No credibility Mick

[eastaugh36]

Originally posted by Lestat


And thats big coming from an Essendon Supporter. They win won grand final, and you all think you're the 'team of the century'. Now thats what I call a joke.

Talk about underachieving....one premiership with the supposed 'team of the century'.

Yes. But our team of 2000 was the greatest ever in a sinlge season. I admit we underachieved and should have possibly snagged at least 1 more premiership than we did but who's to say we wont be up there again soon ? We havent lost any real stars and we have some great kids such as Watson,Reynolds and Lay**** who looks the goods. A good thing about us is that sheedy always is drafting kids unlike carlton who go for the quick fix, which means that we never really have rebuilding periods like clubs like carlton and st kilda have of late.

 

[Lestat]

Exactly, and that is what makes people dislike him, the fact that he wears so many bloody hats and cant see that it is a conflict of interest ! Plus he thinks his s*** doesnt stink.

So you hate him cause he's Coll President...thought so!

and keep the COI crap to yourself, like you need an excuse to hate him. You've already got one, he's a coll Pres. Isn't that enough.

COI, pleeaase

If you were gonna hate everyone in footy that has a COI, then there wouldn't be anyone left.

Strange how everyone goes on about Eddies COI, yet I hardly hear a whisper about Ian Collins.

But yeah, hate Eddie all you want. Bring it on!

 

[mustapha]

My point is that over the history of the AFL/VFL Collingwood have proven to be bigger underachievers than Essendon (using the popular logic that 2nd = underachievement).

A Collingwood supporter can't claim that Essendon have underachieved from 1999-2001 unless they are willing to concede that they are the biggest underachievers in the history of the game.

 

[Lockyer24]

Bit hard to finish 2nd when you cant even win the Preliminary Final to get there even though you're the 'Best team ever'

 

[Lestat]

Yes. But our team of 2000 was the greatest ever in a sinlge season.

hehehe,

I don't recall Essendon supporters saying that before you lost the 2001 gf.

If i recall, you were all bragging about being the 'team of the century' during the 2001 season. Not the greatest team in one season. And Mike Sheehan's crap articles (Are the bombers the greatest team ever) just fed your delusional thoughts.

How you could compare the Essendon team after one gf, with the Hawks of the 80's, Melbourne of the 50's and 60's, Carl of the early 80's, and Coll of the 20's (not in any particular order)? They don't even come close to the greatness of these sides.

When you lost the 2001 gf, and realised how stupid that call was, it was down graded to 'greatest team in a single season'.

Besides, even thats arguable.

Collingwood in 1930 I think it was, lost one game all season, and won the GF.

So why is it that Essendon in 2000 is better than that Collingwood sides?? If you say because they won more games, then that serious clutching at straws don't you think?? Both lost one game for the season, and both won the grand final!

 

[dreamkillers]

Originally posted by Lestat
And last years wizard cup final was in Adelaide wasn't it??

Nope it was at Colonial as the AFL wanted to maximise the attendance which didn't quite happen..........

 

[Lestat]

My point is that over the history of the AFL/VFL Collingwood have proven to be bigger underachievers than Essendon (using the popular logic that 2nd = underachievement).

You don't get it do you. Its all relative. I've tried to explain, but seems its gone right over your head.

Essendon in 1999/2000 and 2001 were expected to win the GF. They had the talent. Yet they only won one GF. Can you see how that is an underachievement.

Now, do you believe that Collingwood over the last hundred years, have had the most talented playing squads of all the teams? If you do, then yeah, you can say we underachieved.

People say that we over achieved by making the gf last year, yet Essendon underachieved by losing it in 2001. Why is that? Perhaps because the expectations of Ess in 2001 were alot higher then the expectations of Coll in 2002.

So I repeat, do you believe that Collingwood were expected to win all those gf that they lost. Were they even expected to make them???

A Collingwood supporter can't claim that Essendon have underachieved from 1999-2001 unless they are willing to concede that they are the biggest underachievers in the history of the game.

Can't??

No, I can and I have!

Let me ask you a question, ok.

If Carlton make the GF next season, and lose it. Do you think that they've underachieved???

Using your logic, I expect a 'yes' answer.

 

[Lestat]

Nope it was at Colonial as the AFL wanted to maximise the attendance which didn't quite happen..........

Fair enough..Port v Richmond was it??

Well, serves them right for depending on a rabble that is Richmond

But there was a Pre-season final in Adelaide wasn't there??

Port v Brisbane I think it was. When was that??

 

[Jars458]

Originally posted by Lestat
You keep saying that, where do you get your info from???

the only AFL members that get in for free, are those that aren't Club support packages.

I have a Coll AFL Full membership, and that did not entitle me to get into the game.

However, I agree with ya, the whole crowds thing is really a shallow argument.

