Oppo Camp Non-Eagles Discussion

[Forward Press]

What do you guys think of the Crows as a club?
I know Crows supporters see their club as being like a SA version of the Eagles.
Do you guys reciprocate that feeling by seeing the Eagles as a WA version of the Crows?

We are forever linked by us being the first game post-Walsh. Adelaide staff, players and fans universally appreciated our gestures.

We gave them eternal trolling material from 2017 and 2018 in beating Port after the siren on their own deck on consecutive occasions.

We both regard the other team in town as a pesky little upstart that (fortunately) have not encountered much success, consistent problems with their coaching staff and players, and have less premiership cups.

#weflyasone

 

[MrWoollie]

What do you guys think of the Crows as a club?
I know Crows supporters see their club as being like a SA version of the Eagles.
Do you guys reciprocate that feeling by seeing the Eagles as a WA version of the Crows?

Given that we came first, I agree with the Crows supporters. They are a SA version of us rather than we are a WA version of them.

However, having said that, attitudinally, we are similar. We are both from the 'stick it to the Vics' and 'it's us representing our state' camps. And we both have similar attitudes to our port based, two-headed cousins.

I think that of all the other teams it's Adelaide we can most relate to. And it didn't hurt that earlyish in their existence they were very watchable. McLeod still one of the all time greats.

 

[Monsterdarlz]

Imagine having port Adelaide as your neighbour ewww. I feel sorry for the crows having those ferals in there back yard

 

[Farang83150]

Given that we came first, I agree with the Crows supporters. They are a SA version of us rather than we are a WA version of them.

However, having said that, attitudinally, we are similar. We are both from the 'stick it to the Vics' and 'it's us representing our state' camps. And we both have similar attitudes to our port based, two-headed cousins.

I think that of all the other teams it's Adelaide we can most relate to. And it didn't hurt that earlyish in their existence they were very watchable. McLeod still one of the all time greats.

And the Freo/McLeod thing is THE BEST!

 

[Spod]

Crows have always been the most "Eagles-like" club in my mind for all the reasons described. The first and biggest clubs in the non-Vic footy states, and tied together by the Walsh game and a few other moments. The crows did right by us for JK and Shuey's final games in the last couple of years too. A lot of mutual respect there.

 

[RookiePick]

Crows also took our mantle in sticking it to the Vic's in the late 90's. Gotta love that when every other non-Vic side was a basketcase.

Breaking Crow hearts in 05-06 on our way to the GF probably makes it easier for us to have warm fuzzy feelings too.

 

[random260]

Look Collingwood is more like us in terms of wealth and power. Crows are not that rich. Their on a tier with Essendon. Fallen VFL top clubs.

They have got work to do to break through the rich barrier.

 

[kane249]

Crows also took our mantle in sticking it to the Vic's in the late 90's. Gotta love that when every other non-Vic side was a basketcase.

Breaking Crow hearts in 05-06 on our way to the GF probably makes it easier for us to have warm fuzzy feelings too.

A lot of them are still convinced, and believe in the conspiracy theory that Cousins and co did drugs at half time of the 06 prelim which is why we over ran them in the second half

Reigning Brownlow medalist outperforms his 20 year old opponent Van Berlo? Must be drugs

 

[dewcefault]

A lot of them are still convinced, and believe in the conspiracy theory that Cousins and co did drugs at half time of the 06 prelim which is why we over ran them in the second half

Reigning Brownlow medalist outperforms his 20 year old opponent Van Berlo? Must be drugs

I have a few crows supporting people in my sphere and I have never heard that narrative.

 

[MeltMan]

A lot of them are still convinced, and believe in the conspiracy theory that Cousins and co did drugs at half time of the 06 prelim which is why we over ran them in the second half

Reigning Brownlow medalist outperforms his 20 year old opponent Van Berlo? Must be drugs

My mum mentioned when i was at the rents for dinner, around this years brownlow, that Benny and Kerr in 2005 was the only time one team had a 1st and wnd in a brownlow. That seemed like it should have happened before in 150 years, but if its AFL only made more sense. Any stats gurus better at google than i am?

