Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Football Thread XVI

[Vander18]

Except this time the consensus seems to be that Harley Reid is head and shoulders beyond the rest and could be a once-in-a-generation KPP, if you believe the conjecture going around.

If there is a player in the draft better than Harley Reid…..I’d like to see him!

 

[yodellinhank]

If there is a player in the draft better than Harley Reid…..I’d like to see him!

Prefer Dodo keeps them hidden TBH.

 

[Vander18]

Prefer Dodo keeps them hidden TBH.

James Davies style…

 

[citizen-erased]

SSP > national draft

 

[Call Me Cake]

If high priority safety was genuinely the paramount desire here then wearing helmets as part of the uniform would be mandatory.*

But I guess high priority safety doesn't trump "but it looks weird"

Very convenient.

 

[eth-dog]

If high priority safety was genuinely the paramount desire here then wearing helmets as part of the uniform would be mandatory.*

But I guess high priority safety doesn't trump "but it looks weird"

Very convenient.

There is no medical evidence to suggest that helmets decrease the likelihood of concussion

 

[Call Me Cake]

There is no medical evidence to suggest that helmets decrease the likelihood of concussion

There is medical evidence to suggest that concussions are not caused by a blow to the head, but whiplash. A neural whiplash can happen in any scenario that abets it regardless of any impact to the head.

As for serious brain injury/fractures, that's why we wear them while riding bikes. But who cares about serious brain injury/fractures, right?

The main point here wasn't even about helmets anyway. The main point here is the cherrypicking. Blow the damn whistle.

 

[boncer34]

There is medical evidence to suggest that concussions are not caused by a blow to the head, but whiplash. A neural whiplash can happen in any scenario that abets it regardless of any impact to the head.

As for serious brain injury/fractures, that's why we wear them while riding bikes. But who cares about serious brain injury/fractures, right?

The main point here wasn't even about helmets anyway. The main point here is the cherrypicking. Blow the damn whistle.

Significant differences between bike helmets and ones used for footy mate.

 

[andleanback]

There is medical evidence to suggest that concussions are not caused by a blow to the head, but whiplash. A neural whiplash can happen in any scenario that abets it regardless of any impact to the head.

As for serious brain injury/fractures, that's why we wear them while riding bikes. But who cares about serious brain injury/fractures, right?

The main point here wasn't even about helmets anyway. The main point here is the cherrypicking. Blow the damn whistle.

If that was the case nfl players wouldn’t get concussion. Yet it’s most prevalent in that sport.

 

[Call Me Cake]

If that was the case nfl players wouldn’t get concussion. Yet it’s most prevalent in that sport.

Probably because there's more of them due to a higher population = more instances, they go harder, and the actions they take while in play are inherently more whiplash-inducing.

But helmets aren't the answer to concussions because they're caused by neural whiplash (my case for helmets in terms of safety was for risks of brain injury), and such incidents can be caused irrespective of how hard a blow is. Simply seeing a head hit the ground is not grounds (no pun intended) to assume it's an inherent risk of concussion. Brain injury/fractures, more likely.

Significant differences between bike helmets and ones used for footy mate.

It was an example but helmets are designed to prevent brain injuries/fractures as a result of a blow to the head, but we pick and choose when it comes to safety it seems. Like I said, convenient. Or maybe we can apply Occam's Razor and do the simple thing, blow the whistle and hasten to lessening the scuffles.

 

[andleanback]

Probably because there's more of them due to a higher population = more instances, they go harder, and the actions they take while in play are inherently more whiplash-inducing.



It was an example but helmets are designed to prevent brain injuries/fractures as a result of a blow to the head.

What are you talking about

You can get cte by constant head knocks, without actual concussion all together. Most players who play on the offensive and defensive line will likely have cte after finishing playing, some without even having huge concussions, and most of the hits are at low velocity.

 

[quotemokc]

And yet UFC is bigger than ever and that sport exists to inflict damage to people.

 

[Call Me Cake]

What are you talking about

You can get cte by constant head knocks, without actual concussion all together. Most players who play on the offensive and defensive line will likely have cte after finishing playing, some without even having huge concussions, and most of the hits are at low velocity.

So it's better to care about injuries that happen in the long term (concussions from internal whiplash) than injuries that are at risk immediately (brain injury/fractures from surface level knocks). Gotcha.

Cherrypicking for the sake of convenience. Full safety was never the true agenda.

