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[jmoo wan]

Say you catch covid and are vaccinated and it doesn't do much to you, but then next year you get it again (you have had you're booster shot) but are perhaps a bit more sick from a variant that stronger, then the following year you get a mild case...and so on. What happens after we have had it 10 times. We will be allowing it to come, and allowing us to get it multiple times. Will there be some sort of damage to our bodies that will eventually catch up with us and make really sick.

No. The immune system doesn't work like that. Think of it like memories. For example - imagine yesterday you ate a really tasty looking jelly bean that was flavoured like a piece of dog shit and you ate it and thought, "this is really gross I am never doing that again". But then next year you see a piece of dog shit that looks delicious but that smells really similar to that jelly bean, and you take a really big sniff of it and it makes you a little woozy, but you remember that jelly bean flavoured dog shit that you ate last year, and decide not to eat it because it was nasty. And then the year after that, you come across another similar piece of dog shit that looks really tasty, but maybe this one is a different consistency, and so you have a little nibble, but then before you can go any further it triggers the memory of that dogshit flavoured jelly bean that you really didn't like, and you remember that it is a bad idea so you run away from that particular strain of dogshit.

its just like that.

The jelly bean is the vaccine, and covid is the dogshit.

 

[Beerfish]

Might be a few opportunities in the mines soon, with the mining companies turfing out all the unvaxxed FIFOs. I can't imagine that's a policy they'll be changing any time soon either, an outbreak at a mine site would be a nightmare for them to deal with.

I reckon most will get vaxed when push comes to shove. They already work in hypercontrolled environments where you can be sacked for all manner of things.

 

[faible]

How does everyone feel about it the end of lockdown? I have feelings of apprehension (I work at a school in a suburb with the 6th most active cases) and a bit of unease. I realise we need to get on with things and open up again, but it's a different feeling opening up this time with thousands of daily new cases.

I feel fine about it, just don't understand people who have the mindset of trying to 'catch up' on the stuff they've missed out on.

Like I wouldn't normally go to dinner 5 times and drink at 17 different bars on the weekend, so why would I do it now?

The time has gone, do the things you'd usually do that makes you happy.

I went for a swim in a pool, and had a coffee sitting down at a table. Exactly what I'd usually have done.

 

[boncer34]

I feel fine about it, just don't understand people who have the mindset of trying to 'catch up' on the stuff they've missed out on.

Like I wouldn't normally go to dinner 5 times and drink at 17 different bars on the weekend, so why would I do it now?

The time has gone, do the things you'd usually do that makes you happy.

I went for a swim in a pool, and had a coffee sitting down at a table. Exactly what I'd usually have done.

Why not Grandpa?

 

[faible]

Why not Grandpa?

Because when you get old you realise the cool thing to do, is not spend the weekend hungover. One day you'll catch up to us old folk.

 

[ScrappyCoCo]

How does everyone feel about it the end of lockdown? I have feelings of apprehension (I work at a school in a suburb with the 6th most active cases) and a bit of unease. I realise we need to get on with things and open up again, but it's a different feeling opening up this time with thousands of daily new cases.

Same...mainly because I have been quite unwell throughout this whole pandemic and don't really want to get it, although it is probably unavoidable now. It doesn't help having a bit of a wild son (18 years old) that wants to get on with things. I don't blame him...I only need to think of the fun times I was having at his age. It would help if he got a decent job and moved out with his girl friend though haha.

 

[Mercurial89]

I feel fine about it, just don't understand people who have the mindset of trying to 'catch up' on the stuff they've missed out on.

Like I wouldn't normally go to dinner 5 times and drink at 17 different bars on the weekend, so why would I do it now?

The time has gone, do the things you'd usually do that makes you happy.

I went for a swim in a pool, and had a coffee sitting down at a table. Exactly what I'd usually have done.

I won't be rushing out to spend money and time to try make up for time lost.

My only thing will be I'm less likely to push back a catch up with mates or family.
Having not seen my parents in a long time I may be more inclined to visit than I was before.

First step though is getting the fitness back I've lost and going on more hikes. It was something I loved doing, unfortuantely the lockdowns have meant that now some quite secluded places are going to be swimming with people but nature is nature I guess, I'll take what I can get.

