Society/Culture Nobody has anything new to say about God.

[Total Power]

Taking the piss out of your own pompous stupidity.

There's hope for you yet.

Stupidity, bwhahaha! says the one who doesn't understand what science is and the limitations of it. Nah, i am not the one googling for negatives of my very own "belief" system, fwiw i have no "beliefs", you do. When i said eminent neuroscientists back the theory, you ignored and continued your rant .It's clear you are a victim of the religion of science, which it has become unfortunately. Atleast the articles you posted were spot on, even you could be right, once in a while.

I have methods, which you can apply to yourself too, i stated many times, belief is a dirty word and no one should believe anything anyone says. Give it a try, even no hopers like you can see the light

 

[Procrastinator35]

Women, dont you luv' em. Keep dribbling, very entertaining.

Actually, Janus has been far & away the most erudite & interesting contributor to this thread.....I'm not entirely sure what a persons gender has to do with the competency of the ideas they express, nor the quality of their contribution.

 

[Janus]

Pythagoras and other Greek philosophers were the progenitors of mathematics. Entomologists would have you believe that the Greek word for mathematics came from a hypothetical word mendh, meaning “to care”...but it actually was derived from the Egyptian goddess Ma’at, meaning “truth”. For Pythagoras was a practitioner of sacred geometry and had visited Egypt and had participated in worship there.

Once you start actually researching the true history of the world instead of the dross that schools will teach you, you start learning how to drive the car - or who is behind the wheel - rather than getting caught up in the bullshit about how the engine works.

Of course it doesn’t surprise me who would rather be the equivalent of an intellectual grease monkey in this thread.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Pythagoras and other Greek philosophers were the progenitors of mathematics. Entomologists would have you believe that the Greek word for mathematics came from a hypothetical word mendh, meaning “to care”...but it actually was derived from the Egyptian goddess Ma’at, meaning “truth”. For Pythagoras was a practitioner of sacred geometry and had visited Egypt and had participated in worship there.

Once you start actually researching the true history of the world instead of the dross that schools will teach you, you start learning how to drive the car - or who is behind the wheel - rather than getting caught up in the bullshit about how the engine works.

Of course it doesn’t surprise me who would rather be the equivalent of an intellectual grease monkey in this thread.

Your drivel is endless.

Etiologists study origins and causation.

Entomologists study insects.

 

[Leeda]

now this is the talk I am wanting.. some big bombastic stick changing and blue shit candle stumping..

not really just some obviously erratic and blue note shattering hubbug..

 

[Leeda]

Nailed it.

used a bullet gun to work my way through it.. jammed my thumb but you don't have to ...

 

[Janus]

Your drivel is endless.

Etiologists study origins and causation.

Entomologists study insects.

Etymologist I meant.

 

[Total Power]

Etymologist I meant.

Excuse him, his brain cells are only capable of posting memes, make fun of people and pick mistakes in typing. He actually never replies to anything.

 

[RupieDupie]

Pythagoras and other Greek philosophers were the progenitors of mathematics. Entomologists would have you believe that the Greek word for mathematics came from a hypothetical word mendh, meaning “to care”...but it actually was derived from the Egyptian goddess Ma’at, meaning “truth”. For Pythagoras was a practitioner of sacred geometry and had visited Egypt and had participated in worship there.

Once you start actually researching the true history of the world instead of the dross that schools will teach you, you start learning how to drive the car - or who is behind the wheel - rather than getting caught up in the bullshit about how the engine works.

Of course it doesn’t surprise me who would rather be the equivalent of an intellectual grease monkey in this thread.

Are you claiming mathematics only comes from daemons again?

 

[Janus]

Are you claiming mathematics only comes from daemons again?

I’m not claiming anything, I just share what others believe and I find interesting. For example, the base 60 measurement of time came from Sumeria, and they claimed it was revealed to them by the Annunaki.

 

[Snake_Baker]

I’m not claiming anything, I just share what others believe and I find interesting. For example, the base 60 measurement of time came from Sumeria, and they claimed it was revealed to them by the Annunaki.

Then perhaps you should start up an historical trivia thread.

 

[RupieDupie]

I’m not claiming anything, I just share what others believe and I find interesting. For example, the base 60 measurement of time came from Sumeria, and they claimed it was revealed to them by the Annunaki.

What about the mathematicians who worked really hard to solve a mathematical problem or formulate a theorem?

 

[Janus]

Then perhaps you should start up an historical trivia thread.

