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On budget eve, masterful performance by Dan
boncer34
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Carlton fans already calling to get Dimma.
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Ask again this time next week.
It's pretty obvious to me Hardwick will never coach again, but watch Carlton sack Voss first thing tomorrow before they realise this.
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Only 10 rounds in, surely he thought about quitting in the off season.
Some chance he’s coaching us if he did. Though he is mates with Rutten.
Some chance he’s coaching us if he did. Though he is mates with Rutten.
Eagles getting the acid on them. Awesome. Just great. Wouldn't shock me one bit if they panicked now that Richmond are in the marketplace and sacked Simpson. ****s sakes
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nah, I think it only counts if the coach actually wants to keep coaching - clearly he's seen the next few years and is taking his premierships and running for the commentary box
Sorry to see Hardwick go as a coach.
I still kinda remember him just as a tough Essendon player from the 90s, who was right in it when our team became so dominant back then.
Seeing him as a head coach seem to continue on in a way those times, something that was tarnished with the whole drugs saga.
Hopefully he has a place in football, somewhere in the future.
I still kinda remember him just as a tough Essendon player from the 90s, who was right in it when our team became so dominant back then.
Seeing him as a head coach seem to continue on in a way those times, something that was tarnished with the whole drugs saga.
Hopefully he has a place in football, somewhere in the future.
jannissary
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meant scarf but i think leaving it as this is funnier
I loved Dimma as a player. Was the only time I emailed the club to complain when he was forced out (salary dump) to go to Port. Couldn't believe we chose Knights over him as coach also. What a sliding door moment that was given what happened to both clubs in the ensuing 10 years.
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What a bizarre legacy he leaves.
At the end of 2016 he’s nudging the podium for the worst tenured coach of the AFL era, keeps his job somehow, then he puts his game plan completely in the bin and catches lightening in a bottle and is a bees dick away from winning 4 flags on the trot, then immediately back to bog average.
It’s like a fairytale, makes absolutely no sense.
At the end of 2016 he’s nudging the podium for the worst tenured coach of the AFL era, keeps his job somehow, then he puts his game plan completely in the bin and catches lightening in a bottle and is a bees dick away from winning 4 flags on the trot, then immediately back to bog average.
It’s like a fairytale, makes absolutely no sense.
Who better to put the final nail in the Richmond dynasty than us.
On a side note, plenty of Richmond fans were digging into us after we sacked Ben "Worsfold 2.0" Rutten who had NFI, I wonder now that he's with them if they'd queue up to sing his praises as the next Tigers coach................................................................................. yeah nah prolly not
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He ain’t going to wait 5 years
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It’ll be interesting to see if his game plan/ environment can be recreated at another club, if and when he coaches again. Clarko re-invented his style 3-4 times at hawthorn, hardwick has only really ever had the 1 style and needed a certain type of players to carry out his game plan- oh and dusty.
He'd be perfect at the suns.
Inherit the talent and instil the drive
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The players have the drive, at the moment they just don’t have quite enough players to really challenge the top couple of sides, they’re in most games against sides 6-18. At the same time would he be willing to change the style of game plan for the list they have. They’re heavy contested ball side with guns like Miller, Rowell anderson etc and Humphrey coming through. Hardwick has never really based his style on that strength.
boncer34
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Never say never coaching us?
That'll need more time then that, in a couple years Scotty will be halfway through his first 4-peat with us.
Don't see Carlton moving on Voss for a while yet. And don't see the point replacing Simpson right now given their injuries and list. Absolute poison chalice to be coach of WCE at moment. Mind you if they keep losing by 100 points (here's hoping for this week anyway), then they may have no choice.
Shows you what a tough gig it is. Longmuir and Hinkley were under big pressure a few weeks back but have turned it around but wont take much for the heat to get turned up again. And two of the toughest in Clarkson and Dimma have had enough (I do assume Clarkson will be back and obviously another issue at play there). There weren't really any knives out for Hardwick either and given his record he could have coasted until end of next year at least.