Its on the AFL website

I quote

"As well as this, both Competition and Club Support Members receive access* to Pre-season Cup Matches, the Pre-season Cup Grand Final, all CUB AFL Finals played in Victoria during the first two weeks of the Finals plus much more"

 

[Hurricane75]

Originally posted by Jars458
Its on the AFL website

I quote

"As well as this, both Competition and Club Support Members receive access* to Pre-season Cup Matches, the Pre-season Cup Grand Final, all CUB AFL Finals played in Victoria during the first two weeks of the Finals plus much more"

I stand corrected, maybe I should get my facts straight

But it is practically pre-paid in the price of their membership.

 

[Lestat]

Its on the AFL website

Well, I must of got ripped then. Cause I tried to use my membership, and was told that it doesn't work.

Perhaps it was that way, but they changed the entitlements.

Wouldn't be the first time that AFL members have had our entitlements changed, after we've purchased our memberships.

 

[mustapha]

Since 1897 Collingwood have made the finals 73 times (Essendon 60, Carlton 64). All three teams have been minor premiers 17 times. If you finish minor premiers generally on most occasions you have the best list for the year so I would say that throughout their history Collinwood have had equally talented lists as Essendon and Carlton. Why have Collingwood got less premierships? If you finish minor premiers, expectations should be that you will win the grand final because you have the best list. Has Collingwood had lower expectations throughout their history? If Collingwood have had inferior lists or expectations, why? Why have they always been the underdogs?

If Carlton are minor premiers next year they will probably have the best list for the year so if they lose the grand final they will see that as a wasted opportunity, therefore they will have underachieved. This is based on the logic (applied to Essendon)that if you don't win, you fail.

 

[eastaugh36]

Originally posted by Jars458
Its on the AFL website

I quote

"As well as this, both Competition and Club Support Members receive access* to Pre-season Cup Matches, the Pre-season Cup Grand Final, all CUB AFL Finals played in Victoria during the first two weeks of the Finals plus much more"

This was just brought up on the sports show tonight, Patrick Keane contacted them and told KG that entry IS included. Mcguire was wrong, yet he still hounded KG about this issue believing KG was wrong. Idiot.

 

[eastaugh36]

Its hilarious tonight, Mcguire sure is copping it about his admamant self righteous stance on something he is WRONG about. ! Lol.

 

[eastaugh36]

Originally posted by Lestat
hehehe,

I don't recall Essendon supporters saying that before you lost the 2001 gf.

If i recall, you were all bragging about being the 'team of the century' during the 2001 season. Not the greatest team in one season. And Mike Sheehan's crap articles (Are the bombers the greatest team ever) just fed your delusional thoughts.

How you could compare the Essendon team after one gf, with the Hawks of the 80's, Melbourne of the 50's and 60's, Carl of the early 80's, and Coll of the 20's (not in any particular order)? They don't even come close to the greatness of these sides.

When you lost the 2001 gf, and realised how stupid that call was, it was down graded to 'greatest team in a single season'.

Besides, even thats arguable.

Collingwood in 1930 I think it was, lost one game all season, and won the GF.

So why is it that Essendon in 2000 is better than that Collingwood sides?? If you say because they won more games, then that serious clutching at straws don't you think?? Both lost one game for the season, and both won the grand final!

We may not be regarded as having the greatest era but there is no denying we had the single greatest season ever in 2000.

 

[Squeak]

For the record I don't think Eddie gave Tweedledum and Tweedledee the best opportunity to get their points across. It's not like they were valid or anything, but still Eddie was unfair.

 

[NICK THE PIE MAN]

Originally posted by hotpie
You are just jealous that the StKilda list are too young to shave.

 

[Tio_Ray]

Originally posted by Squeak
For the record I don't think Eddie gave Tweedledum and Tweedledee the best opportunity to get their points across. It's not like they were valid or anything, but still Eddie was unfair.

I don't think "unfair" is the correct word..."punishing" sounds about right.

 

[JLC]

The only thing i learnt is that the public in South Australia is broke as they can't afford to go the football.

Its quite funny how South Australians think they get treated harshily. Yet in reality the AFL looks after them rather well. Generally Port Adelaide and Adelaide games never clash. They never play at the same weekend at Footy Park unless its in their local derbys. Most of their games if not all are televised free to air if not at Football Park. What other clubs besides WCE and Freo get that luxury ?? Yet they still b**** and moan about how harshily they are treated.

If the AFL really wanted to be harsh they could schedule both South Australian teams away for a weekend and thus give the football public of Sth Australia nothing for a weekend!!!!!!!!!

jlc

 

[eastaugh36]

Originally posted by JLC
The only thing i learnt is that the public in South Australia is broke as they can't afford to go the football.

