Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Football Thread XVI

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Yoda_ said:
Im not buying the Joe Daniher is a gun rebound from last weeks poor effort.

The real reasoning will be in the coming weeks. Dominate one week, complete MIA the next garners you the flaky tag.
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He is what he is. Freakish top end ability mixed in with an injury (groin) that will never see him reach the full potential and always managed , an attitude to his footy that fluctuates to various levels. Joe plays Joe ball. Some weeks he will kick 4 or 5 and look great. Other weeks he will kick 0.4 . Then you will have the games where he simply doesn't work all that hard at all. His shoulder is not great at the moment either.
 
Pies died by the sword last night. There where moments in the Tigers game when the game was on the line that they got a couple of lucky bounces / deflections that lead to quick goals. Last night it was not the case. The ball did not fall to them under pressure and their defense got opened up because they could not reset in time. It was the risk you take when you play a take the risk game.
Pies and Saints is going to be an interesting watch for me. Pies with their take a risk run all day v Saints hard defense but also run hard all game that forces turnovers.
 

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ant555 said:
Pies died by the sword last night. There where moments in the Tigers game when the game was on the line that they got a couple of lucky bounces / deflections that lead to quick goals. Last night it was not the case. The ball did not fall to them under pressure and their defense got opened up because they could not reset in time. It was the risk you take when you play a take the risk game.
Pies and Saints is going to be an interesting watch for me. Pies with their take a risk run all day v Saints hard defense but also run hard all game that forces turnovers.
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Rewatching the replay today, so many goals for brisbane were out the back. Pies defensive structure really got exposed.
 
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AFL commentators can't call what they can't see

AFL games being called from TV or radio studios in states thousands of kilometres away from the venue has been something of an elephant in the room in mainstream media, at least until last weekend, when that elephant burst spectacularly loose.
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AFL commentators can't call what they can't see​

Football commentary and the styles and standing of this or that individual TV or radio caller has long been a "hot button" topic media outlets have been more than happy to mine for views and clicks.

Recent years, though, have seen another, perhaps more important discussion about AFL commentary largely ignored by the same media, despite increasing frustration from the football public about it.

Games being called from TV or radio studios in states thousands of kilometres away from the venue has been something of an elephant in the room in mainstream media, at least until last weekend, when that elephant burst spectacularly loose.

That was when Fox Footy had its commentary team for the South Australian "Showdown" between Adelaide and Port Adelaide (with the exception of boundary reporter Mark Ricciuto) based in a South Melbourne studio.

Similar arrangements have been in place for games outside Victoria ever since Covid, but it took the fact that Fox special comments man David King would be voting on the Showdown Medal from South Melbourne off a bank of TV monitors rather than at Adelaide Oval to take that public disquiet from fan forums and social media to mainstream outlets.

Why was that? Well, it's been hard not to detect a bit of conspiracy of silence going on, a feeling of "there but for the grace of God go we" about it all.

Perhaps different outlets are owned by the same parent companies. Perhaps their journalists, callers and special comments men work for the same outlets being questioned. Perhaps their mates are those in the firing line.

Well, ditto, guys. I know and have enormous respect for King as an analyst, likewise most of those who have had to perform their job from that studio and away from the crowds, atmosphere and traditional visual perspective.

They're doing their best, and it's not their fault. But despite the insistences this week from those with a vested interest, their work IS being compromised, and as a consequence, so are you, the viewers and listeners. Most importantly, that is no longer happening because of valid health concerns. It's just a cost-cutting exercise. And that needs to be called out for what it is.

King makes some terrific observations about how teams play and works hard to back them up with detailed statistical evidence. But his defence of the "studio call" this week on radio didn't stack up.

Yes, the callers have more screens to observe than the home viewer. But their only screen showing a full ground is by necessity a long shot at greater distance than someone in a venue commentary box. Then there's the eye adjustment from one screen to another, to another. It's a far clunkier and unnatural process than what happens organically for a viewer at the ground.

Australian football is played on a field larger than any other code. Play-by-play callers, let alone special comments men, need to be able to see well behind and ahead of where the ball is consistently and closely to make informed calls on why this player or that has found space, again got free from his opponent, etc, etc. Without that access, the commentary is more compromised than it would be for arguably any other sport.

Fox special comments man David King voted on the Showdown Medal from South Melbourne off a bank of TV monitors rather than at Adelaide Oval, sparking outrage. Mark Brake/Getty Images
So we're getting more mistakes. More goals called points, and vice-versa. More situations where the "expert" special comments are anything but that because the former player simply doesn't have enough evidence to do anything other than make an educated guess as to why something happened, so instead just tells us at home what we've already established with our own eyes.

And how about, as happened recently in a preseason game, when there's a technical issue and picture is lost? Obviously, that is a disaster of epic proportions.

It's unsatisfactory, those who are involved know it, and will concede that privately. Of course, however, they're not going to publicly criticise their employers. Will the AFL? Not while it's still counting its money.