 

[ziad]

My mum mentioned when i was at the rents for dinner, around this years brownlow, that Benny and Kerr in 2005 was the only time one team had a 1st and wnd in a brownlow. That seemed like it should have happened before in 150 years, but if its AFL only made more sense. Any stats gurus better at google than i am?

I think Kerr was heavily underrated - he would have won in another team.

 

[VicBased]

Adelaide may be a facsimile of us but let us not forget that they STOLE Curtin from us and for this they must pay.

 

[Rowan18]

What do you guys think of the Crows as a club?
I know Crows supporters see their club as being like a SA version of the Eagles.
Do you guys reciprocate that feeling by seeing the Eagles as a WA version of the Crows?

I would like to have seen more success for the Crows as they have only won the two flags in 97 and 98. It's ironic that it was our club that arguably stopped them in 05 06 by beating them in prelims (one on their home ground). The Eagles could easily have gone the same way if luck was a little different (our last two flags were won by 1 point and 5 points).

 

[garlic munchers]

What do you guys think of the Crows as a club?
I know Crows supporters see their club as being like a SA version of the Eagles.
Do you guys reciprocate that feeling by seeing the Eagles as a WA version of the Crows?

Eagles Lite

 

[garlic munchers]

Look Collingwood is more like us in terms of wealth and power. Crows are not that rich. Their on a tier with Essendon. Fallen VFL top clubs.

They have got work to do to break through the rich barrier.

Got their work cut out for them to break into the rich AFL club group coming from SA.

Bit like coming from here:



Someone taking the piss when they said, lets ask the Dockers if they would like to have their training ground at Success in the City of Cockburn?

 

[Truckosaurus]

Got their work cut out for them to break into the rich AFL club group coming from SA.

Bit like coming from here:

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Someone taking the piss when they said, lets ask the Dockers if they would like to have their training ground at Success in the City of Cockburn?

Only way they'd see success was to move there.

 

[Schmedit]

Mcstay does his acl, blow for the pies b2b chances

 

[Chris_6678]

Yeah i cant see them going back to back.

 

[Forward Press]

Mcstay does his acl, blow for the pies b2b chances

I guess his knee couldn't Mc-Stay together.

 

[FKASC]

He hardly played though didn’t he?

 

[Barrybran]

He hardly played though didn’t he?

He was useful throughout the home and away season. Just means Mason Cox plays more next season.

 

[KERRPOW]

Got their work cut out for them to break into the rich AFL club group coming from SA.

Bit like coming from here:

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Someone taking the piss when they said, lets ask the Dockers if they would like to have their training ground at Success in the City of Cockburn?

this whole area is filled with really odd people too.

 

[06Premiers]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/it-is-time-for-jobe-watson-to-be-reinstated-as-the-2012-brownlow-medal-winner-writes-mike-sheahan/news-story/66d6aa526947f25ca4183cc0bad361de

The 100-year history of the Brownlow Medal is littered with quirks, mysteries and mistakes, yet it survives as the most glamorous individual award in football.

While the coaches and the players are regarded within the industry as more credible judges than the umpires, who determine the Brownlow, it’s “Charlie” that carries the most cachet ... by the length of the MCG.

Ask any of your football mates who won the 2022 Brownlow and they will instantly respond with Patrick Cripps.

Then ask them who won the Players Association Most Valuable Player award and the coaches’ award that year and they will guess: Cripps? ... Or was it Bontempelli? … Or Petracca? Or Oliver? Maybe it was Neale?

The 2022 AFLPA award was won by Andrew Brayshaw, the Coaches’ Association Player of the Year was shared by Touk Miller and Clayton Oliver. See what I mean?

That’s what a history of 100 years and a glitzy, televised medal count will do.

That’s also why it’s so important to redress the injustice perpetrated on Jobe Watson after he won the 2012 Brownlow.

The then Essendon captain polled 30 votes to win the count by four. Few of us were surprised.

Four years on, the AFL, desperate to be seen to be responding responsibly to the Essendon supplements scandal of the time, stripped Watson of his medal. Runners-up in 2012, Sam Mitchell and Trent Cotchin, were elevated to joint winners.

