Past Coach NMFC Senior Coach - David Noble has parted ways with NMFC

[Masked Avenger]

The Coach cannot keep playing the non-performing senior guys. It's that simple. It will end his career if he keeps doing it. They're not good enough, and it can't matter that some are in the leadership group, and surely someone's in his ear about that. Please tell me someone is.

A lack of selection integrity corrodes a football team. Only sacrificing the young players at the selection table sends a terrible message to the playing group. It causes confusion and worse still it breeds resentment.

Logically, if they were the only non-performers we would have won our share of games this year or at least have been competitive in most of them.

The risks of handing the keys to our younger guys and letting them go alone with a few of the more capable senior guys, shouldn't even be a concern now. The Coach is dying a death by a thousand cuts as it is.

 

[Krakoueraddict]

I think it’s a chicken/egg dilema. Is the coaching/structure causing the stagnant movement with no outlet options, or is it skill errors/lack of fitness not allowing the team to play competitively? The most concerning issue for me is we are barely registering 10-15 shots on goal each week whilst allowing 25+. At least early last year we were getting cooked on turnover while looking to attack, this year we seem to have become much more conservative with ball in hand but our defence is being cut to ribbons in the same fashion as last year. So if the priorities are team defence then it’s not working and if the priorities are playing an attacking brand then it’s absolutely not working. Alot of our attacking forays come unstuck because of poor skills that is for sure but teams being able to hit 30m passes the length of the ground when our defence is ‘set’ says to me the defensive structures are A. very poorly designed with too many gaps and B. require too much running that our players can’t/won’t do. Freo are obviously good at playing the full team zone and not giving any easy options but >30 I50 is ridiculous for a full game, teams must know they can press extremely high on us without a very high chance of being exposed because we can’t hit the option to make them pay.


One other thing that must be so difficult for the players is in at least 4 games this year we’ve been out of the contest by 1/4 time, hard to stay up for the fight when you’re already 30+ points adrift.

 

[XU1-ROO]

I think if Adam Simpson becomes available. Would have to think about it

 

[Ball Dont Lie]

Since Hall did his hamstring in the dogs game we have lost 13/14 quarters of footy. The 1 quarter we won against the blues to my untrained eye it felt like Sleevo was the designated half back in that quarter. For the other 12 quarters we have been unable to string more than 2 passes out of defensive 50. I understand it’s not David’s fault we don’t have any viable options but the fact his attack the corridor game plan relies on a 31 year old with bad hamstrings is pretty deflating.

 

[Massive Unit]

Yes, you were wrong m45 and I congratulate you on conceding - it's not easy to do.

There are probably another 20 posters or so in the same camp as you who also need to concede - unfortunately not as many are as honest as you.

Why do you need to concede? So you can be right and get a little trophy to put on your mantel?

To be fair, whilst this game is about wins and losses, we're in a different phase right now where the wins and losses are largely irrelevant.
What we need to see is growth and development.

The growth and development of the game plan is on the coaches, and it's there for all to see. Change the shape/direction, drive at pace through the corridor. Give the forwards an opportunity. Noble has specifically said this stuff in interviews and pressers.

The execution of the game plan needs to be owned in part by the players. If you're on an AFL list and constantly turning the ball over, unable to hit a 20m pass or running at sub 50% DE, you should be considering another career. Anyone who has attended training can see that these guys can kick, but they are soft as butter under pressure and give it up.

 

[RossHenshaw]

Since Hall did his hamstring in the dogs game we have lost 13/14 quarters of footy. The 1 quarter we won against the blues to my untrained eye it felt like Sleevo was the designated half back in that quarter. For the other 12 quarters we have been unable to string more than 2 passes out of defensive 50. I understand it’s not David’s fault we don’t have any viable options but the fact his attack the corridor game plan relies on a 31 year old with bad hamstrings is pretty deflating.