 

[Lore]

I'll be catching up with friends and family a bit more because there are birthdays and weddings that have been put off for a long time, people I would see regularly that I haven't seen for 6 months, all of those things are in the ASAP pile.

Not a lot of interest in rushing out to concerts, shows, cinemas or browsing around shopping centres though. Anything that's indoors and packed with strangers is a nope. That stuff can wait.

Also, Christmas shopping is going to be a nightmare isn't it? Almost November and even the early birds haven't started... going to be a Black Friday crush.

 

[jmoo wan]

I'm really looking forward to being able to head back into the office, and being able to take a sick day off to just bum around at home all day.

 

[boncer34]

Well restrictions are becoming a thing of the past for the fully vaccinated.

 

[Lore]

Advice to be public, safeguards for check-in data under new pandemic laws

A bill to be tabled on Tuesday will mean an independent committee scrutinises key government decisions and the chief health officer no longer has the final say on how Victoria handles a pandemic.

www.theage.com.au

 

[baz_machine]

Well restrictions are becoming a thing of the past for the fully vaccinated.

pandemic is sooo last year. move onto climate change

 

[DERO]

pandemic is sooo last year. move onto climate change

It will be over when Dan says it is over apparently.

 

[Mercurial89]

It will be over when Dan says it is over apparently.

Why does everything I read when just checking on the covid stats act like we have Palpatine as our premier?
What's he done?

 

[GUMBLETRON]

Why does everything I read when just checking on the covid stats act like we have Palpatine as our premier?
What's he done?

They've introduced new pandemic laws to Parliament that are kinda weird.

Victoria’s proposed pandemic laws are drawing strong reactions. Here’s what the changes will really mean

Premier Daniel Andrews is defending the proposed pandemic laws, which have drawn the ire of some and been welcomed by others. So how will these proposed laws work? And why are some critics concerned?

www.abc.net.au

 

[jmoo wan]

Why does everything I read when just checking on the covid stats act like we have Palpatine as our premier?
What's he done?

he’s bought order to the galaxy state

 

[Lore]

Why does everything I read when just checking on the covid stats act like we have Palpatine as our premier?
What's he done?

They've introduced new pandemic laws to Parliament that are kinda weird.

Victoria’s proposed pandemic laws are drawing strong reactions. Here’s what the changes will really mean

Premier Daniel Andrews is defending the proposed pandemic laws, which have drawn the ire of some and been welcomed by others. So how will these proposed laws work? And why are some critics concerned?

www.abc.net.au

Health advice has to be tabled in parliament, which I assume means it has to be formally written out and will end up being more idealistic, kind of like the report from a royal commission or something, not just Sutton's contribution in a roundtable discussion.

There's also some sort of committee of human rights/health experts that is supposed to review the health advice, but it doesn't seem to have any teeth.

Then the Health Minister can either listen to the health advice or not, put in place appropriate measures or not, the same as ATAGI's recommendations can be ignored.

All of that only happens if the Premier declares a pandemic every 3 months.

Then if we don't like the way they're handling it we can vote out a back bencher, but only once every 4 years.


It's a strange mix of transparency in favour of toothless health advice, while the power to actually act on it is subject to political expediency.

 

[Mercurial89]

Health advice has to be tabled in parliament, which I assume means it has to be formally written out and will end up being more idealistic, kind of like the report from a royal commission or something, not just Sutton's contribution in a roundtable discussion.

There's also some sort of committee of human rights/health experts that is supposed to review the health advice, but it doesn't seem to have any teeth.

Then the Health Minister can either listen to the health advice or not, put in place appropriate measures or not, the same as ATAGI's recommendations can be ignored.

All of that only happens if the Premier declares a pandemic every 3 months.

Then if we don't like the way they're handling it we can vote out a back bencher, but only once every 4 years.


It's a strange mix of transparency in favour of toothless health advice, while the power to actually act on it is subject to political expediency.

Bit above my head to be honest.
It sounds similar to something he was getting asked to do months ago, the bill also talks about harsher penalties for infringements of health orders, which everyone was calling for when we had border hoppers and wealthy parties starting outbreaks everywhere?

