No.1 - what are we picking on here?

[AndyWalkersGirl]

I read someone's post that really made me thinkg about the whole K v C argument - many people are saying that Carlton will pick Kreuzer.

Is that because he is the best available talent, or is it because he is the best pick for what we need? Why does Carlton supposedly have him locked in the bag??

If we are only going on what we need, then that is a waste of a number 1 pick. We should always go with the best talent there is. If we waste a no.1 pick on Kreuzer and he turns out to be like Josh Fraser, and Cotchin turns out to be better than Murphy, then i'll be disappointed we picked on need instead of talent.

I want someone who can win us games off his own boot, someone who will provide some excitement. For me Kreuzer just seems the safe option. Stuff going with a safe option, lets go with the player that brings the most excitement and matchwinning ability. Give me the person that is the best available talent, not the one we need the most.

My question is why are people so sure that Carlton will go Kreuzer? Is it need, or is it because he is the best? I have a feeling it's the need factor, which si wrong to waste a no.1 pick on IMO

 

[HBF]

Talent wise, Kreuzer and Cotchin are very very hard to split. Both have had very good years in the under aged competition, although Cotchin did play the majority of his football with his school team PEGS.

I just think that adding Cotchin to our midfield would be the final piece in the jigsaw that completes our A-Grade midfield, and the ruckman we already have on our list will do a servicable job. Also, we can pickup a good ruckman later in the draft if we want.

 

[walshy93]

I think at the time, everyone said we needed a ruckm en, due to out "crap" supplies, but now, i especially, am wanting Cotchin at number 1, because we have Ackland for another year no-matter-what. Hampson, Cloke, Setanta, Aisake, that are all progressing, and another preseason will only hone their abilities.

I now am worried about some of our "lesser" midfielders, that, with the introduction of Judd, and (hopefully) Cotchin, some of our regulars over the past 2-3 years, who, incidently are pretty good, will not get a chance to really cement their place in our blossoming, destructive new '08 midfield

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Gotta take Kruezer.
Don't compare him with Fraser.
This bloke takes front position and marks overhead.
Wins his own ball, reads it like a mid,
kicks both feet, and is fantastic below his knees.

Heard Parko (though he's nuts, he knows a good bigman)
wax lyrical about him,
and was sure he had to change his pants afterwards.

The bloke has ticked all the boxes,
and is a must.

 

[Jeremias]

Either way, we will be very happy with our selection at number 1 - both Cotchin and Kreuzer should become excellent players in the long term.

Most people have us taking Kreuzer at number 1, and I agree with them, as I think that a tall like him is too good to pass on. However, I think that the decision is a lot closer than most make it out to be.

So, come Saturday morning, I think that we will be calling out Kreuzer's name, but to be honest, it would neither surprise me, or disappoint me, if we end up taking Cotchin instead.

 

[lou73]

I read someone's post that really made me thinkg about the whole K v C argument - many people are saying that Carlton will pick Kreuzer.

Is that because he is the best available talent, or is it because he is the best pick for what we need? Why does Carlton supposedly have him locked in the bag??

If we are only going on what we need, then that is a waste of a number 1 pick. We should always go with the best talent there is. If we waste a no.1 pick on Kreuzer and he turns out to be like Josh Fraser, and Cotchin turns out to be better than Murphy, then i'll be disappointed we picked on need instead of talent.

I want someone who can win us games off his own boot, someone who will provide some excitement. For me Kreuzer just seems the safe option. Stuff going with a safe option, lets go with the player that brings the most excitement and matchwinning ability. Give me the person that is the best available talent, not the one we need the most.

My question is why are people so sure that Carlton will go Kreuzer? Is it need, or is it because he is the best? I have a feeling it's the need factor, which si wrong to waste a no.1 pick on IMO

One thing I only know is that Wayne Hughes better not stuff up in this draft . But in saying that I think Carlton should pick kreuzer because he can play at CHF or FF

 

[windows]

Talent wise, Kreuzer and Cotchin are very very hard to split. Both have had very good years in the under aged competition, although Cotchin did play the majority of his football with his school team PEGS.

I just think that adding Cotchin to our midfield would be the final piece in the jigsaw that completes our A-Grade midfield, and the ruckman we already have on our list will do a servicable job. Also, we can pickup a good ruckman later in the draft if we want.

Seems you have you changed your mind since the PD?