There's a disingenuity about it, too. We're never actually told where the commentary teams are, or aren't. Indeed, in some preseason games, Fox Footy will extend the ruse to have their callers shot with headsets on at a table to further extend the ruse that they are up close to all the action.

Imagine the sort of scorn these same broadcasters would be heaping on AFL clubs if they attempted to pull those sorts of tricks, or were pursuing their business whilst taking similarly extreme short-cuts? You'd never hear the end of the criticism about lack of professionalism.

So sorry, guys, but I reckon it's fair for people to conclude that if you're prepared to tip literally billions of dollars into the AFL's lap to cover its product, you probably should be prepared to actually turn up to the venues at which the games are being played.

There's some high-level irony in the fact that as Channel 7 and Fox have paid increasingly astronomical amounts for the AFL rights, they've had to also increasingly scrimp and scrape to find any potential savings here and there.

Seven do it in part by focussing entirely on their live broadcasts, with no football content like panel shows beyond that. At least, however, Seven are now making sure their calling teams are actually at the games.

Fox, meanwhile, are doing it by keeping the bulk of their team Melbourne-based, a relative luxury now considered the set-up in Perth, where play-by-play caller Adam Papalia is actually at games, along with boundary comments men Matthew Pavlich and, last weekend, Will Schofield.

The fact that's now being held up like some shining example of broadcaster commitment in itself gives you some idea how low expectations have fallen.

These short-cuts were acceptable when health restrictions demanded it. They're not now. And there's something particularly distasteful about how those perpetuating them have tried to pull the wool over the football public's eyes in doing so.

Not for the first time, it's fair to say footy fans deserve a lot better.
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rumply said:
www.espn.com.au

AFL commentators can't call what they can't see

AFL games being called from TV or radio studios in states thousands of kilometres away from the venue has been something of an elephant in the room in mainstream media, at least until last weekend, when that elephant burst spectacularly loose.
www.espn.com.au www.espn.com.au
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WTF?! i don’t even vote on this boards player of the year award if I only watch it on TV!
 
Albertross said:
Yeah, I'm happy for him to become an aloof AFL player as well. I'm just glad that it's no longer for us.

If he is enjoying the game more now than when he was with EFC, good on him. Still, he is nothing but a bit player, instead of being a star player of the game, which he should/should have been.

The Daniher order goes as follows......Terry........Neale...........................Anthony.........................Chris.............................................................................................Joe
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Mate, Edna way before joe, way before.
 
fishardansin said:
Collingwood got lucky last year with a few close wins, but they were an average side with a couple of good players who rolled the dice and got on a run against a bunch of ordinary sides through the middle of the year thanks to a soft draft.

Most teams got the tactics wrong against them. They tried to slow the game down against Collingwood. That played into their hands because they could attack with more aggression. The way to play them is to stick at attacking them through the corridor. Sure they'll make you look silly a few times when you turn it over, but you'll catch them out enough to make them question their game and they start getting caught in no man's land.

This year Collingwood has been an excellent team with Cox and Cameron showing good form early and the addition of De Goey and Mitchell making their midfield better. Now that they have no rucks, the disadvantage in the midfield, they are at the same standard as last year.

Look how this game is playing out. Collingwood is on top when Brisbane turn it over a few times in the first quarter. Brisbane keeps at it and completely opens Collingwood up. Now Brisbane takes its foot off the gas and Collingwood regathers. Now they make a run on and Brisbane will be playing they have concrete in their boots.
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Collingwood HATES this one simple trick.
 
Looked like Collingwood struggled getting their game style working without their main ruck Cameron.
Sure they may adapt, but they could very well have a rocky next couple months.

Nice seeing Joe play well too. Showed more to offer being a roving ruck than a dedicated full fwd.
 
Albertross said:
Yeah, I'm happy for him to become an aloof AFL player as well. I'm just glad that it's no longer for us.

If he is enjoying the game more now than when he was with EFC, good on him. Still, he is nothing but a bit player, instead of being a star player of the game, which he should/should have been.

The Daniher order goes as follows......Terry........Neale...........................Anthony.........................Chris.............................................................................................Joe
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I’m perfectly fine if he decides to pull his finger out too. Physical talent is unquestionable. Not sure why we don’t talk mental in terms of talent because I think some people find it simpler to push harder. It’s often what makes them great despite their physical capabilities. The true greats have mental and physical talent. Terry and Neale had both.

It comes across like you’re still angry or annoyed with Joe, maybe I’m wrong. I understand that if so, but I just don’t feel that way myself.

All the Danihers are great people.
 

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Chief Hopper said:
Looked like Collingwood struggled getting their game style working without their main ruck Cameron.
Sure they may adapt, but they could very well have a rocky next couple months.

Nice seeing Joe play well too. Showed more to offer being a roving ruck than a dedicated full fwd.
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Were always gonna have issues if cameron went down.
Grundy was fine to jettison. Should have recruited a ruck
 
Carlton and norf supporters get to listen to Jobe all afternoon

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Ziebull and Heppell doing laps around the MCG on grand final day this year I think.
 
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