Its quite funny how South Australians think they get treated harshily. Yet in reality the AFL looks after them rather well. Generally Port Adelaide and Adelaide games never clash. They never play at the same weekend at Footy Park unless its in their local derbys. Most of their games if not all are televised free to air if not at Football Park. What other clubs besides WCE and Freo get that luxury ?? Yet they still b**** and moan about how harshily they are treated.

If the AFL really wanted to be harsh they could schedule both South Australian teams away for a weekend and thus give the football public of Sth Australia nothing for a weekend!!!!!!!!!

jlc

Garbage. Obviously games would never clash because it would make it difficult for radio stations to cover both at once
Big deal if they never play in SA at the same time ! What has that got do do with it ? Port and crows are such big rivals and enemies that you are being dumb to think fans would go to both teams matches.
All Melbourne teams games are televised live into Melbourne if they are playing interstate

 

[JLC]

Originally posted by eastaugh36
Garbage. Obviously games would never clash because it would make it difficult for radio stations to cover both at once
Big deal if they never play in SA at the same time ! What has that got do do with it ? Port and crows are such big rivals and enemies that you are being dumb to think fans would go to both teams matches.
All Melbourne teams games are televised live into Melbourne if they are playing interstate

My point was the AFL looks after them when it comes to scheduling. The crap ive read this week you would think that the AFL were anti adelaide when it comes to scheduling when that just isn't the case.

Not all Melbourne games are televised on Free to air if they play interstate.

jlc

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Lestat
What are you talking about?? Stiffed twice?

If your talking about last years final, well that was a different comp.

And last years wizard cup final was in Adelaide wasn't it??

Actually stiffed three times in 12 months, and let me take you though it:

*Wizard Cup Semi-final against Richmond had to be played at colonial even if the rules stated lin last year wizard cup that a better placed qualifier of the 2 teams playing get the game at home. Crows were better qualified than Richmond and we got SHAFTED.

*Semi final against Melbourne played at the MCG. We finished 3rd and as such we were entitled to a home semifinal but for some stupid contract we got shipped off to MCG. Even after Wayne Jackson said that they could "bank" a final so down the track if there are 2 or more Victorian teams playing a semifinal then both matched would be played at the MCG while Adelaide could have played their much deserved home final in 2002, but it wasn't to be. SHAFTED

And once again in 2003 Wizard Cup Final. SHAFTED.

So you cannot tell me that we do not have the right to be bloody LIVID. And by the wya you might need to grow a brain to see a different perspective

 

[mighty mick]

Originally posted by Lockyer24
Bit hard to finish 2nd when you cant even win the Preliminary Final to get there even though you're the 'Best team ever'

apparently the opposition in those preliminaries were considered tough opposition until essendon got beaten both times, then apparently they became easybeat teams once the roos played them and beat them in the grand finals of 96+99

as for eddie he gave the idiots in sa a go but they couldnt get it into thier fat heads that no members got in for free to wizzard cup games.

 

[JLC]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Actually stiffed three times in 12 months, and let me take you though it:

*Wizard Cup Semi-final against Richmond had to be played at colonial even if the rules stated lin last year wizard cup that a better placed qualifier of the 2 teams playing get the game at home. Crows were better qualified than Richmond and we got SHAFTED.

*Semi final against Melbourne played at the MCG. We finished 3rd and as such we were entitled to a home semifinal but for some stupid contract we got shipped off to MCG. Even after Wayne Jackson said that they could "bank" a final so down the track if there are 2 or more Victorian teams playing a semifinal then both matched would be played at the MCG while Adelaide could have played their much deserved home final in 2002, but it wasn't to be. SHAFTED

And once again in 2003 Wizard Cup Final. SHAFTED.

So you cannot tell me that we do not have the right to be bloody LIVID. And by the wya you might need to grow a brain to see a different perspective

All very good points. Now please do me a favour and tell me about the year that Geelong had to travel and play at football park in the finals (1997 to be precise)

It was the year you won the Premiership. Geelong finished SECOND at the end of the Home and Away seasons while the Crows were fourth.

It aint all one way traffic how you would like us all to think now is it??

jlc

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by JLC
All very good points. Now please do me a favour and tell me about the year that Geelong had to travel and play at football park in the finals (1997 to be precise)

It was the year you won the Premiership. Geelong finished SECOND at the end of the Home and Away seasons while the Crows were fourth.

It aint all one way traffic how you would like us all to think now is it??

Honestly I think Geelong were EXTREMELY stiff not only for playing that game away but also for the clear mark in dying seconds of the game, that was not awarded to Colbert. Its not one way but more often than not its the SA and WA clubs that shafted. As I said the reason that I am livid is because it has happened to us 3 times in 12 MONTHS which is unacceptable