Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Football Thread XVI

[Call Me Cake]

You hate to see it...

 

[Don Won]

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You hate to see it..

No Setterfield , no Carlton

 

[Kettles]

A great disappointment that Aaron Francis never really lived up to his potential with us. He really could have been anything. I wish him all the best for his senior debut with the Swanks.

 

[ant555]

If Korn can not work out that engaging with supporters on social media is not making the JHF situation worse then he is an ever bigger knob than we already know he is .

 

[ant555]

Hope Frang goes well

 

[MiguelM]

Month would be what's best but I doubt that'll happen under Gill

Agree, I am thinking years down the track to mitigate lawsuits, ie. to be seen to be doing as much as possible to minimise long term effects

 

[Mercurial89]

I'm interested to see where the line gets drawn.
As concussion is better understood and the risks of playing the game are understood where does the duty of care of the AFL end with providing a safe work environment and the players choosing to pursue the career start.

 

[sameolds33]

Mostly decided on my tips for this round. Finger hovering over "send" because conflicted over who to pick in three games: Saints, Cats and ours... problem is I know who I want to win in each game and who I really really want to lose.

EDIT: picked the good guys

 

[The Devils Advocate]

If Korn can not work out that engaging with supporters on social media is not making the JHF situation worse then he is an ever bigger knob than we already know he is .

Kane Cornes is VERY calculated in my opinion. Very, very clever.
Knows that the classic heel creates outrage, gives you a little something that makes you think he's going face, then tears it all down.
He's going to make a lot of money from the "opinions" he has.

 

[Mercurial89]

Kane Cornes is VERY calculated in my opinion. Very, very clever.
Knows that the classic heel creates outrage, gives you a little something that makes you think he's going face, then tears it all down.
He's going to make a lot of money from the "opinions" he has.

Has taken a lot from the American media.
Bases himself a lot off how Cowherd built his reputation.

He's going to be very successful. He's also probably the first mover in this space in AFL media so will do well.

 

[The Devils Advocate]

Has taken a lot from the American media.
Bases himself a lot off how Cowherd built his reputation.

He's going to be very successful. He's also probably the first mover in this space in AFL media so will do well.

Fantastic comparison.
I am always amazed by how many people gift that man relevance by being outraged by his very calculated opinions.
Recently, Cowherd said that the Kings shouldn't "light the beam" because it uses too much energy.
He's been holding onto that one for a while, you wait until the hype is at it's peak for maximum outrage.
It's the Vince McMahon model, all followed to a tee. Every entertainment industry needs a Kane Cornes.

 

[Drummer_19]

Has taken a lot from the American media.
Bases himself a lot off how Cowherd built his reputation.

He's going to be very successful. He's also probably the first mover in this space in AFL media so will do well.

Reckon he's more of a bargain bin Skip Bayless.

 

[bombadeer]

If Korn can not work out that engaging with supporters on social media is not making the JHF situation worse then he is an ever bigger knob than we already know he is .

He knows it, likes it, doesn’t care what impact it has on JHF.

I think that makes him a far bigger knob than what we thought he was.

 

[Call Me Cake]

He's going to make a lot of money from the "opinions" he has.

Some people are so poor all they have is money.

 

[Schnitzengruben]

He's going to make a lot of money from the "opinions" he has.

He knows exactly what he's doing to create clicks, and the hilarious part is people still fall for it.

I've long thought that the biggest beneficiary of Kane's takes is his Super account.

 

[The Devils Advocate]

He knows it, likes it, doesn’t care what impact it has on JHF.

Just a heel helping out a fellow heel.
Think mid 2000s Rick Flair and Randy Orton.

 

[joey_jo_jo]

its not just Cornes its the whole Croc Media/Fox Footy cohort. The whole "war of words" between King and Cornes this week is so staged and transparent.
I think RoCo and Rocket Eade gave a good summary of how it has and will play out on this week's footyology, podcast.

