No Oppo Supporters Non Bulldog Footy Talk - Bulldogs only - Part 4

[Testekill]

‘It’s a great way to kick a goal’: Polarising Pie on playing for free kicks

Young gun also reveals he practices the technique at training.

7news.com.au

Watch the video (half way through after the Baz stuff)

Tell me you wanna see that in the game? Lmao get *ed. You’ve got this little swine telling you he’s kicked 10 goals from the high tackle this year laughing about it and practising it at training.

And you guys don’t think we need to disincentivise this? It’s a blight on the game.

If this means he gets his head ripped off a couple of times without a free because of his reputation so be it, he’s brought it on himself. Maybe a nice little concussion (which let’s be honest are rare from a high tackle, extremely rare) will serve him right and he’ll start playing the footy on its merits.

Great rule change, let’s hope it stays now the media are kicking up a stink (even though they’re the ones that kicked up a stink to get it changed)

Yeah I think the fact that he brags about it and talks about practicing it at training is just a bit too far, there's a difference between it being part of the game and someone actively laughing about doing it.
He's going to get his head ripped off every time, it's rare for McLean or Weightman to get a high free these days unless it's too much to ignore.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Yeah I think the fact that he brags about it and talks about practicing it at training is just a bit too far, there's a difference between it being part of the game and someone actively laughing about doing it.
He's going to get his head ripped off every time, it's rare for McLean or Weightman to get a high free these days unless it's too much to ignore.

And they have never gloated about it afaik

 

[Testekill]

And they have never gloated about it afaik

Weightman saying that it's a technique didn't help his cause.

 

[Sharkey66]

Weightman saying that it's a technique didn't help his cause.

Spangler in an interview the other day said that Weightman had been spoken to about it.

 

[footscray1973]

Spangler in an interview the other day said that Weightman had been spoken to about it.

Did you mean Spackler?

 

[ManOfClay]

I rated Cunners higher as a player and champion of the game than Scott West

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(who always was a bit overrated and comes across as bit of a flog)

I don't think you watched much of Cunnington over the years if you don't acknowledge as a champion of the game, which he is.

He would have been given his rightful due in the media if he played for Carlton, Collingwood, Essendon, Richmond etc

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so underrated. But it’s because he’s not at a big club like Scott west

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was for his 5 more best and fairests, 5 more all Australians (Cunnington has none), hall of fame status and 100+ more Brownlow votes.

Fun fact: cunnington’s career stats almost mirror Tom Liberatore’s (Liberatore even averages more clearances) but nobody would call him a champion of the game.

Edit: oops posted in wrong thread

 

[Charlie Bucket]

Did you mean Spackler?

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I think he meant Spengler and Venkman

 

[BrisDog]

I don't think Fritsch is the stereotypical private schoolboy that many assume he is based on his appearance. He actually left high school to do a plumbing apprenticeship and play local footy. From there he got a spot on a VFL list (Casey?) and eventually got into the AFL. It's a very blue-collar background story.

But he looks like a private school campaigner….

Scrag, we live in the the post-truth era. The above doesn’t suit my narrative.

 

[Fossie 32]

Agree, but the AFL have now spent decades adopting knee jerk reactions and/or tweaking existing rules, rather than allowing the game to evolve naturally. I can recall as far back as the diamond then the square (and the 10year rule that lasted all of 6 months or so before it was dropped!). At least they let Robert Walls and his kick out huddle evolve, but since then it seems any tactic where a coach has been smart enough to develop an edge - remember Damian Drum coaching the Allies and interchanging beside the goals, some bloke using third man up, etc?

The one change they have allowed to evolve as it quickens the game is far more freedom with the handball technique. Thanks to our 2016 handball club, players are now allowed to handball back over their head - for decades was considered a throw even if they used a closed fist. But that one suits the AFL's narrative to "speed up the game" to make it more entertaining. Older posters would recall a past Bulldogs coach used a handballing (?) technique to speed up the game, back in 1961, which helped our physically smaller team outrun larger lumbering opposition all the way to a grand final. Then the other (disadvantaged/larger/unable to adapt to the technique) clubs complained so the VFL outlawed it.