100% agree,
I highlighted how dependent our game plan (if u can a call it that ) a year or 2 ago was on Hall’s half back run & carry , forward running, meters gained , give n go ‘s & urgency type of fast play from our backline .
But …. There were still some nuff nuff NFI campaigners North BigFooty supporters here harping about how useless Hall was (drop him , delist him etc.) due to his occasional 1-2 turnovers per game . (That’s going to happen when you have footy 30+ times a game )
We missed him so much in a similar scenario last year and did nothing to try to remotely replace him with another run & carry type player .
At the beginning of this Season he was injured in a pre season game . We played putrid in the next 2 practice games without him . The same we are now . Thank heck he managed to get back in time for round 1 vs Hawks . 2 years later our coaching staff have not identified this problem and as a result we are bleeding badly without him.
I said it before, that behind Cunners, Hall is our most important player right now . (JHF excepting)
My question to Mr Noble is “don’t you farking see this too ? And where is the next player we are grooming to take Halls spot , (he is over 30) …”
“Why can’t we try a TT , Sleevo or even a young Goater ? “
Hall will be out injured for a further 2-3 weeks . Are we just going to sit here waiting for him and in the meantime keep struggling getting the ball out of the backline?
NMFC coaches staff (STERN LOOK)

 

[Ball Dont Lie]

100% agree,
I highlighted how dependent our game plan (if u can a call it that ) a year or 2 ago was on Hall’s half back run & carry , forward running, meters gained , give n go ‘s & urgency type of fast play from our backline .
But …. There were still some nuff nuff NFI campaigners North BigFooty supporters here harping about how useless Hall was (drop him , delist him etc.) due to his occasional 1-2 turnovers per game . (That’s going to happen we you have footy 30+ times a game )
We missed him so much in a similar scenario last year and did nothing to try to remotely replace him with another run & carry type player .
At the beginning of this Season he was injured in a pre season game . We played putrid in the next 2 practice games without him . The same we are now . Thank **** he managed to get back in time for round 1 vs Hawks . 2 years later our coaching staff have not identified this problem and as a result we are bleeding badly without him.
I said it before, that behind Cunners, Hall is our most important player right now . (JHF excepting)
My question to Mr Noble is “don’t you farking see this too ? And where is the next player we are grooming to take Halls spot , (he is over 30) …”
“Why can’t we try a TT , Sleevo or even a young Goater ? “
Hall will be out injured for a further 2-3 weeks . Are we just going to sit here waiting for him and in the meantime keep struggling getting the ball out of the backline?
NMFC coaches staff (STERN LOOK)

Agree 100%. Nobel’s entire game plan revolves around Ben Cunnington and Aaron Hall. Hall generates off half back. Ben wins the clearance and opens up the midfield. If those two are fit and firing we are a competent competitive team. They are both so very good it got us 4.5 wins last year. But What sort of game plan relies on 2 X 30+ year olds 1 with cancer and one with bad hamstrings?

 

[dus]

Should of got Chocco. It’s no wonder the Dees have come good.

With regards to building the list, didn’t Clayton make a mess of the Suns. Luffy, supposed SuperCoach gun, drafts players that don’t find the footy.

Brady has been very underwhelming. His nous on the trade table is severely overrated. Basically helped Dees build their premiership list, got his ass handed to him by Richmond. Besides a few nothing pick swaps can’t remember him doing anything else.

Noble is meh. But it’s not all his fault. He’s surrounded himself with rubbish. That is his fault.

Is Blakey even doing anything?

Can’t blame the old guys forever, they’re rubbish, but look at the kids coming through Freo on Friday. It was them that beat us. Why don’t our kids do that?

