Oppo Camp Non-Eagles Discussion

[Chief]

Continued in Part 2:

Oppo Camp - Non-Eagles Discussion

Who gives a **** about finals anyway So overrated It’s all about the draft these days

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[Lynch takes a mark]

To me it's clear as day that he has gone for the smother/spoil and completely unanticipated that Brayshaw would come further to his right, deviating from the kick a solid 30-50cm.

Maynard is at full extension, at the highest possible point trying to get a hand on the ball and there is no possible way you can say that when he left the ground, he had an intent to do harm.

If he gets rubbed out, fine but I don't think it should be classed as anything other than careless + high if he does get suspended.

 

[ZergMinion]

Michael Christian deciding the fate of a Collingwood player during finals? Easiest decision he's ever made.

‘It was a dramatic day’: AFL heavyweight threatened to quit over internal conflict as ‘bluff called’

Wild quit threat over internal AFL conflict revealed as ‘bluff called’ in ‘dramatic’ scenes

www.foxsports.com.au

Oh no please Michael! Please! Don't * off and never be heard from again you complete waste of space!

Called it.

 

[EagleEgo]

The MRO should be an independent individual. He or she does not have to be associated with football. (preferably not).

AFL should get a person to formulate a more detail lookup chart for determining the MR results. It should be very rule-based and very little human input required. (other than data entry) At the moment, there are too much individual biased judgement involved.

Honestly, it is not too difficult to come up with a workable lookup chart of this nature. Anybody well trained in the AI area can do this job properly

 

[Eastern Rangers]

He could have stayed upright or put his arms in the chest/should region of brayshaw.

But he clearly drops his shoulder after the ball passes. I don't see how that's possible to refute. Most of us have played footy before... It's the action of someone who wants to get a cheeky dig in at ab oppo player. Unfortunately he misjudged it completely and knocked brayshaw out.

Stop what you're doing leap with your arms in the air and try to do what you're suggesting.

Brayshaw was going to get concussion as soon as Maynard left the ground. If not from Maynards right arm then from his torso, or from heavier contact with the ground had Maynard extended his arms.

The reason it's gone to the Tribunal is because it can't be classified as careless.

 

[Coasters7]

Also, let's also be honest... This is only a debate due to happening in finals and the potential to cost a guy a flag.

Which goes to show where most in the footy industry stands on "protecting the head".

I honestly can’t believe that’s being brought into calculations either from some in the media.

He could miss a GF.. so? Plenty of players have missed flags due to injury or suspension over the years and this is an act that has possibly ended someone’s career. Sympathy for Maynard should be well down the list of importance. If this happened round 1 he would’ve missed 4 weeks, absolutely no doubt

 

[Coasters7]

Stop what you're doing leap with your arms in the air and try to do what you're suggesting.

Brayshaw was going to get concussion as soon as Maynard left the ground. If not from Maynards right arm then from his torso, or from heavier contact with the ground had Maynard extended his arms.


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You can potentially claim incidental contact with all those others though. Leapt in the air to smother and just ran into him instead of turning your shoulder into his face.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

You can potentially claim incidental contact with all those others though. Leapt in the air to smother and just ran into him instead of turning your shoulder into his face.

Had he extended the arms it wouldn't be misclassified as a bump. It would be misclassified as a push.

 

[Into The Black]

Wasn't the rule changed a few years ago ? Any head high contact accidental or not was an automatic suspension ? Why is there any discussion ? No wonder a lot of us have real disdain for the AFL. The bump has gone and the tackle is under threat.

 

[Truckosaurus]

‘It was a dramatic day’: AFL heavyweight threatened to quit over internal conflict as ‘bluff called’

Wild quit threat over internal AFL conflict revealed as ‘bluff called’ in ‘dramatic’ scenes

www.foxsports.com.au

Oh no please Michael! Please! Don't * off and never be heard from again you complete waste of space!

 

[The Passenger]

Stop what you're doing leap with your arms in the air and try to do what you're suggesting.

Huh? Players move their arms from facing the sky to out in front all the time.

Heres a question - If a teammate is running at him, does Maynard finish his smother in the same manner?

Not a chance. Not a single chance in the world. No way does he go from zero bend in hips to arm tucked in and shoulder down.

He had a chance to have a little dig an oppo players. It's not a bad thing. Players do it all the time. He mistimed his dig pretty badly and he's most likely gonna miss a grand final for it. That's the way it can roll when you play on the edge.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Huh? Players move their arms from facing the sky to out in front all the time.

Heres a question - If a teammate is running at him, does Maynard finish his smother in the same manner?

Not a chance. Not a single chance in the world. No way does he go from zero bend in hips to arm tucked in and shoulder down.

When you leap with your arms up they naturally come down. Also when you twist to your left then your shoulder drops, when you tense up for contact your shoulders also drop.

If Maynard wanted to hurt Brayshaw he would have moved his arms all the way to his left and hit him side on.

If Maynard gets charged today, I think he'll get off on an appeal.

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[Seadog]

Maynard was blocked, it would be so unfair if it cost him a premiership..........again.

 

[EagleEgo]

Maynard was blocked, it would be so unfair if it cost him a premiership..........again.

There is a high chance Collingwood will play Port in the Prelim. Final. Maynard might not be there to meet Riolli though.

 

[Bestbird]

Not sure how Maynard can get off.

