Rumour Noah Balta assault charges

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Pleading guilty doesn't actually mean guilty. It's often the fastest course of action to move on with life. Many judicial systems operate like this.
It's also the fastest way to ensure you have it on your record, which you wouldn't do if there was any, any, anyyyyy chance you weren't actually guilty.
 
It's also the fastest way to ensure you have it on your record, which you wouldn't do if there was any, any, anyyyyy chance you weren't actually guilty.
Frequently happens in Japan where actually the smartest move is to admit guilt, pay the fine (aka 'suspended sentence' in Australia) and move on. Not everything is straightforward. Often pleading to a lesser charge means not being charged on a bigger one, seen this happen frequently in numerous jurisdictions here and around the world. Think about it.
 
Sorry to burst your bubble big fella. Pleading guilty to the charge makes you legally guilty for the charge.
You're missing the point. It's often the quickest path to avoid a bigger charge which may have been on the table. Never heard the expression, 'pled it down'? It means cop to the smaller offence, instead of risk challenging the bigger offence, get a relative slap on the wrist and move on with things.
 

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You're missing the point. It's often the quickest path to avoid a bigger charge which may have been on the table. Never heard the expression, 'pled it down'? It means cop to the smaller offence, instead of risk challenging the bigger offence, get a relative slap on the wrist and move on with things.
So is he guilty of the offence he pleaded guilty to or not?
 
Frequently happens in Japan where actually the smartest move is to admit guilt, pay the fine (aka 'suspended sentence' in Australia) and move on. Not everything is straightforward. Often pleading to a lesser charge means not being charged on a bigger one, seen this happen frequently in numerous jurisdictions here and around the world. Think about it.

I understand your theory, I just don't think it's necessarily in play here. Japan also has a very draconian legal system, as Brian Lake found out.

Regardless, he's plead guilty to a charge - if he was at all innocent, or even had a chance of being so, he wouldn't have plead guilty.

So in your theory he's still guilty of assault, but he might also have been guilty of whatever 'coward punch' laws are in effect.
 
I understand your theory, I just don't think it's necessarily in play here. Japan also has a very draconian legal system, as Brian Lake found out.

Regardless, he's plead guilty to a charge - if he was at all innocent, or even had a chance of being so, he wouldn't have plead guilty.

So in your theory he's still guilty of assault, but he might also have been guilty of whatever 'coward punch' laws are in effect.
Correct. I'm not saying he's guilty - I wasn't there, but my point is that he's plead guilty to a charge. That's where the expression 'plead it down' comes from. In doing so, he can be pleading to a 'lesser charge' to avoid being tried and found guilty of a worse charge. Police can recategorise charges, so can lawyers, its part of the process. Well aware of Japanese system, it's more the culture of shame and admitting guilt.
 
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Correct. Well aware of Japanese system, it's more the culture of shame and admitting guilt.
Correct. That's my point. He pled to a charge, but that's where the expression 'plead it down' comes from. Police can recategorise charges, so can lawyers, its part of the process. Well aware of Japanese system, it's more the culture of shame and admitting guilt.

He's plead guilty but he's not guilty. Terrence Howard has joined bigfooty
Nuance escapes you, doesn't it?
 
Correct. I'm not saying he's guilty - I wasn't there, but my point is that he's plead guilty to a charge. That's where the expression 'plead it down' comes from. In doing so, he can be pleading to a 'lesser charge' to avoid being tried and foundn guilty of a worse charge. Police can recategorise charges, so can lawyers, its part of the process. Well aware of Japanese system, it's more the culture of shame and admitting guilt.
Where's the evidence there was a greater charge he avoided? You're talking tripe. He plead guilty to assault because he's guilty of assault. He has access to top lawyers and they've advised him there's no getting off the charge (because he is guilty) and so pleading early means he'll receive a reduced sentenced. End of.
 
But I was reliably informed by Richmond fans that he was not guilty because he was just defending himself against half a dozen thugs punching him in the face
Most Richmond fans I came across on our board agreed that the club wouldn’t have suspended Balta for 4 weeks if this was just a self-defence issue. I think you’re just exaggerating
 

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Cthe evidence there was a greater charge he avoided? You're talking tripe. He plead guilty to assault because he's guilty of assault. He has access to top lawyers and they've advised him there's no getting off the charge (because he is guilty) and so pleading early means he'll receive a reduced sentenced. End of.
Christ there are an inordinate amount of perseverating posters with limited reading comprehension on this page. I haven't definitively said there was a greater charge. From the beginning I said pleading guilty doesn't necessarily mean 'guilty' and the reasons it may be the case (including the possibility of a greater charge). Like i said i wasn't there, so noone can know the true situation apart from the parties involved. I could say the same of you, you've just said "because he's guilty of assault". How do you know? Were you there? And you've just regurgitated my point about the ultimate reason for pleading - to get off with a reduced sentence and move on. You must be fun at parties.
 
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You're missing the point. It's often the quickest path to avoid a bigger charge which may have been on the table. Never heard the expression, 'pled it down'? It means cop to the smaller offence, instead of risk challenging the bigger offence, get a relative slap on the wrist and move on with things.

I can't see why someone on a footballers salary, with the backing of one of the biggest football clubs, would not fight a guilty charge.
 
He's plead guilty but he's not guilty. Terrence Howard has joined bigfooty
What the poster is saying is that when someone pleads guilty, it does not necessarily mean they’re actually guilty of the charge they’re pleading guilty to. There are various reasons why they could be doing this, but it does happen sometimes. Generally speaking, it is either to move on from the situation or to avoid a worse outcome.

I don’t think this is the case in the Balta situation (sounds like he’s actually guilty of what he’s pleading guilty to IMO), but this does happen.
 
What the poster is saying is that when someone pleads guilty, it does not necessarily mean they’re actually guilty of the charge they’re pleading guilty to. There are various reasons why they could be doing this, but it does happen sometimes. Generally speaking, it is either to move on from the situation or to avoid a worse outcome.

I don’t think this is the case in the Balta situation (sounds like he’s actually guilty of what he’s pleading guilty to IMO), but this does happen.
See above. I understand plea bargaining but it's entirely immaterial to the issue. In the eyes of the law he is guilty of the charge he has admitted to
 
See above. I understand plea bargaining but it's entirely immaterial to the issue. In the eyes of the law he is guilty of the charge he has admitted to
I guess it all depends on whether a person only cares about guilt from only the judicial perspective tbh. If so, then I get why you’d see pleading guilty as the end of the story.
 

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