Mega Thread Non-Freo AFL Discussion 2024 Part 2

[Big Animal]

sets Duggan up nicely for post-career litigation against the AFL. AFL made a song and dance about how this latest head knock for him was wrong by giving the tackler a massive 3 weeks off work, then only to turn around and say, nah, that's a football action, that's an allowable part of our game and what our employees can be subjected to, no ramification for the tackler at all. Pretty Fn stupid if you ask me.

 

[Taylor]

Is concussion an unpredictable and unknown outcome of genuine football actions? I say it is not, I've seen guys knock themselves out landing form taking a mark.

There is an element of physical risk in the game and if punching a guy in the face is worth less than a tackle without malice then there's an imbalance there.

 

[freo84]

There’s probably 20 blokes missing with concussion this week

They gotta do something


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Not by suspending legal tackles.

Suspend the actions that deserve it.

 

[ilikepotatoes]

Is concussion an unpredictable and unknown outcome of genuine football actions? I say it is not, I've seen guys knock themselves out landing form taking a mark.

There is an element of physical risk in the game and if punching a guy in the face is worth less than a tackle without malice then there's an imbalance there.

I suppose the next time someone gets knocked out by the ball do we suspend the kicker?

 

[Taylor]

I suppose the next time someone gets knocked out by the ball do we suspend the kicker?

The ball, clearly. It's the only sensible choice.

 

[JunglistPosse]

looks like three weeks - hard to get this downgraded to nil?

Don’t think so

 

[thistimeforsure]

Not by suspending legal tackles.

Suspend the actions that deserve it.

It’s the legal tackles that are causing most of them , there’s not many true sling tackles that are doing the damage now it’s all the “ what was he supposed to do “ ones

If they don’t do something it’ll get worse and worse , whatever the reason is stronger players , harder grounds , better medical understanding or softer skulls concussion is getting out of control


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[freo84]

It’s the legal tackles that are causing most of them , there’s not many true sling tackles that are doing the damage now it’s all the “ what was he supposed to do “ ones

If they don’t do something it’ll get worse and worse , whatever the reason is stronger players , harder grounds , better medical understanding or softer skulls concussion is getting out of control


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The only way is to ban tackling and contact. Which will be the end of the sport.

 

[Purpletown]

I thought they shut that loophole down as an option after Cripps got off.

The AFL article states it was "an error of law" in both the Cameron and Bedford cases.

I can't remember exactly what happened in the Cripps case but there are some serious issues involved if that's the best the AFL judiciary can do.

The clowns seem to be running the circus at AFL headquarters.

 

[pK75]

The AFL article states it was "an error of law" in both the Cameron and Bedford cases.

I can't remember exactly what happened in the Cripps case but there are some serious issues involved if that's the best the AFL judiciary can do.

The clowns seem to be running the circus at AFL headquarters.

Maybe “an error of law” is AFL speak for the MRO was off chops when he handed down 3 week suspensions for legal tackles

 

[doppo]

So after a week of hearing non-stop debate about the Bedford and Cameron tackles - we are left none the wiser as to whether they are illegal or worthy of a suspension. Due to a legal technicality.

Kudos to the GWS legal team for listening to the Cameron case and basically using “what they said” as their defence

 

[arsesmart]

Nah. There are few things more exhilarating and team lifting than a rundown tackle.

I still think about James Clement chasing down Darren Milburnand dragging him to the deck.

Troy Cook ripping the life out of blokes.

It’s fantastic.

Fine. Just keep your feet. You can still do a run down tackle (although having a strong rugby background, AFL tackles for the most part look pretty lame to me).

If you want to see what a game looks like where HTB is almost not a thing, watch the '89 GF. The whole game was pretty exhilarating.

 

[arsesmart]

So after a week of hearing non-stop debate about the Bedford and Cameron tackles - we are left none the wiser as to whether they are illegal or worthy of a suspension. Due to a legal technicality.

Kudos to the GWS legal team for listening to the Cameron case and basically using “what they said” as their defence

They probably will rewrite the definition of what a legal tackle is over the offseason. CTE ain't going away.