 

[windows]

One thing I only know is that Wayne Hughes better not stuff up in this draft . But in saying that I think Carlton should pick kreuzer because he can play at CHF or FF

So if he CAN'T play at CHF or FF does that mean Cotchin is a better bet? Because I'm not convinced he CAN play key forward. Pinch hit yes. Key forward? I doubt it.

 

[BLue_Bloys]

Assuming they are equal on talent, (in which we should be taking the best available talent) my reasoning as to why we would take Kruezer is because someone with his attributes comes along very rarely, however the midfielder / HFFer is in abundance every draft.

 

[therubbernub]

At 200cm How the hell is he going to compete with some of the monsters out there which seem to represent the way the new game is progressing.
"He'll grow" I hear you say "he'll learn how to use his body to overcome..."
"his spring will allow him to...."

Well maybe maybe not. This is not the reason to recruit him though.

yes he might grow, learn the technique to compete etc but surely that is not how we should be assessing him. Too many if buts and maybes. Fact is he is far from being a shoe in to be a dominant ruckman.

So if we take that out of the equation we are left with a KPP with a big tank and big heart. Sound familiar? Didnt we just get rid of one of those?

With Cotchin in the side it is the tipping point for our midfield. He gives us one more dominant option that surely must take us into the elite midfields of the competition.

Ditch the Kreuzer go the Cotch

 

[Beloved]

I wrote this on another post, but I think we just can't afford to pass up Kreuzer. He is certainly neck and neck with Cotchin but when it all comes down to it, we NEED a ruckman.

 

[Jimthegreat]

Seems Kreuzer's the man.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,22776187-23211,00.html

 

[AndyWalkersGirl]

It's a shame we have to pick based on what we need most. We always need a core group of great midfielders.

 

[good2bblue]

At 200cm How the hell is he going to compete with some of the monsters out there which seem to represent the way the new game is progressing.
"He'll grow" I hear you say "he'll learn how to use his body to overcome..."
"his spring will allow him to...."

Well maybe maybe not. This is not the reason to recruit him though.

yes he might grow, learn the technique to compete etc but surely that is not how we should be assessing him. Too many if buts and maybes. Fact is he is far from being a shoe in to be a dominant ruckman.

So if we take that out of the equation we are left with a KPP with a big tank and big heart. Sound familiar? Didnt we just get rid of one of those?

With Cotchin in the side it is the tipping point for our midfield. He gives us one more dominant option that surely must take us into the elite midfields of the competition.

Ditch the Kreuzer go the Cotch

200cm isnt exactly short!! God, Do you think that Ruckkmen are all over 7ft nowadays?

 

[Schiall]

I can't exactly believe what i'm reading, with some Blues supporters here (and also in other threads) claiming that we don't need Kreuzer. Reading posts saying "we have Hampson and Aisake who are fine ruckman and therefore we dont need another ruckman" are ludicrous.

I distinctly remember going to games last year and being disgusted with out hopeless ruck stocks - led by a hack who shouldn't even be there. Don't get me wrong, I was impressed with Hampson in the games he played at the end of the year, but just remember for a second - the kid has played two games. Add to that Aisake, who people think will come in and somehow make an impact and those 2 ruckman put together is enough to sustain a winning side - these supporters must be dellusional.

Midfielders come by the truckloads in every draft. Good ruckmen are a rarity and are pivotal to building premierships. Kreuzer can play. He must be picked by Carlton or they will rue it.

 

[Pafloyul]

I read someone's post that really made me thinkg about the whole K v C argument - many people are saying that Carlton will pick Kreuzer.

Is that because he is the best available talent, or is it because he is the best pick for what we need? Why does Carlton supposedly have him locked in the bag??

If we are only going on what we need, then that is a waste of a number 1 pick. We should always go with the best talent there is. If we waste a no.1 pick on Kreuzer and he turns out to be like Josh Fraser, and Cotchin turns out to be better than Murphy, then i'll be disappointed we picked on need instead of talent.

I want someone who can win us games off his own boot, someone who will provide some excitement. For me Kreuzer just seems the safe option. Stuff going with a safe option, lets go with the player that brings the most excitement and matchwinning ability. Give me the person that is the best available talent, not the one we need the most.

My question is why are people so sure that Carlton will go Kreuzer? Is it need, or is it because he is the best? I have a feeling it's the need factor, which si wrong to waste a no.1 pick on IMO

You have a point AWG the last two number one picks we took the 'safe' option both times and with Kennedy also. Some are arguing that Pendlebury and Selwood are both potentially better players than who we picked up.