There were also many tweaks to ruck rules over the years, then briefly a push in a marking contest using hands was allowed (again going against decades of being an infringement), was eventually howled down and slightly adjusted back again.

Some evolution makes sense (even if the application doesn't), especially where it protects players from deliberate or reckless injury inflicted by opponents (e.g. MRP, sliding, protecting the head), but the AFL appears hell-bent on modifying its product on a whim, and with a frequency that adds complexity and increases the quantity of rules an umpire must consider in each split second contest.

Myopic is a good word to describe the concussion mitigation, but it doesn't cover the endless tinkering with rules across the board.

So I don't think it's just mitigating concussion Scrag, the AFL seem hell-bent on an evolving product, and any attempt to create advantageous outcomes by a coach by pushing rule boundaries flies against the HO directives of "entertainment for the masses" and "all teams should be competitive as far as possible all the time , and if they aren't we will make it so".

The 10 year rule was amazing at the time [1972] - Norf after being perennial cellar dwellers bagged A listers Doug Wade [champ full forward], John Rantall and Barry Davis and zoomed up the ladder to win their first flag in 1975. They got a bunch of fine recruits after that year as well, good job by them! They were great to watch then [sorry Leon ] The 77 GF which they won was one of my faves.

NMFC Archives: 10-year rule

Four decades before free agency, there was the 10-year rule.

www.nmfc.com.au

 

[GetDimmaBack]

The 10 year rule was amazing at the time [1972] - Norf after being perennial cellar dwellers bagged A listers Doug Wade [champ full forward], John Rantall and Barry Davis and zoomed up the ladder to win their first flag in 1975. They got a bunch of fine recruits after that year as well, good job by them! They were great to watch then [sorry Leon ] The 77 GF which they won was one of my faves.

NMFC Archives: 10-year rule

Four decades before free agency, there was the 10-year rule.

www.nmfc.com.au

...and that rule lasted a whole twelve months!

Amazing, as you say!

 

[footscray1973]

...and that rule lasted a whole twelve months!

Amazing, as you say!

VFL cancelled it in May 1973. Didn't even get to 12 months!

 

[W W Biscuit]

The 10 year rule was amazing at the time [1972] - Norf after being perennial cellar dwellers bagged A listers Doug Wade [champ full forward], John Rantall and Barry Davis and zoomed up the ladder to win their first flag in 1975. They got a bunch of fine recruits after that year as well, good job by them! They were great to watch then [sorry Leon ] The 77 GF which they won was one of my faves.

NMFC Archives: 10-year rule

Four decades before free agency, there was the 10-year rule.

www.nmfc.com.au

I think Footscray was both a victim and a beneficiary of the ten year rule. We lost George Bisset to Collingwood, but picked up Adrian Gallagher from Carlton.

I wonder who else exploited this rule to change clubs.

 

[Leon]

The 10 year rule was amazing at the time [1972] - Norf after being perennial cellar dwellers bagged A listers Doug Wade [champ full forward], John Rantall and Barry Davis and zoomed up the ladder to win their first flag in 1975. They got a bunch of fine recruits after that year as well, good job by them! They were great to watch then [sorry Leon ] The 77 GF which they won was one of my faves.

NMFC Archives: 10-year rule

Four decades before free agency, there was the 10-year rule.

www.nmfc.com.au

All good.

It always makes me laugh how Norf supporters have such massive chips on their shoulders, and always pontificate about how working class they are and how hard they have it compared to everyone else.

Their (equal) most successful era was built entirely on money.

Wasn’t just the ten year rule - they had a huge influx of cash in those days that allowed them to nab Barassi as coach and buy a boatload full of top players and stars.

Also tried to feast on Fitzroy’s dying carcass in the 90’s for a “merger” that if went ahead would have made them into a superpower.