 

[Mercurial89]

its not just Cornes its the whole Croc Media/Fox Footy cohort. The whole "war of words" between King and Cornes this week is so staged and transparent.
I think RoCo and Rocket Eade gave a good summary of how it has and will play out on this week's footyology, podcast.

We feed it though.
How many times is an article linked here, or Barrett's abhorrent Friday article linked on Reddit or a footy forum and shared around with everyone laughing at it.

It's the entire point, people think they are oh so clever bagging these journos whilst sharing their views and audio clips.
It's exactly what the model is designed to do.

It's media to it's very core, designed to get you to click.
Another example outside of sport is the interest rate articles.
They started as articles written about families who couldn't afford their mortgages,
Then they slowly moved the circumstances to people earning huge wages but unable to pay their mortgages due to ridiculous expenses,
Then they moved them again to stories about ridiculously high wages that couldn't afford a mortgage due to some perfectly reasonable circumstances that were unfortunate.

At every step they sucked in a different type of person and kept them clicking so they could read about the next person and compare their life to the people in the article.

All the same structure and all designed to provoke engagement.
It's not news, it's not even reporting.

It's why half of our weekly news cycle in AFL is journos reporting and reacting on each other's stories most weeks with other weeks taken up by the big click bait topic.
We literally get maybe one day maybe of coverage on how the actual competition is going.
We have weekly trade shows and whispers before round 1 has started.

It's why people lose interest in the sport. Because the discourse isn't about the sport anymore.

 

[Blind Turn]

We feed it though.
How many times is an article linked here, or Barrett's abhorrent Friday article linked on Reddit or a footy forum and shared around with everyone laughing at it.

It's the entire point, people think they are oh so clever bagging these journos whilst sharing their views and audio clips.
It's exactly what the model is designed to do.

It's media to it's very core, designed to get you to click.
Another example outside of sport is the interest rate articles.
They started as articles written about families who couldn't afford their mortgages,
Then they slowly moved the circumstances to people earning huge wages but unable to pay their mortgages due to ridiculous expenses,
Then they moved them again to stories about ridiculously high wages that couldn't afford a mortgage due to some perfectly reasonable circumstances that were unfortunate.

At every step they sucked in a different type of person and kept them clicking so they could read about the next person and compare their life to the people in the article.

All the same structure and all designed to provoke engagement.
It's not news, it's not even reporting.

It's why half of our weekly news cycle in AFL is journos reporting and reacting on each other's stories most weeks with other weeks taken up by the big click bait topic.
We literally get maybe one day maybe of coverage on how the actual competition is going.
We have weekly trade shows and whispers before round 1 has started.

It's why people lose interest in the sport. Because the discourse isn't about the sport anymore.

If the saga hasn’t taught Essendon fans about the staged, click-bait, agenda-driven, narrative controlling, demonising, mouth-piece posturing, politically manipulated, falsehood spreading, scumbag fiction writing that masquerades as journalism in this country then there is no hope for them. If they have clicked on a single Barrett or Wilson column since those days then they have a serious addiction to football content and should seek help.

 

[jannissary]

If the saga hasn’t taught Essendon fans about the staged, click-bait, agenda-driven, narrative controlling, demonising, mouth-piece posturing, politically manipulated, falsehood spreading, scumbag fiction writing that masquerades as journalism in this country then there is no hope for them. If they have clicked on a single Barrett or Wilson column since those days then they have a serious addiction to football content and should seek help.

i copped sprays in high school daily during it from friends who also followed football so it's just down to people ignoring it imo.

also barrett's been a hack for ever

 

[Lore]

If they have clicked on a single Barrett or Wilson column since those days then they have a serious addiction to football content and should seek help.

Heinous as it might be, those two do occasionally have real sources and real news.

Caro was all over our debacle at the end of last year, clearly had sources likely from Essendon staff that used to work at Richmond, and I think maybe Mahoney or someone close to him. Robbo had his sources too, but his sources were on the other side of the club's political divide (and he is prone to loud mouthed angst which is unfun to listen to).

