No stars left from South Australia

[Ron The Bear]

I think a part of the problem stems from a lack of Physical education at primary school level.
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There was a time when the Little League used the VFL/AFL goalposts...

As a junior, we played cricket under the same conditions as the men and were better for it. Obviously there are a lot of choices around now, but while young cricketers are just as naturally talented as they were a generation or two ago, they also seem (as a rule) to be less passionate, dedicated, knowledgeable, resilient, and less determined to win. Maybe it's a Gen Y thing, or maybe it's the modern promotion of participation ahead of competition at a young age.

 

[Established1870]

I actually was alive and watching events as they happended. What have I said that factually incorrect?

Reading through Bruce Abernathy's book about Port joining the AFL and seeing what Basheer, Weber, Cahill and a few others had to say, everything you've said is wrong.

 

[Bokonon_]

Reading through Bruce Abernathy's book about Port joining the AFL and seeing what Basheer, Weber, Cahill and a few others had to say, everything you've said is wrong.

Again what was wrong? My offer to read and consider was made to one your posters, that from other posts I have read, deserves some respect. I will extend the same offer to you but bolts from the blue aint gonna do it.

 

[El_Scorcho]

I'd prefer to see junior development taken out of the hands of the SANFL clubs, and have a TAC cup style comp for juniors in the state.

The SANFL teams are all about winning which is fair enough. SANFL football isn't an ideal environment for elite development because of the strong team defense style which is the opposite of the tag-free sort of footy they try to play at state U18 level.

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[marty36]

I'd prefer to see junior development taken out of the hands of the SANFL clubs, and have a TAC cup style comp for juniors in the state.

The SANFL teams are all about winning which is fair enough. SANFL football isn't an ideal environment for elite development because of the strong team defense style which is the opposite of the tag-free sort of footy they try to play at state U18 level.

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I agree, and Im sure the SANFL wont care, its less expense for the clubs!

But who will do it I thought the AFL had issues with

The players wanting more money
14 of the 18 Clubs striuggling financially
Pouring cash into the northern states

If they do it for SA, the WA and the Northern states will need TAC like arrangemnts also

Where is the coin coming from?

 

[Established1870]

But who will do it I thought the AFL had issues with

The AFL don't run the TAC Cup to begin with.

The players wanting more money

That's not an issue financially for the AFL.

14 of the 18 Clubs striuggling financially

Where did you exactly get this number from?

Pouring cash into the northern states

That still isn't a drain on the AFL like people think it is.

 

[marty36]

The AFL don't run the TAC Cup to begin with.



That's not an issue financially for the AFL.



Where did you exactly get this number from?



That still isn't a drain on the AFL like people think it is.

Certainly do, the VFL administer it and AFL fund it, the teams are stand alone

 

[marty36]

The AFL don't run the TAC Cup to begin with.



That's not an issue financially for the AFL.



Where did you exactly get this number from?



That still isn't a drain on the AFL like people think it is.

It clearly is an issue for the AFL you can ignore the fact so many clubs are struggling the players are looking for more coin the clubs want more distribution and the funds aren't there to go around to those two groups if you like

The AFL isnt a bottomless Pitt like you are thinking they are trying to build but certainly have their issues

 

[walhawk]

I think a part of the problem stems from a lack of Physical education at primary school level.

My kid gos to a large (1300 student) primary school, where PE class is 1 hour a week.
I coached his footy side this year and it was a real struggle to round up 9 players from 2 year levels to field a team. Ended up poaching 3 kids from the age group below in order to field a side.

Kid played soccer and Cricket the year before and much was the same.Many of the kids being so unfit and uncoordinated it looked as if this was the first time they had ever experienced the company of a ball.

They dont play these sports at lunch time as there isnt enough field space left in school grounds anymore since the Labor Government handed out all that money to schools for new wizzbang pergolas,portable Drama/ESL rooms,drinking troughs and other assorted infrastructure.
they cant go outside if too hot,too cold,too wet, if someone has a peanut butter sandwich within a 5k radius, arent allowed to touch each other, cant play with leather balls as they are an OH+S issue etc etc.

