Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Thread XI

[Eleven 38]

WC is in trouble after losing to the GWS NEAFL side - They will need to improve to do better than the lower reaches of the eight.

The gws neafl side will probably do us by 15 goals next week.

 

[JayJ20]

WC is in trouble after losing to the GWS NEAFL side - They will need to improve to do better than the lower reaches of the eight.

People need to stop saying "GWS' NEAFL side" as if that's a bad thing. They have so much depth. Extremely talented side

 

[yaco55]

People need to stop saying "GWS' NEAFL side" as if that's a bad thing. They have so much depth. Extremely talented side

The relevance is that WC should comfortably beat that GWS team in Perth or any place - That performance by WC wasn't much better than last week.

 

[JayJ20]

I think Sydney is the only team that we haven't beaten since GWS came in

 

[Doss]

Correct.

The relevance is that WC should comfortably beat that GWS team in Perth or any place - That performance by WC wasn't much better than last week.

GWS have much better depth than WC. It ain't rocket surgery.

 

[citizen-erased]

I think Sydney is the only team that we haven't beaten since GWS came in

trying to work out who we haven't beaten since 2012
please don't be richmond.

 

[Doss]

trying to work out who we haven't beaten since 2012
please don't be richmond.

Sydney.

 

[DERO]

So Battle is doing a Fletcher.

Wasn't Fletch still a student at the school and 17 or 18 though?

 

[Phone]

well I would hope Battle is still a student at the school too...

 

[BrunoV]

Does anyone know what Champion Data classifies as a contested possession?

I think I've thought of contested possessions almost being clearances.

Would all of our handballing under pressure against Richmond have been contested possession? If so, it's another stat which is virtually meaningless, to determining whether or not a side has played well, when the high possession rate is caused and then preyed upon by the opposition.

 

[Mercurial89]

Does anyone know what Champion Data classifies as a contested possession?

I think I've thought of contested possessions almost being clearances.

Would all of our handballing under pressure against Richmond have been contested possession? If so, it's another stat which is virtually meaningless because the high possession rate is preyed upon by the opposition.

Im pretty sure it is the winning of a loose ball, so if a ball is in dispute did you take possession of it and then dispose of it to advantage.

So for example. Ball trickles towards boundary line couple of players fight over it, we take possession and then fire off 2-3 handballs all under pressure to try and clear the area. that would be 1 contested possession the winning of the ball and the initial disposal of it to advantage.

So all the rest of the possessions are just disposals under pressure.

The inference you would make from the stat is, we were first to the ball, won it, managed to get the ball out to a player and then we turned it over, through Richmond's pressure and our poor ball use.
A way to measure Richmond's pressure would be the fact that we were getting first use, but were unable to clear their pressure zones (you can see that through the ridiculous amount of handballs we used vs our normal game), we then turn it over and they punch it into the 50 where we force a loose ball, win it, poor disposal, repeat inside 50s.

 

[eth-dog]

Does anyone know what Champion Data classifies as a contested possession?

I think I've thought of contested possessions almost being clearances.

Would all of our handballing under pressure against Richmond have been contested possession? If so, it's another stat which is virtually meaningless, to determining whether or not a side has played well, when the high possession rate is caused and then preyed upon by the opposition.

A contested possession is limited to the following:

Contested marks
Clearances
Free kicks
Balls in dispute

So no, it wouldn't have been included.

 

[BrunoV]

A contested possession is limited to the following:

Contested marks
Clearances
Free kicks
Balls in dispute

So no, it wouldn't have been included.

Thanks, does it say what is considered to be a ball in dispute?

 

[Mercurial89]

Thanks, does it say what is considered to be a ball in dispute?

this might help

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...rd-ball-get-and-contested-possession.1050442/

 

[eth-dog]

Thanks, does it say what is considered to be a ball in dispute?

I'm pretty sure that's any ball that touches the ground.

 

[Lore]

A mouthguard with a microchip to measure force and detect concussions?

 

[yaco55]

Boyd has won the Dogs a Flag. I doubt anything else matters from that perspective.

Boyd had a decent GF with more of his good work done in the ruck - Has not shown any improvement in 2017 - He'll end up being a ruck/forward which is a long way from the predictions of him being a dominant forward - He's every chance to be dropped from the team if he continues his current vein of form - Boyd is the most over-paid player in the competition.

Mate he won them that flag. The rest of it is just bullshit.

"A few good games"? His performance vs Mumford in the Prelim was excellent and he was robbed of a Norm Smith for the GF he played. Make no mistake, without Boyd they don't make the GF or win it. If they win a second it overwhelmingly points that making that move was the right one to do.

Seriously you over-rate average players - Boyd competed well in the PF and nullified Mumford's influence, while he had a decent GF in his ruck/forward role - He was hardly the reason why the Bulldog's won the GF - he was a piece in the puzzle.

 

[Lore]

Fasolo also taking time off for mental health. I'm not sure if this just reflects the proportion of people suffering from issues of mental health among the general population and particularly this age group, or whether there is more to be done to supports people working in high-pressure, high-profile environments such as playing AFL.

 

[Mercurial89]

Fasolo also taking time off for mental health. I'm not sure if this just reflects the proportion of people suffering from issues of mental health among the general population and particularly this age group, or whether there is more to be done to supports people working in high-pressure, high-profile environments such as playing AFL.

All the best Faz.

 

[Stopher]

I feel a bit bad for laughing at the arrogant bastard for missing shot after shot on goal this season.

Hope he gets through his issues asap though.

 

[Mercuri Rising]

Fasolo also taking time off for mental health. I'm not sure if this just reflects the proportion of people suffering from issues of mental health among the general population and particularly this age group, or whether there is more to be done to supports people working in high-pressure, high-profile environments such as playing AFL.

Population proportion's got to be plenty higher than the proportion that have actually gone public in the AFL - and that's before even accounting for the environmental factors.

 

[Alfred E Neuman]

Fasolo also taking time off for mental health. I'm not sure if this just reflects the proportion of people suffering from issues of mental health among the general population and particularly this age group, or whether there is more to be done to supports people working in high-pressure, high-profile environments such as playing AFL.

I'd be surprised if the incidence of mental health issues within the AFL playing group isn't higher than what it is in the rest of the population.

Apart from the heightened pressure and scrutiny that comes with the territory, being jeered by tens of thousands of morons every week must take a toll, especially if you're on the borderline of suffering from any mental health issues.

 

[Lore]

Population proportion's got to be plenty higher than the proportion that have actually gone public in the AFL - and that's before even accounting for the environmental factors.

Yeah I think it's something like 1 in 3 people experience it in their lives. I'm not sure what the stat is for 15-30 year olds though... I know there's a lot in that age group but I think there'd be a lot of people that experience it as a result of life-stresses in middle age and through loneliness in old age.

 

[Champion_Data]

Does anyone know what Champion Data classifies as a contested possession?

I think I've thought of contested possessions almost being clearances.

Would all of our handballing under pressure against Richmond have been contested possession? If so, it's another stat which is virtually meaningless, to determining whether or not a side has played well, when the high possession rate is caused and then preyed upon by the opposition.

Simplification of definition:
Ball given to you = Uncontested Possession
You win the ball = Contested Possession

 

[Phone]

hey man if you're not just a really bizarre parody account, could you stop posting on internet forums and doing vanity searches and start working on making your vast collection of statistics available to the general public