Watson and 33 others Essendon players from 2012 were found guilty of using the banned peptide Thymosin beta 4 and suspended for 12 months.

All these years later, the AFL still hasn’t offered any evidence that the Essendon players took performance-enhancing drugs.

It’s time to correct a miscarriage of justice, it’s time to reinstate Watson as a Brownlow Medallist.

Watson was a scapegoat, the young man who bore the brunt of the blame for his club’s horrendous leadership of the day.

Essendon’s chairman at the time of his suspension, Lindsay Tanner, said: “The club takes responsibility for placing Jobe in this position and unreservedly apologises to him and his family.

“Jobe is a person of the highest integrity and character and has the total support and admiration of our membership, staff, executive and board.”

Former AFL chief executive officer Andrew Demetriou, who read the votes the night Watson won, told me this week: “It’s one of the great tragedies of Australian sport that Jobe Watson lost his Brownlow Medal.

“It would have been interesting to see what might have happened if certain people had fought a bit harder to support him.”

My guess is Demetriou’s “certain people” were the AFL administration of the day (He moved on after the 2014 season).

AFLPA chief executive Paul Marsh said this week: “We said strongly at the time that Jobe shouldn’t have lost his Brownlow, and maintain that. The same applies to all of the Essendon players impacted through this saga.

“This was an issue of the club’s making and the players were the victims. Sadly there is so much damage that can’t be undone.”

In January 2016, three judges of the Court of Arbitration for Sport, an organisation based in Europe, had determined the 34 Essendon players violated the AFL’s anti-doping policy.

Yet, in March the previous year, the AFL anti-doping Tribunal had handed down a “not guilty” judgment on all the available evidence. The World Anti-Doping Authority appealed the AFL decision to CAS and won.

How, then, did the Court of Arbitration find to the contrary? Who knows, but WADA wanted blood.

Administering mysterious pharmaceuticals en masse to players off site doesn’t sound kosher, but that doesn’t mean it makes them perform beyond their natural capabilities.

There is a school of thought that something had to be fishy when Watson suddenly went from a hardworking plodder to an elite midfielder. The theory was he must have done something radical to make the transition.

Yet Watson won Essendon’s best and fairest award in 2009-10, well before anyone other than Stephen Dank knew anything of AOD 9604 and Thymosin beta 4.

He finished top two in the club best and fairest award five times from 2006-13, winning in three years. He was captain for six years. That’s not the cv of a plodder ... or a bloke who would be party to cheating.

Not one of my acquaintance thinks anything other than Watson was a scapegoat.

Andrew Dillon’s ascension to the CEO’s office at the AFL offers the opportunity to right the wrong. The centenary of the Brownlow also makes the timing perfect. As does the clear softening in the AFL’s penalties regime on the use of prohibited substances.

There’s an obvious problem, of course, if Watson regains his medal and Brownlow Medal status.

What would it mean for Mitchell and Cotchin, currently listed as Brownlow winners for 2012?

My answer to that is we settle on three winners for that year, with an asterisk explaining why Mitchell and Cotchin tied with a player who scored four more votes.

The only thing worse than getting something wrong is the failure to correct an obvious mistake.

Official publications explain why Corey McKernan (1996) and Chris Grant (1997) didn’t win the medal when they topped the Brownlow votes table (McKernan tied). It’s because they didn’t meet the “fairest” element of the criteria ... with McKernan rubbed out for the innocuous offence of tripping.

And, if Watson were seen to be exonerated, would it expose the league to financial claims by the players rubbed out for a year?

One other thing. If Watson - and his long-time teammate Dustin Fletcher, who was at Essendon in 2012 - remain tainted by the supplements saga, surely that would jeopardise their claims for a place in the AFL Hall of Fame, as their playing records justify.

That would be a travesty for both players, Essendon champions and greats of the game.

Come on, Dills, extend the olive branch to Jobe; football fans will love you.

 

[Farang83150]

Fk'm

 

[EdCurnowRules]

I guess his knee couldn't Mc-Stay together.

Ooof… good joke though