Yeah, good old Norf, the working man’s
club, true battlers and all for a fair go.

Nauseating.

 

[Sentinel]

All good.

It always makes me laugh how Norf supporters have such massive chips on their shoulders, and always pontificate about how working class they are and how hard they have it compared to everyone else.

Their (equal) most successful era was built entirely on money.

Wasn’t just the ten year rule - they had a huge influx of cash in those days that allowed them to nab Barassi as coach and buy a boatload full of top players and stars.

Also tried to feast on Fitzroy’s dying carcass in the 90’s for a “merger” that if went ahead would have made them into a superpower.

Yeah, good old Norf, the working man’s
club, true battlers and all for a fair go.

Nauseating.

Wait until you hear about how they landed Carey and Longmire for their other most successful era.

 

[doggiesin08]

Most are arguing the initial high contact shouldn’t have been paid because there was a slight drop in Ginnivans height.

This how the league and many supporters want this rule to be umpired.

Where does this stop?

The responsibility is now with the ball carrier. It’s ******* ridiculous.

If there’s an obvious movement by the arms or an obvious drop to force the head high contact, fair enough. But to let the free go because there may or may not have been an effort made to encourage the high contact is peak stupidity.

Just another s**t, on the fly decision by the league without a lot of thought out in.

If a bloke bends and his knees and lowers to tackle can Dusty fend him in the face now because the tackler caused the high contact?

 

[Leon]

Wait until you hear about how they landed Carey and Longmire for their other most successful era.

More than aware of it.

 

[footscray1973]

I think Footscray was both a victim and a beneficiary of the ten year rule. We lost George Bisset to Collingwood, but picked up Adrian Gallagher from Carlton.

I wonder who else exploited this rule to change clubs.

Yep, wee Georgie played finals at Collingwood, and Gags played in the 74 elim for us. Both more than serviceable at their new clubs.

North got 3 of the 6 players who swapped clubs under the rule.

Of the 6, after 3 seasons with us Gallagher played one final game at North in 1976, Rantall returned to South for 4 more seasons after winning a flag at North, then Fitzroy carried him over the line for 6 games to break the games record at the time (ironically held by Fitzroy's Kevin Murray), Davis ended up coaching Essendon after he retired (succeeded by Sheedy), and Big Carl eventually swapped back to St Kilda, then back to Melbourne again for 2 years as captain coach (one of the last to fulfill that role, with Jezza and Blight).

Edit: interestingly, as soon as they won their flag at North, Wade and Davis retired, and Rantall switched back to South, so Barassi recruited them to help win a flag, and as soon as they did, the 1975 grand final was their last game for North and/or their career. Bissett finished in 1974 at the Pies, so Big Carl and Mopsy Rantall hung on until the 1980 season.

This is part of the Wikipedia page for the 1973 season:

 

[Sharkey66]

Did you mean Spackler?

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Bloody auto correct

 

[MYOB]

To everyone (Essendon supporters) saying it should have been a 50m penalty to Jones, the umpire hadn't even finished signalling the free kick and the ball had been kicked.

 

[ossie_21]

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signing on with Melbourne for another 6 years - Petracca, Oliver & Brayshaw now contracted for the whole time.

I’d love to see their account books on these deals.

 

[Substance]

Angus Brayshaw signing on with Melbourne for another 6 years - Petracca, Oliver & Brayshaw now contracted for the whole time.

I’d love to see their account books on these deals.

They're signing them to long term deals giving them security, and probably knocking off 100-150k pa, smart by melbourne. Oliver & petracca are extremely durable so there isn't much risk.

 

[Dogs Rule]

They're signing them to long term deals giving them security, and probably knocking off 100-150k pa, smart by melbourne. Oliver & petracca are extremely durable so there isn't much risk.

Not sure I would be signing anyone to a seven or eight year deal and Brayshaw is not worth a six year deal.

 

[Testekill]

Demons have come out breathing fire.

 

[Mantis Toboggan]

Freo having a shocker so far.

 

[Chicago1]