, we had a lot more we let go.

The only AA player (team or squad) to leave is Duffin, after she had a baby and clearly lost her AA form.

 

[Luke72]

Daisy Bateman currently is out with a knee injury.

Tahlia Randall went forward out of necessity as she is a longer kick. Many of our girls will struggle to kick goals from 30 out. Emma King on the half time siren was quite far and shanked it going for distance.

Kashy was one of our better kicks, sad to lose her. Without the ability to make CHF a dangerous spot opposition teams clog up in front of goals. I think they could focus on skills a bit and try to get more length into the kicks.

Brisbane kicked some really nice goals. Wardlaw’s pick up and snap goal was amazing. It felt to me that the ball just bounced their way a bit. We’re not far off it and there was certainly a lot to like.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Have you watched us play, vs say how Crows and Melbourne play? We just look far weaker when we have the ball, once we pushed Karnage out of the middle we have gone with a Ziebell/Simpkin like midfield clearance work.

Look at the players we were in our votes last year, probably this year too, it is the same handful of players. It isn't a gameplan of system, it is why it underachievers and exits finals like it was coached by Brad Scott.

You can't fault them for having a crack, they do, but last year we had one of the higher AA representation and we weren't even close to the mark, if you think you are a genius why is that?

And it's clear that you are completely blind to the fact that the game plan has changed from last year to this year which renders your opinion obsolete and irrelevant.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

We keep loosing the same way……more f50 entries, press up hard then get beaten out the back because we have some really slow players in our back half.

The womens game cannot score goals with a congested forward line. Most can’t kick over 30m and they don’t have the skill to cope with it either.

My other pet hate is playing Emma King out of the goal square. Every now and then we do kick the ball forward into space, and there is Emma king lopping after it with no chance of getting it.

I really have doubts about crocks tactical nous.

+20 inside 50s and 11 scoring shots to 8 against the top team with a game plan designed specifically to do just that and to overcome the particular deficiencies that saw the same team smash us last year in territory and second possession out of clearances. That was all down to Crock's tactical nous. Also, read Teen Wolf's post.

 

[Dodecahedron]

Our game style has changed but the result and ladder position feel like they will be the same. We are a better side this year but our three losses have all been incredibly frustrating to watch. Infuriating.

Most things through the middle are fine and competitive.

Randall needs to kick at a target behind the goals instead of kicking loosely “at” the goals. When she missed the two easy ones in the first quarter I knew it would cost us.

Wright needs a rest. She is a deer in the headlights, quite slow and her hands don’t look strong enough to spoil balls forward from marking contests. I hate potting players but I get nervous every time it goes near her.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

If Randall can’t start kicking goals from 20 metres straight in front I’d shift her back and give someone else a go.

Nobody is happy with Tahlia's goal kicking woes at the minute, least of all Tahlia, but there are only about 6 other women in the whole continent who can take the contested marks that she's taking on a regular basis. Give someone else a go is much easier said than done. I'd suggest working on her set shot routine will produces better results and much faster, than scouring the country for a replacement. We certainly don't have one readily available on our list.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Our game style has changed but the result and ladder position feel like they will be the same. We are a better side this year but our three losses have all been incredibly frustrating to watch. Infuriating.

Most things through the middle are fine and competitive.

Randall needs to kick at a target behind the goals instead of kicking loosely “at” the goals. When she missed the two easy ones in the first quarter I knew it would cost us.

Wright needs a rest. She is a deer in the headlights, quite slow and her hands don’t look strong enough to spoil balls forward from marking contests. I hate potting players but I get nervous every time it goes near her.

Sarah Wright was outstanding two weeks ago but it's true, she needs to work on spoiling towards the boundary and not letting the ball get over the back. She could also take lessons from Emma Kearney on how to take possession of a loose ball, lock it in as she gets tackled and not give away a free kick. The skipper is probably the best of any man or woman at that caper.

 

[muttley45]

I realise that she is just learning the game, and half back is a good starting point, but just like Gilroy, hope O'Shea isn't pigeon holed there too long, tank permitting, love to see the shackles released, and give her a crack as a ball hunting ruckrover type, has a nice turn of foot, great physicality, and a decent kick too.

 

[Tas]

Bateman couldn't get a game the last 3 weeks for the Dogs...

She is injured.

Emma King has never carried the team, nor is she even close to our top 3 players.

Emma is our vice captain and one of our most important players, I didn't give her a numerical position in our bests.