Getting quality from Barrett is rarer, especially as an Essendon supporter since I think he's still blacklisted at the club, but sometimes the AFL tips him off about something more broadly that is the only place to read about it. I think the only reason he's been at the AFL for so long is because no other organisation likes him enough to poach him...

It's your Tom Brownes and Sam McClures that are "journalists" by trade but spend most of their time on television and radio that tend to have soundbites instead of real news.

And then you have your ex-players who do no homework and just talk rubbish, which is where Cornes, Lloyd, and several others come into the picture with their irrelevant shock jock opinions. If they're actually analysing game footage and tactics it can be worthwhile to have their insight especially if they're recently retired or personally familiar with that coach or player, but it's rare to get that from them these days.


Marc McGowan, Daniel Cherny are good ones usually. Jay Clark is hit and miss. Wouldn't go near anything written on the Fox Footy website unless they're live blogging a tribunal hearing that you otherwise can't access.


It's really just about being judicious, going back to the source wherever possible, and don't click on headlines with emotive language in them.

Like you really don't need to read an article about the team selection, when you can just look it up on the club or AFL websites. You don't need to read an article about how a senior player has awful form according to a past player, you can watch the game and then make up your own mind. You don't need to click on an article about the coach backing in senior players, you can listen to the press conference. And all that nonsense about players out of contract, like do you really think club or player are talking to a journo about it in the middle of the season?

 

[Ati Tude]

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Early days. Wouldn't go too early on this as they have some good players. I did enjoy their final two game implosion of last year to miss the finals by tiny amount of %.

 

[raskolnikov]

What a boring Friday night match. Anyway, hope Freo flog em.

 

[Blind Turn]

Heinous as it might be, those two do occasionally have real sources and real news.

Caro was all over our debacle at the end of last year, clearly had sources likely from Essendon staff that used to work at Richmond, and I think maybe Mahoney or someone close to him. Robbo had his sources too, but his sources were on the other side of the club's political divide (and he is prone to loud mouthed angst which is unfun to listen to).

Getting quality from Barrett is rarer, especially as an Essendon supporter since I think he's still blacklisted at the club, but sometimes the AFL tips him off about something more broadly that is the only place to read about it. I think the only reason he's been at the AFL for so long is because no other organisation likes him enough to poach him...

It's your Tom Brownes and Sam McClures that are "journalists" by trade but spend most of their time on television and radio that tend to have soundbites instead of real news.

And then you have your ex-players who do no homework and just talk rubbish, which is where Cornes, Lloyd, and several others come into the picture with their irrelevant shock jock opinions. If they're actually analysing game footage and tactics it can be worthwhile to have their insight especially if they're recently retired or personally familiar with that coach or player, but it's rare to get that from them these days.


Marc McGowan, Daniel Cherny are good ones usually. Jay Clark is hit and miss. Wouldn't go near anything written on the Fox Footy website unless they're live blogging a tribunal hearing that you otherwise can't access.


It's really just about being judicious, going back to the source wherever possible, and don't click on headlines with emotive language in them.

Like you really don't need to read an article about the team selection, when you can just look it up on the club or AFL websites. You don't need to read an article about how a senior player has awful form according to a past player, you can watch the game and then make up your own mind. You don't need to click on an article about the coach backing in senior players, you can listen to the press conference. And all that nonsense about players out of contract, like do you really think club or player are talking to a journo about it in the middle of the season?

I couldn’t care less if Caro has real sources to be honest. That period during the saga, combined with her general focus on reporting (or even generating) crisis within the industry makes her unreadable.

I don’t side with Hird in the sordid history that was the saga but I feel for him being massively massively scapegoated, demonised, and pilloried for four years for the sake of a headline. Do you think she ever ‘felt’ for him while she drove that narrative?

 

[Beerfish]

Walters playing the Alwyn Davey role