 

[Themanbun]

100% agree,
I highlighted how dependent our game plan (if u can a call it that ) a year or 2 ago was on Hall’s half back run & carry , forward running, meters gained , give n go ‘s & urgency type of fast play from our backline .
But …. There were still some nuff nuff NFI campaigners North BigFooty supporters here harping about how useless Hall was (drop him , delist him etc.) due to his occasional 1-2 turnovers per game . (That’s going to happen we you have footy 30+ times a game )
We missed him so much in a similar scenario last year and did nothing to try to remotely replace him with another run & carry type player .
At the beginning of this Season he was injured in a pre season game . We played putrid in the next 2 practice games without him . The same we are now . Thank **** he managed to get back in time for round 1 vs Hawks . 2 years later our coaching staff have not identified this problem and as a result we are bleeding badly without him.
I said it before, that behind Cunners, Hall is our most important player right now . (JHF excepting)
My question to Mr Noble is “don’t you farking see this too ? And where is the next player we are grooming to take Halls spot , (he is over 30) …”
“Why can’t we try a TT , Sleevo or even a young Goater ? “
Hall will be out injured for a further 2-3 weeks . Are we just going to sit here waiting for him and in the meantime keep struggling getting the ball out of the backline?
NMFC coaches staff (STERN LOOK)

Agreed. I had commandeered the Hall Hovercraft. Genuinely think he was one of the best half backs in the league given the immensity of his task week in week out.

 

[Cyber_punk]

Should of got Chocco. It’s no wonder the Dees have come good.

With regards to building the list, didn’t Clayton make a mess of the Suns. Luffy, supposed SuperCoach gun, drafts players that don’t find the footy.

Brady has been very underwhelming. His nous on the trade table is severely overrated. Basically helped Dees build their premiership list, got his ass handed to him by Richmond. Besides a few nothing pick swaps can’t remember him doing anything else.

Noble is meh. But it’s not all his fault. He’s surrounded himself with rubbish. That is his fault.

Is Blakey even doing anything?

Can’t blame the old guys forever, they’re rubbish, but look at the kids coming through Freo on Friday. It was them that beat us. Why don’t our kids do that?

Choco was my first choice originally. He indicated in radio interviews at the time he was very keen to coach again. If Noble doesn't work out (I sure hope he does, lovely guy but 6 wins is looking unlikely and that was my pass mark) and there's no improvement we should consider him or Clarko

 

[Nylex]

Choco was my first choice originally. He indicated in radio interviews at the time he was very keen to coach again. If Noble doesn't work out (I sure hope he does, lovely guy but 6 wins is looking unlikely and that was my pass mark) and there's no improvement we should consider him or Clarko

6 wins, extending the young guys contracts and seeing improvement in game plan and cohesion was my pass mark.

 

[justroyal]

Looking at snippets from games of years gone by, when we had a young LDU playing and when we were a lot more competitive in games. The biggest thing that we lack that is clear as daylight is intensity.

I mean is Young really much worse of a kick than Marley Williams

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, Pittard or Macmillan? (Don’t answer that)

I’m starting to think that along with the highly anaerobic and fatiguing game plan - Noble can’t get these guys up to the standard required for the intensity that is AFL.

 

[Hawker55]

Choco was my first choice originally. He indicated in radio interviews at the time he was very keen to coach again. If Noble doesn't work out (I sure hope he does, lovely guy but 6 wins is looking unlikely and that was my pass mark) and there's no improvement we should consider him or Clarko

Sorry to intrude, but as a Hawks fan a lot of the concerns you have on Noble would apply to Clarko. Playing favourites (especially at the end) and a lack of trust in youth. The Clarko of 2021 was very different to the Clarko of 05 that pumped games into young kids.

 

[kool kangas]

Choco was my first choice originally. He indicated in radio interviews at the time he was very keen to coach again. If Noble doesn't work out (I sure hope he does, lovely guy but 6 wins is looking unlikely and that was my pass mark) and there's no improvement we should consider him or Clarko

Choco was my first choice also , however the club decided on Noble and most supporters "including me " liked it. l am prepared to wait until the end of the season before judgement but if the club decides Noble needs replacing then they should go after Choco and even Clarkson whom l think will end up at either GWS or Suns. We have been decimated by injuries and players are down on confidence after horrid games but l cant see how turning things upside down at round 8 will help ...We are not going to make final and may not even win another game but as North supporters its our job to support the players, coaches and officials not complain about them..

 

[Mr Lloyd Christmas]

The Coach cannot keep playing the non-performing senior guys. It's that simple. It will end his career if he keeps doing it. They're not good enough, and it can't matter that some are in the leadership group, and surely someone's in his ear about that. Please tell me someone is.