It's odd that this is where people start calling out shit? Not the 100s of other times bills or governments over reached on various things.

This pandemic has been tiresome on so many levels.

 

[DERO]

Bit above my head to be honest.
It sounds similar to something he was getting asked to do months ago, the bill also talks about harsher penalties for infringements of health orders, which everyone was calling for when we had border hoppers and wealthy parties starting outbreaks everywhere?

It's odd that this is where people start calling out sh*t? Not the 100s of other times bills or governments over reached on various things.

This pandemic has been tiresome on so many levels.

It was a tongue in cheek comment from me but I did notice the concern coming from the Law Society and head of the Victorian Bar Association.

 

[yodellinhank]

Is the exponential rise in scam callers and spam text messages related to use of the services victoria app, or is that conspiracy theorist misinformation?

I'm hesitant to go through with linking my vac certificate with all the additional information being requested.

 

[Lore]

Is the exponential rise in scam callers and spam text messages related to use of the services victoria app, or is that conspiracy theorist misinformation?

I'm hesitant to go through with linking my vac certificate with all the additional information being requested.

I think some third party sign-in systems that some businesses were using might have been hacked or the numbers sold or something, which might go some way to explaining the increase in spam.

I use ServicesVic to sign in and have a couple other things in there including the vax cert, and I hardly get any spam.

Never got the Craig Kelly/Clive Palmer SMSs. Never got the fake WhatsApp/AusPost SMSs either.

I have been getting those calls with the spoofed caller ID for years, either a random Australian mobile number or a random international number. Then when you answer there's a pre-recorded voice, one version speaks Mandarin Chinese and idk what it says, the other is in English about a tax debt with the ATO.

I've been getting those ones since long before the pandemic started so I don't think it's related... seems like an autodialler.

 

[baz_machine]

Is the exponential rise in scam callers and spam text messages related to use of the services victoria app, or is that conspiracy theorist misinformation?

I'm hesitant to go through with linking my vac certificate with all the additional information being requested.

tldr; got nothing to do with the services victoria app. it is just these types of scams are very effective in getting ppl to click on the link and thus send out more messages from real numbers, which makes it basically impossible to stop

Why you’re getting so many scam text messages lately

Some scam text messages are so dodgy they’re easy to spot, with amusing typos or clearly fake websites not fooling too many recipients.

www.news.com.au

 

[yodellinhank]

tldr; got nothing to do with the services victoria app. it is just these types of scams are very effective in getting ppl to click on the link and thus send out more messages from real numbers, which makes it basically impossible to stop

Why you’re getting so many scam text messages lately

Some scam text messages are so dodgy they’re easy to spot, with amusing typos or clearly fake websites not fooling too many recipients.

www.news.com.au

I haven't clicked anything, the messages have all been blocked by the phone. But what started as one "incoming spam alert" every other day is now up around 6 a day some days.

And it's rare for me to answer a phone call, not because I screen but my phone is always on silent so I only ever answer if it's in my hand. Yesterday the guy had my name and I wondered where the leak has come from. Probably Essendon Football Club I guess But it does worry me adding my documents of ID to the app.

 

[baz_machine]

It's not you clicking on anything, it's other ppl clicking on it and then generating the message from their phone to you.
I have been getting stacks lately as well, after never getting any. Just delete / block move on with it. Basically just annoyance in modern life. Like door to door salesmen 50 years ago

 

[TheGrizz]

I haven't been one for the 'Chairman Dan' rhetoric as I thought it was overblown ans sensationalised by social media, but this new bill is absolutely bonkers.

Public Health and Wellbeing (Pandemic Management) Bill 2021 | Victorian Bar

Dear Members, Over the past 24 hours, the Victorian Bar has become aware of a bill to amend the Public Health and Wellbeing Act 2020 (PHW Act) in respect of, amongst other things, pandemic management.

www.vicbar.com.au

I mean the fact they say they 'Consulted the Victorian bar' when all they did was a 45 minute zoom where pandemic management wasn't discussed, and organising a workshop they then cancelled without rescheduling. That is as intentionally misleading as it gets.

 

[Beerfish]

the other is in English about a tax debt with the ATO.

Jason Connors.