Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Football Thread XVI

[Albertross]

Local anaesthetic is widespread during games and training, they go down the race get a jab and some strapping and come back up looking like new.

I think Adam Cooney was the one that commented on getting his knee drained every week and a couple of jabs before every game or something? Or might have been Dev Smith. Not unique by any means.

I think the use of them is fine as long as it’s pain management for something that isn’t likely to get any worse, e.g. a broken finger that’s been pinned together by a surgeon and strapped to the next finger but isn’t fully healed.

Epidurals are a frightening concept though, for more reasons than I care to contemplate.

Yeah, I get that locals have been common place for sometime, but, Epidurals!!! I had no idea we went that far in the AFL and as you said, frightening.

More frightening to me is the potential CTE diagnosis, much the same as Greg Williams, Shane Tuck and Spud. Although the AFL has tightened the protocols in this area recently, a quick search showed (Age article) that 32 players retired due to concussion issues between 2004 and 2021.

 

[Pweter]

Not sure the truth of it but in the commentary of the 93 grand final Gerard Healy says Salmon had an epidural in his back during the week leading up to the game.

It's been happening for a while.

 

[Albertross]

Not sure the truth of it but in the commentary of the 93 grand final Gerard Healy says Salmon had an epidural in his back during the week leading up to the game.

It's been happening for a while.

I certainly had no idea, thought it was only something for Women giving birth. Good memory by the way.

 

[Pweter]

I certainly had no idea, thought it was only something for Women giving birth. Good memory by the way.

Not really a good memory when I've watched it a few billion times

 

[Albertross]

Not really a good memory when I've watched it a few billion times

Well, I was wondering at first whether you had it on loop, we are starved for succes, but I still thought surely not.

 

[Lore]

I certainly had no idea, thought it was only something for Women giving birth. Good memory by the way.

Well given it goes straight into the spine and makes you numb from that point down, you wouldn’t expect it to have a lot of first aid type applications really. It seems like massive overkill for any injury you might reasonably be expected to play through.

 

[Albertross]

Well given it goes straight into the spine and makes you numb from that point down, you wouldn’t expect it to have a lot of first aid type applications really. It seems like massive overkill for any injury you might reasonably be expected to play through.

Hence the law suit from him I suppose. 30 times in 68 games, basically every 2nd match. Given he played a total of 10 games in his first 2 seasons, certainly seems a bit excessive from there on, regardless of whether it was/is an accepted practice.

Maybe Dr Reid wasn't so negligent after all, considering he refused to continue the same treatment as to what Zantuck had previously received at Richmond.

 

[ghostdog]

The name belongs at Collingwood
Like jsos at carlton or wanganeen with us.

Never say never. The name Daniher once belonged with us. At least he got to 100 games I guess

 

[Albertross]

Never say never. The name Daniher once belonged with us. At least he got to 100 games I guess

Do we want his kid if he grows up with the same attitude.

 

[ghostdog]

Do we want his kid if he grows up with the same attitude.

Ouch!

 

[Pweter]

Well given it goes straight into the spine and makes you numb from that point down, you wouldn’t expect it to have a lot of first aid type applications really. It seems like massive overkill for any injury you might reasonably be expected to play through.

Now my memory is being tested, I watched the 93 GF a lot between 93 and 2000 and only a few times since, but pretty sure Healy said that for Fish it was to reduce inflammation around the spinal cord. Whether numbing everything means every muscle relaxes and subsequently inflammation subsides I have nfi, but my complete non-medical brain says that sort of makes sense in theory.

 

[faible]

Hence the law suit from him I suppose. 30 times in 68 games, basically every 2nd match. Given he played a total of 10 games in his first 2 seasons, certainly seems a bit excessive from there on, regardless of whether it was/is an accepted practice.

Maybe Dr Reid wasn't so negligent after all, considering he refused to continue the same treatment as to what Zantuck had previously received at Richmond.

The Dr Reid who wrote a letter saying he wasn't comfortable with the off-site injecting regime? We should have listened to him more often it seems.

 

[Lore]

Now my memory is being tested, I watched the 93 GF a lot between 93 and 2000 and only a few times since, but pretty sure Healy said that for Fish it was to reduce inflammation around the spinal cord. Whether numbing everything means every muscle relaxes and subsequently inflammation subsides I have nfi, but my complete non-medical brain says that sort of makes sense in theory.

