Mega Thread Non-Freo AFL Discussion 2024 Part 2

[BlueE]

The ineligibility for being suspended is as dumb rule in the sense that you still poll votes for something you can’t win.

What even is the point of the umpires voting for someone if they can’t win? They’re out of the running so why deprive votes for someone who might be the fourth best player or someone goes from 2 to 3 votes.

The votes are irrelevant when you’re not able to win so might as well void them from being able to poll votes too

They shouldn't be disqualified or have votes taken off them.

The player is already punished by not being eligible for votes for how many weeks they get suspended for.

Brownlow MVP.

Especially when betting is involved, more scrutiny should go into how Cripps managed to get so many votes.

Especially BOG in three out of five losses.

 

[CapitalA]

Putting my conspiracy theory hat on, umpires pumped votes into Cripps to avoid the AFL having the embarrassment of Heeney finishing with most votes but not winning.

I think it's because carlton's midfield is so bad that Cripps is the only one who polls votes so they all go to him by default.

 

[BlueE]

I think it's because carlton's midfield is so bad that Cripps is the only one who polls votes so they all go to him by default.

Even when they lose five times he's BOG for three of them?

 

[stax on the mull]

I think Fyfe holds the record as the winner of a Brownlow who has polled the most votes in losing games. Not sure if that changed after last night.

Fyfe's was 16 out of 33 in losing games with 4 BOGs in losing games.

 

[CapitalA]

Even when they lose five times he's BOG for three of them?

Yeah it is pretty fishy...

 

[Docker82]

On the Brownlow. The much vaunted Carlton team, the team rated by a load of media "Experts" as the top rated team and mid field, polled 87 vote all up. Of that 87, 45 were plooed by Cripps.
How much smoke have the ,especially Melbourne media, been blowing up the Carltons clackers!!!
The Fox team have raved about them all year ,yet only managed to register about one vote per player after taking the Cripps votes out.

A dual Brownlow medalist, dual Coleman medalist, another Coleman medalist and two number one picks.

The answer to your question is that outside of 4-5 additional players outside of the above the rest of their team isn’t much good at all.

Tbf we weren’t too much different when we had Pavlich, Sandilands, McPharlin, Johnson, Mundy, Fyfe, Hill, Barlow, Duffield, Ballantyne and Walters. Difference is that is a few more good players and we had a coach that could actually coach. Rest of our team had no business in the top four though - same with about eight players in Carlton’s best 22.

 

[Alfonz]

The worst Cripps one was this game:

AFL Match Statistics : Essendon defeated by Carlton at MCG Round 13 Sunday, 9th June 2024

Essendon defeated by Carlton at MCG Round 13 Sunday, 9th June 2024 AFL match statistics

www.footywire.com

21st ranked for SC points, 29th for DT points, 3rd worst disposal efficiency, 4th most clangers, 2 votes.

 

[anchor man]

While this would be ideal, it makes more sense to simply ignore the player from the voting once they are rubbed out.

I know this opens up issues if a player gets suspended round 1 v round 23, however it seems really silly to continue to give votes to an ineligible candidate.

If a politician somehow becomes ineligible in an election, you wouldn’t vote for them would you?

Mmmm hardly applicable the last part.
Plenty still sitting in Parliament from last regime that should be sitting in the dock.

 

[BlueE]

I think Fyfe holds the record as the winner of a Brownlow who has polled the most votes in losing games. Not sure if that changed after last night.

Fyfe's was 16 out of 33 in losing games with 4 BOGs in losing games.

Fyfe's BOG when losing by 77 points to Richmond in 2018 is one that's sus.

Cripps had two BOG's losing in last four games in 2024. Only 2 or three point margins though. And another 2 points in a losing team Rd 18 to go with two BOG in winning teams in Rd 19 and 23.

14 votes in five rounds 18-24, when losing three games. Not a bad effort. Bont's want to know the secret.

I wonder how much of the total betting pool was on Daicos?

Anyhow my money was on Serong. $25 at $31 for a $775 payout. Don't mind supporting the young lad!

 

[stax on the mull]

2018 Fyfe wasn't in contention for the Brownlow. Don't think that Richmond BOG game was sussed. 33 possessions. 26 contested possessions, 6 contested marks. The game was grind for 3 quarters then Richmond blew it away in the last.

2019 is the year Fyfe won his 2nd Brownlow. That's the year he polled 16 out of 33 in losing games. 4 BOG's in losing games.

 

[Bender571]

2018 Fyfe wasn't in contention for the Brownlow. Don't think that Richmond BOG game was sussed. 33 possessions. 26 contested possessions, 6 contested marks. The game was grind for 3 quarters then Richmond blew it away in the last.

Fyfe also had 12 clearances, 7 hitouts and 10 coaches votes in that game.

 

[BlueE]

2018 Fyfe wasn't in contention for the Brownlow. Don't think that Richmond BOG game was sussed. 33 possessions. 26 contested possessions, 6 contested marks. The game was grind for 3 quarters then Richmond blew it away in the last.