 

[andleanback]

Except this time the consensus seems to be that Harley Reid is head and shoulders beyond the rest and could be a once-in-a-generation KPP, if you believe the conjecture going around.

Also it’s often that smaller ball magnet players who are slight of frame, dominate the u18 and often look the stand out player -walsh, Murphy, scully, rowell, Mcgrath, ashcroft etc and often have a lower ceiling while power athletes and key talls can be more speculative, and those ball winning type players are just such a lock pick who’ll get you 200 game. You rarely get a Harley Reid type player as the clear stand out talent as an u18 who is seen as a generation talent with his skillset from such a long way out.

 

[andleanback]

So it's better to care about injuries that happen in the long term than injuries that are at risk immediately. Gotcha.

Cherrypicking.

Again, what

Helmets don’t stop concussions either. Go and do some reading.

 

[Call Me Cake]

Again, what

Helmets don’t stop concussions either. Go and do some reading.

You seem to not be doing the reading as I already said the helmet point wasn't about concussions - even though concussions aren't caused by the actual blow (like brain injuries and fractures) but by the neural whiplash that happens within (which isn't completely adjudicated by the hardness of a knock).

Helmets DO prevent/lessen chances of traumatic brain injuries (TBI) and fractures (injuries that are more noticeable in the immediate to short-term) as they are a result of external blows to the head and the hardness of it.

Hence, if safety was truly the scope of it all as a trump card to what we're used to then it would be taken to the extent to cover them all - long term or short term injuries. But it isn't. Because the "optics" matter more in this case. Picking and choosing.

 

[Lore]

You seem to not be doing the reading as I already said the helmet point wasn't about concussions - even though concussions aren't caused by the actual blow (like brain injuries and fractures) but by the neural whiplash that happens within (which isn't completely adjudicated by the hardness of a knock).

Helmets DO prevent/lessen chances of traumatic brain injuries (TBI) and fractures (injuries that are more noticeable in the immediate to short-term) as they are a result of external blows to the head and the hardness of it.

Hence, if safety was truly the scope of it all as a trump card to what we're used to then it would be taken to the extent to cover them all - long term or short term injuries. But it isn't. Because the "optics" matter more in this case. Picking and choosing.

So what you’re trying to say is that smashing your head on the ground requires a helmet for safety, to protect against head injuries other than concussion. Which is a fair point at face value.

When’s the last time someone had a non-concussion long term head injury from playing footy? I know Jonathan Brown had his face reconstructed, and Gaff smashed the jaw of one of the Brayshaws, loosened a few teeth…

 

[faible]

So what you’re trying to say is that smashing your head on the ground requires a helmet for safety, to protect against head injuries other than concussion. Which is a fair point at face value.

When’s the last time someone had a non-concussion long term head injury from playing footy? I know Jonathan Brown had his face reconstructed, and Gaff smashed the jaw of one of the Brayshaws, loosened a few teeth…

It's an unusual tactics, having a meltdown and arguing hysterically about something that so rarely happens in the AFL that it's pretty much irrelevant, as some kind of bizarre reasoning for the AFL's current direction being both incorrect and not correct enough all at once.

 

[Hamez]

How does this not get picked up from the week before?


So frustrating at how inconsistent they are.

 

[faible]

How does this not get picked up from the week before?


So frustrating at how inconsistent they are.

Oliver is 2nd on the Brownlow betting odds, explains a lot.

 

[Beerfish]

Oliver is 2nd on the Brownlow betting odds, explains a lot.

If he now wins a Brownlow it'll be the biggest joke since... last year!

Guess they'll have to make sure Daicos wins now.

 

[Lore]

Oliver is 2nd on the Brownlow betting odds, explains a lot.

So what you’re saying is that we should all bet on Parish so his odds shorten and he won’t get suspended?

 

[faible]

So what you’re saying is that we should all bet on Parish so his odds shorten and he won’t get suspended?

Precisely.

 

[joey_jo_jo]

How does this not get picked up from the week before?


So frustrating at how inconsistent they are.

It wasnt the AFL media's hot button topic last week.
As soon Gerard "mouthpiece of the AFL" Wheatley was hysterically demanding merrett be suspended I knew he had no chance.
Thats why I dont think this decision will have a long lasting impact on the way players tackle though, as in a months time the media and AFL hq will move on to another topic and you will see many tackles like this receive no scrutiny.

 

[windyhill]

So what you’re saying is that we should all bet on Parish so his odds shorten and he won’t get suspended?

I backed Zach last week !
Ticket now....