Yeah technically an epidural is the method/location of the injection, but you can inject analgesics or anti-inflammatory drugs or probably other stuff I guess.

Analgesics seem to impair the sensory nerves and prevent any feeling below that point from being sent to the brain, but I’m not sure how an anti-inflammatory would work in the sense of whether it has global or localised effects

 

[Dave]

Now my memory is being tested, I watched the 93 GF a lot between 93 and 2000 and only a few times since, but pretty sure Healy said that for Fish it was to reduce inflammation around the spinal cord. Whether numbing everything means every muscle relaxes and subsequently inflammation subsides I have nfi, but my complete non-medical brain says that sort of makes sense in theory.

Yeah, he definitely had one, and certainly wasn't numb from there down . 5 goals from memory. Destroyed SOS.

 

[joey_jo_jo]

Gee I wonder why he has this opinion

‘It’s another flinch’: Beveridge fires at AFL’s high-tackle warning

The AFL’s warning on high tackles has divided coaches, with some praising the move while Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge accused the league of another “flinch”.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Beerfish]

Beveridge said he was concerned what it may mean for the game since it could put some players’ tactics into question when Beveridge believed they should be praised.

“Let’s not victimise that sort of behaviour because it should be rewarded, not penalised.”

Unreal...

 

[Call Me Cake]

All I hear is quacks.

 

[Blind Turn]

Now my memory is being tested, I watched the 93 GF a lot between 93 and 2000 and only a few times since, but pretty sure Healy said that for Fish it was to reduce inflammation around the spinal cord. Whether numbing everything means every muscle relaxes and subsequently inflammation subsides I have nfi, but my complete non-medical brain says that sort of makes sense in theory.

The numbing is caused by the Local anaesthetic which is used in epidurals during labour and is topped up prior to a caesarian section where morphine can also be included during the op. The duration is relatively short, but profound, so the patient won’t be able to walk for a bit afterwards. A continuous infusion can prolong the pain relief for longer if having had other major surgery.

The corticosteroids used as single epidural shots for analgesia in back pain are anti-inflammatory and are what can last for months. They aren’t numbing agents. I assumed that it would only be a limited number of doses you should give of corticosteroids due to side effects and found that it is only recommended to have 3 per year after having a quick online search. Maybe this is where there are questions of negligent treatment.

Epidurals are generally very safe so it’s important not to tarnish the treatment especially for anxious mothers-to-be. It isn’t into the spinal cord at all and is instead an injection via cannula into a potential space that surrounds the spinal cord. The techniques used are easily trained and the most likely side effects of slightly going beyond the epidural space is a nasty headache.

 

[Mr Bultitude]

Gee I wonder why he has this opinion

‘It’s another flinch’: Beveridge fires at AFL’s high-tackle warning

The AFL’s warning on high tackles has divided coaches, with some praising the move while Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge accused the league of another “flinch”.

www.theage.com.au

Cry me a ducking river, Bevo.

 

[MiguelM]

Cry me a ducking river, Bevo.

Crack down on the Dogs throws too & Bevo's game plan out the window!

 

[Albertross]

Norf are balls deep into Clarkson, who apparently wants $1.6M a year to coach. This could kill the club if it doesn't work out. Is he truly the messiah or just a very naughty boy!!!
The $1.6 million man: Kangaroos ‘in box seat’ for Clarko as ‘all-in’ plan to land coach revealed

 

[BrewSmackerVeiny]

Imagine losing a Granny to a Clarkson coached norf in 3 years

 

[Lore]

Norf are balls deep into Clarkson, who apparently wants $1.6M a year to coach. This could kill the club if it doesn't work out. Is he truly the messiah or just a very naughty boy!!!
The $1.6 million man: Kangaroos ‘in box seat’ for Clarko as ‘all-in’ plan to land coach revealed

So about a quarter of the entire footy department budget on one coach. They’d be absolutely mad.

 

[TheGrizz]

So about a quarter of the entire footy department budget on one coach. They’d be absolutely mad.

I wonder of there is some sort of handshake agreement about AFL soft cap relief tied up with a priority pick, with the AFL having say over other areas of their business.

 

[Beerfish]

So about a quarter of the entire footy department budget on one coach. They’d be absolutely mad.

Yeah that'd be like cutting half your list at once.