Annunaki were Sumerian deities. It is therefore relevant to this thread

 

[Snake_Baker]

What about the mathematicians who worked really hard to solve a mathematical problem or formulate a theorem?

No significance, unless they recieved it via a Ouija board.

 

[Admiral Byng]

No significance, unless they recieved it via a Ouija board.

It's the same old logical fallacy repeated over and over again in this thread..

Somebody (e.g Pythagoras) was correct about some particular thing
Therefore he must have some special power of insight
With this special power of insight he must be correct in everything
He was also connected to some cult or school of religious thought
Therefore that must be true also because how could he believe in something false given his special insight

 

[Snake_Baker]

It's the same old logical fallacy repeated over and over again in this thread..

Somebody (e.g Pythagoras) was correct about some particular thing
Therefore he must have some special power of insight
With this special power of insight he must be correct in everything
He was also connected to some cult or school of religious thought
Therefore that must be true also because how could he believe in something false given his special insight

Nailed it beautifully.

These people would be worshiping the moon if they didn't have computers to keep them occupied.

 

[Procrastinator35]

It's the same old logical fallacy repeated over and over again in this thread..

Somebody (e.g Pythagoras) was correct about some particular thing
Therefore he must have some special power of insight
With this special power of insight he must be correct in everything
He was also connected to some cult or school of religious thought
Therefore that must be true also because how could he believe in something false given his special insight

The Pythagorean school were heavily into number mysticism, as they saw mathematics as a key to unlocking the knowable universe....Mathematics is not known as the Queen of the sciences for nothing.....The relevancy has to do with unlocking a conceptual frame-work that works both in real world applications & in our rational conceptual psyche also.

That includes the binary code, the use of grids & systemic applications in almost every human endeavour.....Which is No small thing.

Your attempts to implant a dichotomy betwixt the religious mystical component & the natural world of things is typical of modern man, who has lost the thread of connection between the 2....Cartesian dualism by another name....In other words, you are a victim of modern European philosophy, & you don't even realise it.

 

[Janus]

It's the same old logical fallacy repeated over and over again in this thread..

Somebody (e.g Pythagoras) was correct about some particular thing
Therefore he must have some special power of insight
With this special power of insight he must be correct in everything
He was also connected to some cult or school of religious thought
Therefore that must be true also because how could he believe in something false given his special insight

Actually that’s not what I’m saying at all.

It wasn’t that Pythagoras was correct about something. It was that the Egyptian cults were studying mathematics long before he ever came on the scene, because they needed to have an understanding of it to chart astronomical events and build the pyramids. The shafts were designed to look out at specific constellations (like Sirius).

I’m saying that belief in god was the progenitor of mathematic and scientific study, and that it’s only recently that these two areas have been seen to be incompatible.

You can believe or not believe, and that’s okay. What’s not okay is this binary opinion that if you believe in the divine that instantly means you must be some illogical imbecile, or if you don’t that means you’re super smart.

The fallacy people have is that the progression of enlightenment is linear, when the reality is that like anything, it oscillates in waves. At the moment the waveform of belief in god is at its lowest (which causes extremist behaviour in those that do believe) while belief in science is at its highest - this gives us the rampant materialism we see today. The other way - high belief in god, low belief in science - gave us the dark ages.

The golden age is when both meet in the middle - belief in god to explain the things that can’t be explained, like consciousness, and belief in science to explain the things that can.

 

[Snake_Baker]

The Pythagorean school were heavily into number mysticism, as they saw mathematics as a key to unlocking the knowable universe....Mathematics is not known as the Queen of the sciences for nothing.....The relevancy has to do with unlocking a conceptual frame-work that works both in real world applications & in our rational conceptual psyche also.

That includes the binary code, the use of grids & systemic applications in almost every human endeavour.....Which is No small thing.

Your attempts to implant a dichotomy betwixt the religious mystical component & the natural world of things is typical of modern man, who has lost the thread of connection between the 2....Cartesian dualism by another name....In other words, you are a victim of modern European philosophy, & you don't even realise it.

The crazy duck is back

 

[Snake_Baker]

I’m saying that belief in god was the progenitor of mathematic and scientific study

Just stop it.

 

[Janus]

Just stop it.

You want me to change history?

 

[Snake_Baker]

You want me to change history?

You're utilising latent connections between the religious aspects of long gone cultures and aspects of scientific origins, in order to lend intellectual imprimatur to your spiritual gobbledygook. Total Power utilises a similiar tactic with the mega flexible possibilities that theoretical physics can afford.

Sure, people 3000 years ago learned to make some calculations and synthesize a few things, but to suggest that this was only possible due to some spiritual connection is blatantly disingenuous.