The media love a good coach sacking/change too, so will be annoyed they didn't see this coming (yes it doesnt seem to be a sacking). Might go harder at Voss and Simpson to make sure they are on top of those situations.
Clarko is still on a different level to Dimma. Four flags and a genuine three-peat is the reason. They can't be mentioned in the same breath. People held on because Clarko was done and Hardwick was still coaching, but it's pretty clear now.
And I think even he'd admit that he got a little lucky with some of the talent he had to work with. That's not to dismiss his blueprint though, in hindsight, he had his fingerprints all over the club since as early as 2013.
Which is why people banging on about his possible "sacking" in 2016 and then using that as a reason for why not to sack coaches shits me to no end. 5th in 2013, 8th in 2014, and 5th in 2015. Yeah they didn't eventuate in finals wins, but that's three Top 8 finishes in a row and stone's throw away from Top 4 on two occasions. By that point even before the flags he was Richmond's most successful coach since 1980. In hindsight, he wasn't going anywhere, and there was enough seen to see a reason to stick fat, unlike in other scenarios.
If you were to put both Clarko and Dimma as coaches of clubs that had a chance, I'd bet on Clarko (if no scandal as well, of course) every time before Dimma, but since even Superman couldn't fix whatever North is, you'd say Dimma would have a better chance than anyone else with at least some structure and cohesion behind him.
Will be interesting to see what Dimma does next. And even if he wants to coach again. Tough to do what Clarkson is doing and start from the bottom. Better off going to a club with a list you can work with eg a Carlton if they do get sick of Voss.
Winning 4 flags for a coach is a massive thing. True definition of brilliance. And the coaches know it. Have seen it talked about before. That is part of why Malthouse basically changed his mind about the succession with Bucks when Mick realised how good their list was. He got stuck on 3 flags. Sheeds got 4. Matthews got 4. And obviously Clarkson. For as good as Geelong have been, Bomber got two flags and Scott now with 2. Could Bomber have got 4 if he stayed at Cats? Who knows. Scott will have to do a rebuild to get there and he been there a long time already for 2 flags. Allan Jeans "only" got 4 despite how good Hawks were in the 80s (1 was with Saints). Was robbed of 1 due to health with Joyce took over a got 1 from memory.
Getting 4 flags is so extra special as it generally means you have to have either done a rebuild or changed clubs. Not sure how many Hawks played in all 4 flags with Clarko but very rare to do that. Matthews had to do it at 2 clubs and couldn't quite get a 4th at the Lions despite how good they were. Sheeds reinvented himself several times and had a couple of very strong teams.
Does Dimma have that drive to go for a 4th? He obviously won't know until can go away and take a break.
Winning 4 flags for a coach is a massive thing. True definition of brilliance. And the coaches know it. Have seen it talked about before. That is part of why Malthouse basically changed his mind about the succession with Bucks when Mick realised how good their list was. He got stuck on 3 flags. Sheeds got 4. Matthews got 4. And obviously Clarkson. For as good as Geelong have been, Bomber got two flags and Scott now with 2. Could Bomber have got 4 if he stayed at Cats? Who knows. Scott will have to do a rebuild to get there and he been there a long time already for 2 flags. Allan Jeans "only" got 4 despite how good Hawks were in the 80s (1 was with Saints). Was robbed of 1 due to health with Joyce took over a got 1 from memory.
Getting 4 flags is so extra special as it generally means you have to have either done a rebuild or changed clubs. Not sure how many Hawks played in all 4 flags with Clarko but very rare to do that. Matthews had to do it at 2 clubs and couldn't quite get a 4th at the Lions despite how good they were. Sheeds reinvented himself several times and had a couple of very strong teams.
Does Dimma have that drive to go for a 4th? He obviously won't know until can go away and take a break.
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