A lack of selection integrity corrodes a football team. Only sacrificing the young players at the selection table sends a terrible message to the playing group. It causes confusion and worse still it breeds resentment.

Logically, if they were the only non-performers we would have won our share of games this year or at least have been competitive in most of them.

The risks of handing the keys to our younger guys and letting them go alone with a few of the more capable senior guys, shouldn't even be a concern now. The Coach is dying a death by a thousand cuts as it is.

I will maintain i'm supporting Noble for a little while yet (not long), but you have nailed what I have been thinking.

Completely agree. Fantastic post so it really is up to Noble now to prove why he deserves to keep the job (and those still supporting him) by these decisions or well, he is gone.

Very articulate and spot on.

 

[Hazey1977]

There's a post somewhere saying he'd been training with the wingers ..... I hope not as well.

Spent all pre-season training for outside roles apparently.

Nekminit plays inside all season in the two's!?!?!??

Renovate animos

 

[Horizons_00]

Choco may have been fantastic for our youth. And our skills!

 

[Shinboner1]

I think if Adam Simpson becomes available. Would have to think about it

Maybe as a line coach but not in a senior role.

 

[Shinboner1]

Choco may have been fantastic for our youth. And our skills!

Just not for our waistlines

 

[King Corey]

This Noble revelation re hard feedback is actually really encouraging.

We are a powder puff on-field contingent right now. It starts somewhere.

He's seen at least 2 clubs build up and launch serious assaults on the top of the ladder. He must be taken aback that our group has players who are not following the template he's seen produce improvement elsewhere.

If the reports are accurate I fully back him at the moment.

 

[Passmore]

This Noble revelation re hard feedback is actually really encouraging.

We are a powder puff on-field contingent right now. It starts somewhere.

He's seen at least 2 clubs build up and launch serious assaults on the top of the ladder. He must be taken aback that our group has players who are not following the template he's seen produce improvement elsewhere.

If the reports are accurate I fully back him at the moment.

If he’s the right bloke or not, he’s got a helluva lot of shit to wade through. He’s got to tear down a broken onfield culture. He needs a little bit of time.

Ralph’s article was interesting in that it read like a whack at Noble initially, but it was actually being thrown back on the players. I wonder who would have fed him the story?

 

[ArchKing Carey]

These days, coaching is a sum of all it's parts on not just the head coach. Do you have the right personnel, do you have the fitness and diet regimen and do you have the right skills coaches.

I wonder who teaches the forward's leading patterns and what the small forwards should be doing and positioning themselves at the drop of the ball? What about defensive structure? Is that Noble or our defensive coach?

I also think that the conditioning and fitness personnel need examination? Are our players being incorrectly conditioned which means they either too slow or not conditioned to carry out the plan?

What about basic skill coaches? Handballs and kicks to moving targets needs to be considered.

And finally, the onus is on the players to be hungry enough to train like a beast. We should be motivating the players to be training animals like Boomer was.

 

[Only Forwards]

If the reports are accurate I fully back him at the moment.

I find it really funny that in a bunch of posts and discussions that he has been painted as soft, too soft, that we need a military style leader or a Clarkson style coach.

If this feedback thing is true:
1) clearly Noble is not ok with where we are at.
2) we need to have a moment here where players get on the bus or get run over by it.
3) Beyond that, when we have those that are taking us forward we need to have a group resolution of where we are going and how committed to it we collectively are.

 

[Del191229]

I think folks have mentally rolled our disastrous year under Shaw into his time.

He's actually got to unpack and rebuild FROM that low.

Calling for him to go is just, wow.

Yay, let's have four coaches in four years.

wHy cAn'T wE dEvElOp PlAyeRs etc.

 

[r_boy]

Just specifically on Noble's move to the boundary line.

I do like it the move but think he needs to be a bit more animated and positive down there.

That's one place where he could really build on the feedback of being confrontational etc and hone a positive message and build his relationship with players.

Continue driving the standards in a different setting.