All the Parents are too "Timepoor" these days to get off their arses on a weeknight and on a Saturday morning to ferry/watch their kid play.

They have overly encouraged a "everyones a winner" policy and overregulated youth sport to the point where participation has become too much of an effort. and have killed thw fun on it.

Anyway....Youth sport has been pussified to the max in this state.

What is this like in other states? That sound ridiculously low and if true woupd indicate a huge problem going forward.
At my kids' school (Eastern suburbs Melb) around 75% of the boys did Auskick and half played junior club footy until at least U12s.

 

[Ian Dunross]

Haven't read the whole thread, it may have already been said, but it's produced Pavlich, Enright, Riccutio, Lake, Burgoyne - some of the best players of the past 2 decades

I think other states are over taking SA because of population rather than SA stopping producing talent, but I'm no expert

 

[Ramify]

What is this like in other states? That sound ridiculously low and if true woupd indicate a huge problem going forward.
At my kids' school (Eastern suburbs Melb) around 75% of the boys did Auskick and half played junior club footy until at least U12s.

My kid plays club footy as well and that seems to be going ok numbers wise for the larger clubs albeit the competition suffers continual restructure,rule changes,overregulation and a power struggles between governing bodies,but as far as school footy In our zone, traditionally strong sporting schools are struggling to scratch up enough players for 9 a side (Public school comp.Cant speak for the private schools).

In saying all that, Auskick seems to be doing o.k. So maybe kids are going straight from there to club, and school footy is suffering. Whatever the cause, the numbers of kids participating in sport across the board seem extremely low compared to when I was growing up.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Why isn't South Australia producing stars anymore?
My question is what's happening in SA? Is this the bad part of the cycle or this this the new normal? Do South Australians really want to watch local teams made up of Victorians?

A long term slow decline will occur because its a numbers game.

There is the basic data in the story linked that has produced these graphs below.

https://hurlingpeoplenow.wordpress....h-state-is-the-most-productive-footy-factory/
Round 19 – which state is the most productive “footy factory”?
JULY 29, 2016

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We can see then that Victoria has obviously produced the most currently listed AFL players, and also produced the most per head of population. However, South Australians and Western Australians have played more games on average than Victorians:

And as a result the per-capita contribution of football to the AFL is higher by South Australia than by Victoria:

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The more successful average careers of SA and WA seems to suggest that marginal Victorians are more likely to be recruited than similarly marginal players from elsewhere. That might be a recruiter bias towards the TAC Cup or clubs leaning towards hometown recruitment.

By contrast, the ACT shows as an emerging football base, currently having twice the players per capita as Queensland and four times NSW, but with a much lower number of games per player. 7 of the 8 have played a senior game, but the ACT players are mostly quite young and new to the league. This is a new situation, as we’d be surprised if there have ever been 8 Canberrans in the league simultaneously before.....

The two most successful Victorian clubs of recent years (Hawthorn and Geelong) have the lowest current share of Victorian-origin players. Only St Kilda is as non-reliant on Victorian experience, thanks to Riewoldt, Gilbert and Armitage from Queensland being among their oldest heads.

......Most Victorian clubs have a higher predominance of hometown players most non-Victorian clubs. Aside from West Coast as an outlier, it’s a completely bifurcated distribution.
https://hurlingpeoplenow.wordpress....h-state-is-the-most-productive-footy-factory/

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Why isn't South Australia producing stars anymore?

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• 2011 - Brad McKenzie #18, Alex Forster #29, Mitch Grigg #41, Sam Rowe #44, Nicholas Joyce #46, Jordan Murdoch #48

Wingard #6 in 2011 debut's in 2012 - All Oz small forward in 2013 and 2015 suggests an overlooked star to me.