If he did, what is stopping other players jumping in the air in a forward motion to smother, turning the shoulder and instigating high contact with the player kicking the ball.

 

[Chris_6678]

Knocking out a Brayshaw & missing the GF is a good omen to win the GF ?

 

[EagleEgo]

Maynard, Get rid of the MRO and Ron Barassi - Eddie and Jimmy

Eddie McGuire and Jimmy Bartel debate the Maynard ruling and how it could change the MRO system and Eddie wants the AFL to step in and Honor Ron Barassi.

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[Tugga27]

To me it's clear as day that he has gone for the smother/spoil and completely unanticipated that Brayshaw would come further to his right, deviating from the kick a solid 30-50cm.

Maynard is at full extension, at the highest possible point trying to get a hand on the ball and there is no possible way you can say that when he left the ground, he had an intent to do harm.

If he gets rubbed out, fine but I don't think it should be classed as anything other than careless + high if he does get suspended.

When someone gets knocked out, it's always going to be severe impact.

 

[Tugga27]

Stop what you're doing leap with your arms in the air and try to do what you're suggesting.

Brayshaw was going to get concussion as soon as Maynard left the ground. If not from Maynards right arm then from his torso, or from heavier contact with the ground had Maynard extended his arms.

The reason it's gone to the Tribunal is because it can't be classified as careless.

If Maynard put outstretched his arms, Brayshaw doesn't get a shit mixer.

It's already been classified as careless.

The reason it's gone to the tribunal is because impact was graded as severe.

 

[Monocle]

Is anyone else questioning the fact that even, with his history of serious concussions that Brayshaw is still playing football.

When I read that McCartin had been picked up by Sydney I cringed as I could not believe that there was not a genuine concern that he would be concussed again….. as sure as God made little green apples …….that’s exactly what happened.

Also on the Maynard issue.

What would have happened if a he flew for the mark in a pack and then falls on to Brayshaw and knocks him out ?????

Back to my first question….should Brayshaw even be allowed to still play AFL given his medical history?

As a side are the other players that play against him, more vulnerable to knocking him out and missing games because the medical fraternity won’t make the hard call.

Duty of care has more than one element for consideration.

 

[KERRPOW]

If Maynard put outstretched his arms, Brayshaw doesn't get a s**t mixer.

It's already been classified as careless.

The reason it's gone to the tribunal is because impact was graded as severe.

Theres no chance of downgrading that.

The only argument that can be put forward is if Maynard had any reasonable alternative.

i'd say given the circumstances and timing, No.

 

[ZergMinion]

Is anyone else questioning the fact that even, with his history of serious concussions that Brayshaw is still playing football.

When I read that McCartin had been picked up by Sydney I cringed as I could not believe that there was not a genuine concern that he would be concussed again….. as sure as God made little green apples …….that’s exactly what happened.

Also on the Maynard issue.

What would have happened if a he flew for the mark in a pack and then falls on to Brayshaw and knocks him out ?????

Back to my first question….should Brayshaw even be allowed to still play AFL given his medical history?

As a side are the other players that play against him, more vulnerable to knocking him out and missing games because the medical fraternity won’t make the hard call.

Duty of care has more than one element for consideration.

These are fair points, but that collision would have probably knocked out anyone. 93kg at speed to the face is pretty hardcore.

 

[MaxHunt]

Imagine if this was Toby Greene

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Toby Greene

Age

31

Ht

182cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.7

5star

K

12.5

5star

HB

10.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.2

4star

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.8

4star

T

1.0

2star

G

2.3

5star

D

26.6

5star

K

12.4

5star

HB

14.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

3.6

5star

G

0.0

1star

. He'd already be locked up.

 

[Keys]

Is anyone else questioning the fact that even, with his history of his serious concussions that Brayshaw is still playing football.

When I read that McCartin had been picked up by Sydney I cringed as I could not believe that there was not a genuine concern that he would be concussed again….. as sure as God made little green apples …….that’s exactly what happened.

Also on the Maynard issue.

What would have happened if a he flew for the mark in a pack and then falls on to Brayshaw and knocks him out ?????

Back to my first question….should Brayshaw even be allowed to still play AFL given his medical history?

As a side are the other players that play against him, more vulnerable to knocking him out and missing games because the medical fraternity won’t make the hard call.

Duty of care has more than one element for consideration.

This is the part of the concussion debate that gets overlooked nor does it get taken into account properly by the legal action

Essentially, players want to play. Always have, always will

Players have a duty of care to themselves and there needs to be work done around if/when a player should be stopped from playing

It’s why the AFL should be doing brain scans on draftees when they enter the league to use as a baseline whenever they get a concussion

 

[AndysAngels]

Haven't read back so not sure if it's been raised, but I saw the comment made somewhere and thought it as pertinent as any - if Maynard was at training and was attempting to smother Nick Daicos in the same manner, do you reckon he braces for impact in the same way? No chance. IMO Maynard could have easily opened up his body to end up 'cuddling' Brayshaw and prioritise his (Brayshaws) safety. He chose not to.

 

[EagleEgo]

If a car was driven carelessly hit you and broke your legs. Would it be fair to say: " if your legs cannot stand a car hit, you shouldn‘t be crossing the road".

Brickshaw would not have been knocked unconscious if it was not hit by Maynard! Maynard is definitely guilty. The severity of Maynard‘s punishment depends on his intent and whether he has exercise his duty of care on his fellow competitor.