What else can you do when you have the number one selection? There is no room to move at the top. I would rather have kept pick three and twenty and traded pick one. I know that doesn't tell you who we should pick but we have been spoon fed with the early picks and it all becomes too speculative beyond that. We should really have maneuvered our way into getting some real first round depth in the last three years and given our recruiters and list a good workout. A missed opportunity, in my book, we have tall skinny developers and a few slick onballers that lack a bit of an edge. What we largely don't have is durability and explosiveness.

On the face of it, I rate Kruezer and Cotchin about even but Cotchin has the added bonus of being bottom aged and, therefor, may have more room to develop.

 

[Jimthegreat]

It's a shame we have to pick based on what we need most. We always need a core group of great midfielders.

Two picks in the top 3. Usually means a midfielder and a tall. We have a midfielder with pick 3, Judd, so this time we pick a tall, the player almost universally thought to be the best pick anyway. Besides, while Kreuzer's not a direct replacement we have lost 2 talls recently, Kennedy and Whitnall. You have to pick talls at some stage, espeically given the time they take to come to hand. You can always get a midfielder next year, or even with pick 36. There's always more of them more readily available.

 

[AndyWalkersGirl]

I can't exactly believe what i'm reading, with some Blues supporters here (and also in other threads) claiming that we don't need Kreuzer. Reading posts saying "we have Hampson and Aisake who are fine ruckman and therefore we dont need another ruckman" are ludicrous.

I distinctly remember going to games last year and being disgusted with out hopeless ruck stocks - led by a hack who shouldn't even be there. Don't get me wrong, I was impressed with Hampson in the games he played at the end of the year, but just remember for a second - the kid has played two games. Add to that Aisake, who people think will come in and somehow make an impact and those 2 ruckman put together is enough to sustain a winning side - these supporters must be dellusional.

Midfielders come by the truckloads in every draft. Good ruckmen are a rarity and are pivotal to building premierships. Kreuzer can play. He must be picked by Carlton or they will rue it.

So you're suggesting that we pick based on need, instead of who could be the best available talent??

 

[Jeremias]

So you're suggesting that we pick based on need, instead of who could be the best available talent??

I think that he is suggesting that if it's a very tough decision, which it obviously is, between a tall and a small, then we should go for the tall based on the way our list looks. And I agree with that 100%.

 

[bmaurizio]

Matty come on down, he'll be one of the best Rucks in the capper in three years time.
As the great Jack Dyer said a game is won in the Ruck and a good big man is always better than a good small man.
Go Blues
Ciao

 

[XXX KINGS]

At 200cm How the hell is he going to compete with some of the monsters out there which seem to represent the way the new game is progressing.
"He'll grow" I hear you say "he'll learn how to use his body to overcome..."
"his spring will allow him to...."

Well maybe maybe not. This is not the reason to recruit him though.

yes he might grow, learn the technique to compete etc but surely that is not how we should be assessing him. Too many if buts and maybes. Fact is he is far from being a shoe in to be a dominant ruckman.

So if we take that out of the equation we are left with a KPP with a big tank and big heart. Sound familiar? Didnt we just get rid of one of those?

With Cotchin in the side it is the tipping point for our midfield. He gives us one more dominant option that surely must take us into the elite midfields of the competition.

Ditch the Kreuzer go the Cotch

200 cm is short??? **** me!!!

Height is soooo overrated it is not funny. What is important is how long his arm span and leap is, not how long his neck is. Adrian Deluca had a 150cm neck forming the nucleus of a 200cm body, who would have thought he couldn't ruck for shit.

Honestly, I don't mind whether we go Kreuzer or Cotchin next Saturday, just about everyone who watches these kids will tell you they are so hard to split. So how can people go about suggesting that we are selecting based on need instead of talent when everyone acknowledges they are pracitcally equal. If Wayne Hughes goes Kreuzer it will be because he views him to be the best player in the draft. Simple.

I just wish all these sooky sooky lala's would stfu.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=303348

Wayne Hughes speaks to these players, sees more of these players and has experience in this business. Give the guy a break ffs

 

[XXX KINGS]

So you're suggesting that we pick based on need, instead of who could be the best available talent??

Maybe Kreuzer is the best available talent??? AGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

 

[Jeremias]

Maybe Kreuzer is the best available talent??? AGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

What about Gomez?

 

[XXX KINGS]

What about Gomez?

Probably best for Carlton that I'm not recruiting manager. LOL

 

[Jeremias]

Probably best for Carlton that I'm not recruiting manager. LOL

Yep, probably indeed

I imagine that if you were, you'd say.

Pick 1: Player XXX : Gomez the special Capybara