People work things out because they're curious. That's all there is to it.

Do you want a more contemporary example?

Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Mendel, Pasteur and Darwin were all Christians, yet no sane person would suggest that "god" was responsible for their work or that some kind of exclusive mystical training was involved. They were simply curious educated people.

The Muslims also made massive contributions to the sciences between the 800's and 1200's. Was that because of god?

The most important aspect of all this is resources, so if you want to look for the connections for your ancient religious orders, you should probably start there.

 

[Janus]

You're utilising latent connections between the religious aspects of long gone cultures and aspects of scientific origins, in order to lend intellectual imprimatur to your spiritual gobbledygook. Total Power utilises a similiar tactic with the mega flexible possibilities that theoretical physics can afford.

Sure, people 3000 years ago learned to make some calculations and synthesize a few things, but to suggest that this was only possible due to some spiritual connection is blatantly disingenuous.

People work things out because they're curious. That's all there is to it.

Do you want a more contemporary example?

Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Mendel, Pasteur and Darwin were all Christians, yet no sane person would suggest that "god" was responsible for their work or that some kind of exclusive mystical training was involved. They were simply curious educated people.

The Muslims also made massive contributions to the sciences between the 800's and 1200's. Was that because of god?

The most important aspect of all this is resources, so if you want to look for the connections for your ancient religious orders, you should probably start there.

I’m not saying god was responsible for anything. I’m saying that belief in a deity is not a counter to rational thought and actually inspires rather than hinders advancement. A belief in god gives the prerequisite that nothing happens by chance so their must be a scientific formula that explains phenomena...and if it can’t, then it must be noumena.

 

[Snake_Baker]

I’m saying that belief in a deity is not a counter to rational thought..

I can agree with that to an extent.

........and actually inspires rather than hinders advancement.

I can't see any strong correlation for that.

A belief in god gives the prerequisite that nothing happens by chance so their must be a scientific formula that explains phenomena...and if it can’t, then it must be noumena.

Why would scientific formula necessitate a belief in god?

If you're utilising the word "noumena" in the Kantian sense, then that is in fact the nature of reality. All this requires is for you to remove your ego from the equation. You, I, and the entire human race are not special in the big scheme of things.

Our level of self awareness and place in the animal kingdom gave rise to a distortion that grew to be spirituality/religion. Acknowledgement of the observation of patterns came first and gave rise to spirituality/religions, then deeper ongoing analysis of the patterns predominately via evolving technology (science feeding itself) shunted spiritualism/religions further in to the background as man gained greater understanding.It was the ability to question ourselves (via the shelving of the ego) and conduct science, that has continually highlighted the flaws of the human ego, and allowed the field to grow exponentially through time.

My strong hunch is that if these "mystical scientists" were transplanted in time to the present, they would discard the religious gobbledygook that surrounded their cultures in ancient times fairly quickly.

 

[Janus]

I can agree with that to an extent.



I can't see any strong correlation for that.



Why would scientific formula necessitate a belief in god?

If you're utilising the word "noumena" in the Kantian sense, then that is in fact the nature of reality. All this requires is for you to remove your ego from the equation. You, I, and the entire human race are not special in the big scheme of things.

Our level of self awareness and place in the animal kingdom gave rise to a distortion that grew to be spirituality/religion. Acknowledgement of the observation of patterns came first and gave rise to spirituality/religions, then deeper ongoing analysis of the patterns predominately via evolving technology (science feeding itself) shunted spiritualism/religions further in to the background as man gained greater understanding.It was the ability to question ourselves (via the shelving of the ego) and conduct science, that has continually highlighted the flaws of the human ego, and allowed the field to grow exponentially through time.

My strong hunch is that if these "mystical scientists" were transplanted in time to the present, they would discard the religious gobbledygook that surrounded their cultures in ancient times fairly quickly.

Are you kidding? Scientism is the very definition of an ego trip. That’s why they are in such a rush to put their names to their discoveries. I’d respect a scientist more if they used a pseudonym for their published work like some of the great authors did, so it wasn’t their ego that was stroked and the focus went onto the work itself.

Our society today is by far the most egocentric in history for this reason alone. By claiming that we are not special in the universe, the scientist raises himself as the priest of the secular world. Look at how people like Hitchens, Dawkins and Hawking are worshipped by people like you.

Scientific formula doesn’t necessitate a belief in god. But a belief in god instils the spiritual virtue of humility and elevates the understanding of the formula to a higher level - above the ego of people who would like to believe their opinion as gospel.