Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Football Thread XVI

[faible]

Yeh I’m not saying he’ll make them successful but he can at least come in and steady the ship and lead the program and players. Not saying he’ll have success. If they don’t also fire Craig Cameron something is seriously wrong. How he is still there after dew beggars belief.

They need to run a broom through the organisation as part of replacing Dew.

 

[andleanback]

They need to run a broom through the organisation as part of replacing Dew.

I’d keep their high performance manager he’s a gun and Steven king. Although the the interim coach usually Walks

 

[jannissary]

puts a bad taste in my mouth to replace dew but i suppose it must be done

 

[Schnitzengruben]

“I’ve said time and time again Stuey is our coach, contracted for this year and next year,” Evans said

“If he does a good job, he’ll be contracted well into the future. He’s got my support to go and get on with the job.”

However, when asked if he would still support Dew if the 12th-placed Suns kept losing matches, Evans said: “Come back and ask me if the results don’t come, but for right now, let’s do everything we can to make sure the results can be as good as they can.”

Not even a week ago...

 

[dank420_]

Tremendous portion of the replies are ‘this graphic makes it look like he died’

What they don't know is that it's the actual scale of the man.

 

[citizen-erased]

They’d wanna hope they get hardwick otherwise they’ll be s**t for another decade after the kids start walking

seems orchestrated

Tigers out of finals contention, Dimma walks
GCS do well, Dimma is taking RnR
GCS do badly, Dimma wants to come back
Week later, Dew is gone

game and a half out of the 8 and don't play a top 5 side again this season

would be funny if clarkson returned only to go to the suns

 

[dank420_]

I doubt any coach fails due to a lack of football knowledge.

Rhyce Shaw is one who did not have a game plan. North failed to realise this and get some good assistants to help in that regard.

 

[Sporno 4 Pyros]

there's a risk they go Dimma & it equals a reset if a domino or two fall
if Anderson, King or Rowell are aligned to Dew, it gets messy if they leave.

it's a curious case of how their best and worst is so stark.

When they get Dimma all the kids will be on board very quickly.

They will be excited to be coached by a 3 time premiership coach instead of a spud. They will get more out of their first meeting with Dimma than they did from all of Dews meetings combined.

 

[eth-dog]

They’d wanna hope they get hardwick otherwise they’ll be s**t for another decade after the kids start walking

I think they'll be after Simpson if Hardwick doesn't get up

 

[Sporno 4 Pyros]

Caro clearly has better sources than a few other journos around town.

 

[andleanback]

Caro clearly has better sources than a few other journos around town.

Caro is the one they go to when they’ve got an axe to grind. Same way she keeps bringing up dodoro and mahoney plus all the board drama last year. If someone at your club is talking to caro find them and get them out of there.

 

[BrunoV]

They’d wanna hope they get hardwick otherwise they’ll be s**t for another decade after the kids start walking

Agree that they need to head hunt an experienced coach with the credibility to hold the list and the club together.

The need arises because they let Dew go too long.

GC is so close. It just needs that authoritative, capable leader.

Hardwick will give them the figure head to keep everything together but he is not the be all and end all. I actually think Buckley is a better option. I am not particularly convinced that Hardwick knows the recipe to his secret sauce. While I have been very critical of Buckley, historically, he has grown into something like vision of him in McGuire's dreams. He has the auora of a champion but now seems to know how to relate to everyone (other than Harry) to get buy in.

 

[andleanback]

Agree that they need to head hunt an experienced coach with the credibility to hold the list and the club together.

The need arises because they let Dew go too long.

GC is so close. It just needs that authoritative, capable leader.

Hardwick will give them the figure head to keep everything together but he is not the be all and end all. I actually think Buckley is a better option. I am not particularly convinced that Hardwick knows the recipe to his secret sauce. While I have been very critical of Buckley, historically, he has grown into something like vision of him in McGuire's dreams. He has the auora of a champion but now seems to know how to relate to everyone (other than Harry) to get buy in.

Think Buckley is happy in Melbourne with his kids and a well paying media role. Doubt he ever gets back into coaching.

 

[joey_jo_jo]

Caro is the one they go to when they’ve got an axe to grind. Same way she keeps bringing up dodoro and mahoney plus all the board drama last year. If someone at your club is talking to caro find them and get them out of there.