As far as developing talent goes... Mia King, Brown, Bresnehan, O'Loughlin, Eddey, Smith and Randall are all vastly improved players in a short amount of time, and hardly finished products at an average age of 22-and-a-half. We also have a couple teenagers slash first-round draft picks running around, and two young Irishwomen who are already good.

Mia is probably the only one we have improved to be amongst our best players. I do think O'Shea has done well in the short period of time she has been playing the game, she has a lot of potential. We just don't spread the load enough, if Garner doesn't dominate we are vulnerable to losing. Everyone relies on their better players but a good system insulates you from a variance in form. Crows lost arguably the best women's player to have played to Port and they still dominate.

10 marks inside 50 vs Brisbane's 5. Adelaide had 8 in the earlier game, Fremantle had 1.

And yet we only kicked 3 goals, Randall was our best key defender, we've had to push her forward because nobody else other than Garner who can take a contested mark and kick 30m for goal. Crows had 8 marks but kicked 7.7, Fremantle isn't a very good side this year but they played well for 3 quarters against the crows.

I didn't think we played poorly against Crows or Dees, but we struggle to beat them. Brisbane is in a tier below them and we below them, Collingwood are around us as well.

I just feel the way Crows play isn't as reliant on their stars, sure, they don't always play great but their footy more closely resembles men's football in terms of system and it is why they have been hard to beat. Our system is okay, when not under pressure, but it doesn't hold up as well under pressure.

The only AA player (team or squad) to leave is Duffin, after she had a baby and clearly lost her AA form.

We used to have 6 or 7 AAs, had as many as Crows at one stage. It was the main reason the old Saints coach was whining about why we were allowed to draft anyone.

It doesn't mean everything, I'd rather have no AAs and just spread the load across the entire team, we've had years to try and address our forward problems. We've gone from averaging 39.9 in our first season, 51.5 second, 42.1 third, 34.6 fourth and are now at 34.9 and we have seen a number of weaker teams being introduced the last few years.

If we ever want to win a flag we have to be able to bridge the gap between us and the better teams.

 

[Luke72]

I don’t think we’ve been completely out of any of the games that we have lost. I would go in thinking we’re a good chance whoever we meet in the finals.

I think that Melbourne seems to have a lot of tall athletic type players that we struggle to match and Adelaide has well built strong midfielders that are a bit more physical than our mids. Brisbane is more similar to our line up.

 

[The Nostradamus]

I don’t think we’ve been completely out of any of the games that we have lost. I would go in thinking we’re a good chance whoever we meet in the finals.

I think that Melbourne seems to have a lot of tall athletic type players that we struggle to match and Adelaide has well built strong midfielders that are a bit more physical than our mids. Brisbane is more similar to our line up.

Issue is when margins are so close 1 weak link is all it takes to lose

 

[CURVE]

The way this season is panning out we could end up playing the other seven teams in the eight and possibly the team that finishes ninth.

I know the league can't predict how the season will go, but it ends up being a grossly unfair draw especially as it's only a ten round season.

 

[Teen Wolf]

She is injured.

She was dropped ahead of round 4.

OUT: D Bateman (omitted)

Recalled during the week, and played in a 64-point loss today. Managed a near-career high 12 disposals, hasn't kicked a goal in her last 10 games.

Everyone relies on their better players but a good system insulates you from a variance in form. Crows lost arguably the best women's player to have played to Port and they still dominate.

I just feel the way Crows play isn't as reliant on their stars, sure, they don't always play great but their footy more closely resembles men's football in terms of system and it is why they have been hard to beat. Our system is okay, when not under pressure, but it doesn't hold up as well under pressure.

Adelaide's best 2 players have been Hatchard & Marinoff for a while now. Last time either of them were kept quiet was in R1 (Marinoff with 14 touches) and they lost.

Prior to that changing of the guard, Adelaide's record was 23-5-1 when both Phillips and Randall played, and 3-9 when one of them missed.

We used to have 6 or 7 AAs

We have had 5 All-Australian players in total. The most we've ever had in a season is 4, in 2019--smashed by the Crows and Dockers that year, unlike the losses we've had this season.

 

[shinboner magic]

The way this season is panning out we could end up playing the other seven teams in the eight and possibly the team that finishes ninth.

I know the league can't predict how the season will go, but it ends up being a grossly unfair draw especially as it's only a ten round season.

Hopefully the league does a rolling fixture - so the team don’t play this season you play next.
Maybe Witt the exception one blockbuster/derby game

 

[CharlieMortdecai]

Hopefully the league does a rolling fixture - so the team don’t play this season you play next.
Maybe Witt the exception one blockbuster/derby game

Hopefully they just make it 17 rounds long. Start in July or something.