 

[FreoGirl]

Don’t think so

I forgot about the "good bloke" defense lol

Heeney would be feeling even more ripped off

 

[longsuffreosupp]

I thought Cameron should have gone as he keep going after the initial tackle and the aggression was strong, whereas I thought Bedford couldn't have done anything else. Guess there's so much grey area, but AFL look silly again with both getting off on technicalities..

 

[FreoGirl]

I thought Cameron should have gone as he keep going after the initial tackle and the aggression was strong, whereas I thought Bedford couldn't have done anything else. Guess there's so much grey area, but AFL look silly again with both getting off on technicalities..

Bedford showed so much remorse - I actually felt terrible for him

 

[theGav56]

At it's heart it's misogynistic and I expect its use will lead to suspensions in the not too distant future.
That misogyny is obviously not on people's minds when they use the word (hell, I know people who use it as a synonym for "bloke") but ultimately that doesn't matter. The same is true of the word Clarko used, people just drop it as an equivalent to "arseh*le" or "****wit" without it even crossing their mind that it is a homophobic slur. (Not a defence of Clarko, it IS homophobic).
Collard's word is somewhat different in that it remains tied up with notions of effeminacy and the idea that homosexual men are not "real men".

Bastard is a slur and I guess a low key swear word. A key difference is that our society hasn't especially evolved to suppress or marginalise bastards as a group.

But we have done that with women, different races, sexual preferences.

 

[Bigger]

If you want to see what a game looks like where HTB is almost not a thing, watch the '89 GF. The whole game was pretty exhilarating.

Preaching to the perverted.

 

[Halfbaked]

I suppose the next time someone gets knocked out by the ball do we suspend the kicker?

Unless it's a Blues player, then the ball cops 4 weeks.

 

[CharlieMortdecai]

Bastard is a slur and I guess a low key swear word. A key difference is that our society hasn't especially evolved to suppress or marginalise bastards as a group.

But we have done that with women, different races, sexual preferences.

Yeah, good parallel. There was a time when it was insulting to question a person's parentage (no doubt still exists in some cultures). But all my kids are illegitimate and I don't think the fact has ever come up in their lives.
campaigner, ******, ********er are moving in the other direction, at least in situations where there are third party controls over language such as the workplace and the footy field. It's no longer just a matter of "you really shouldn't use rude words" but rather "these words have origins and connotations that are derogatory to groups in our community".

 

[arsesmart]

Yeah, good parallel. There was a time when it was insulting to question a person's parentage (no doubt still exists in some cultures). But all my kids are illegitimate and I don't think the fact has ever come up in their lives.
campaigner, ******, ********er are moving in the other direction, at least in situations where there are third party controls over language such as the workplace and the footy field. It's no longer just a matter of "you really shouldn't use rude words" but rather "these words have origins and connotations that are derogatory to groups in our community".

That word has almost totally moved towards meaning something else entirely. To the point where maybe the majority of people who use it have never known its origins in enshrining religious sanctity of marriage and control of relationships.

 

[Paracleet]

That word has almost totally moved towards meaning something else entirely. To the point where maybe the majority of people who use it have never known its origins in enshrining religious sanctity of marriage and control of relationships.

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[Snuffaluphagus]

"Campaigner" is going absolutely no where in Australia short of some artificial push in America that is taken up here for no real reason.

Biggest difference being it hasnt been used for its specific meaning to deliberately demean women for eons. It was basically replaced by "Karen" which has a far greater chance of being deemed "unacceptable" in the near future IMO.

 

[Kram]

"Campaigner" is going absolutely no where in Australia short of some artificial push in America that is taken up here for no real reason.

Biggest difference being it hasnt been used for its specific meaning to deliberately demean women for eons. It was basically replaced by "Karen" which has a far greater chance of being deemed "unacceptable" in the near future IMO.

Never underestimate the influence and ridiculousness of the newly created religion of woke.

 

[FreoGirl]

Jack Darling

27

Jack Darling

Age

32

Ht

191cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

4.2

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

4.3

2star

HB

3.7

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.4

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

14.6

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

6.0

5star

T

4.0

5star

G

1.4

5star

must be really on the outer at WCE. They have so many injuries and he still can't get back into the team...