She also has a direct line into AFL house. Its got their fingerprints all over it.

 

[Inspecta Gadget]

Caro clearly has better sources than a few other journos around town.

Caro's a mouthpiece for those in clubland too spineless to air their own grievances.

 

[BrunoV]

Caro clearly has better sources than a few other journos around town.

Question her when it comes to a hatcheting operation at your peril.

It seems to me that there was a divide among the GC board about Dew.

The brain-dead wanted stability for its sake. So the other side leaked knowing that it would be the beginning of the end as it always is.

The way it plays out is messy because it works in factions.

Someone with authority to be a source tells Caro that Dew is gone. She gets what she needs ethically to run the story. That is not the same as it being a truth or fact that the sacking will happen as reported. She can't possibly know that because there are 7 votes required and the vote hasn't been held and we can rest assured she's not speaking to even a majority of the 7.

However, she is good at what she does and can confidently back her source to state what she believes will happen. But, again, that's not a truth or a fact.

The journo on the other side then goes to a source, possibly the other faction who doesnt know, or to the same person who uses that other journo to convey the club's formal position.

A lot of the journalists dont seem to think forensically or critically. They fight source with source seemingly unaware that no one has the truth, and unaware that they are being used. The truth/fact of the sacking occurs at the board meeting.

 

[BrunoV]

Not even a week ago...

The actual words are nothing like a guarantee Dew will be the coach for the rest of the contract.

They simply state the contractual position.

 

[silk]

Poor St Kilda.

 

[BrunoV]

Think Buckley is happy in Melbourne with his kids and a well paying media role. Doubt he ever gets back into coaching.

I hope that's not the case.

There are too many average operators coaching AFL sides.

 

[crackers65]

Who would you call an average operator? Blind Freddie knew that Dew was no good. Voss is ordinary but of the rest of the coaches I think most are ok.

 

[ant555]

Also this is another big L for the much fabled AFL coaching course.

Dew and Rutten were supposedly star grads and have failed as senior coaches more because they didn’t have command over the footy dept and couldn’t build relationships rather than a lack of tactical nous and understanding.

The course can only do so much . It gives you the tools but it doesn’t make you a tradesman.
Not everyone that goes to teachers college becomes a good teacher.

 

[ant555]

Caro is the one they go to when they’ve got an axe to grind. Same way she keeps bringing up dodoro and mahoney plus all the board drama last year. If someone at your club is talking to caro find them and get them out of there.

And she has a direct line into the AFL .

 

[BrunoV]

Who would you call an average operator? Blind Freddie knew that Dew was no good. Voss is ordinary but of the rest of the coaches I think most are ok.

I don't agree with your comment about Dew.

Even now it seems to be the case that he's only been moved on because Hardwick is available. If you take that view, as many seem to me to be taking, it necessarily excuses Dew's performance. He should be gone because he is uniquely bad.

I doubt anyone has been allowed to coach for so long, with the quality of list he has had, for the results to be as poor as they have been.

By the way, of the remaining coaches, Fagan is average. Well past the use by date for the role he has played. Beveridge is a butcher of talent - no top 4 AFL finish despite having a top 3 list in the comp (though he is a great September coach). Simpson very arguably capitalised on a good list and has done jack shit other than 15 and 18. He now presides over the worst team in at least 20 years. Goodwin is brain dead and being found out now that the talent isn't carrying him.

I don't subscribe to hero worship for premiership coaches. Not when it is 1 season as an outlier. Great season? Yes. Great coach? Can I see it again please.

When I look at Simpson I can't help but notice that his good years follow poor and average years. So they bounce on the back of a good draw and the home ground advantage out West.

 

[Zach Package]

The course can only do so much . It gives you the tools but it doesn’t make you a tradesman.
Not everyone that goes to teachers college becomes a good teacher.

I would argue that the failings of the two I mentioned are exactly the things that the course should be able to teach you, footy dept stakeholder management, media management, how you interface with a first year player vs a 10 year vet, establishing integrity at the selection table.

It’s all well and good to say you never really know until they get in the chair but they quite clearly had a fair clue tactically, the problems were elsewhere.

 

[jannissary]

When I look at Simpson I can't help but notice that his good years follow poor and average years. So they bounce on the back of a good draw and the home ground advantage out West.

that's just the coke hangover from the premiership win