2019 is the year Fyfe won his 2nd Brownlow. That's the year he polled 16 out of 33 in losing games. 4 BOG's in losing games.

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Gary Ablett also won two BOG's in 90 point losses in two separate years, so can happen.

Are the Brownlow votes on this? Losing 8 out of the last 9.

Were the four BOG's in those losing games?

 

[stax on the mull]

Just saying it's absolutely possible for a player to be BOG in a losing game. The last time we beat Carlton was at Optus in 2022 and we won by 6 goals and Cripps had 32 and kicked 3 goals was clearly best on ground.

I'd have to watch every Carlton game to see how far the umpires skewed the votes, but even if you take half a dozen off him he still wins and if you take a couple off N. Daicos, it's still daylight between Cripps, Daicos and 3rd.

The Fyfe example from his 2015 Brownlow is that sometimes you get votes in games you don't expect and sometimes you miss out on votes when you should get them.

 

[Freomaniac]

every Freo supporter should be going for Sydney for Neale and Warner purposes

I am not fussed either way.

Swans win, the premiership cup travels 713 km from the MCG to the Sydney CBD
Lions win, the premiership cup travels 1,374 km from the MCG to Brisbane CBD.

 

[Schauermann]

I think Fyfe holds the record as the winner of a Brownlow who has polled the most votes in losing games. Not sure if that changed after last night.

Fyfe's was 16 out of 33 in losing games with 4 BOGs in losing games.

Actually Cripps had 34 votes in 13 wins. That alone would have won a few Brownlows. 11 in losses.

We could have cracked 50 votes with Carlton winning more games.

What I find most puzzling about this dominance is that he was among the favourites at seasons end but not like in some other years the ONE and only favourite.

 

[james haish]

I think it's because carlton's midfield is so bad that Cripps is the only one who polls votes so they all go to him by default.

Nah, 45 votes is crazy. Same with Daicos 38.

It’s actually a result of four umpires: decisions made by committee are usually “safer” than those made by fewer or single people. This is Brownlow by consensus.

 

[DocT]

This is interesting:

How AFL trends led to insane Brownlow results and why Champion Data analyst can’t see it changing

“The game has changed significantly over the last seven, eight or nine years.”

www.sen.com.au

 

[The Feeder Club]

This is interesting:

How AFL trends led to insane Brownlow results and why Champion Data analyst can’t see it changing

“The game has changed significantly over the last seven, eight or nine years.”

www.sen.com.au

I don't buy that one bit. Go back 20 years, like this guy says, and you'll see exactly the same thing, the Eagles set their whole team up around Judd and Cousins.

 

[Bender571]

If that explained all the increase then it should also apply to the coaches votes. Daicos won with 117 votes and in 2010 with one less round Swan won with 114 votes. Most year the winner has 90-110 votes.

I think the biggest factor is the umpires not having access to stats anymore and they have more rules to interpret so they're even less focused on who's actually playing well leading to them guessing and picking the "superstar".

 

[Fat Nyfe]

This is interesting:

How AFL trends led to insane Brownlow results and why Champion Data analyst can’t see it changing

“The game has changed significantly over the last seven, eight or nine years.”

www.sen.com.au

This is a silly take. Don't rate this Daniel Hoyne bloke at all. Champion Data should stick to collecting stats, because their analysis is regularly off the mark.

 

[Wallsy78]

Not sure where to put this but does anyone know where to look for tickets for the AFL GF? Can't seem to find a good marketplace/forum for people looking to buy/sell, besides Tixel but theres no volume due to no scalping on there

 

[Ge3ks]

Eagles got a new coach yet?
Eagles got a new coach yet?
Eagles got a new coach yet?
How about now?
How about now?
How about... now?

 

[Chicken Treat]

Is Hinkley getting pushed out of Port by the players?

 

[freo84]

Eagles got a new coach yet?
Eagles got a new coach yet?
Eagles got a new coach yet?
How about now?
How about now?
How about... now?

 

[AstonSouffle]

If that explained all the increase then it should also apply to the coaches votes. Daicos won with 117 votes and in 2010 with one less round Swan won with 114 votes. Most year the winner has 90-110 votes.

I think the biggest factor is the umpires not having access to stats anymore and they have more rules to interpret so they're even less focused on who's actually playing well leading to them guessing and picking the "superstar".

When I umpired juniors, other ump asked me 'Who do you think deserves votes?'

Me: **K knows, I wasn't paying attention to that - I was running around paying free kicks.

Did eventually get better at it... but it's not like I'm just sitting on my arse admiring their ability. Sometimes wonder what it would be like to be a fly on the wall and see the kids reactions when I probably gave votes to someone completely unexpected.

Personally think because I know the AFL have the capability, that each umpire should do 321 by themselves without needing a consensus, then the top 3 from each match are read as 3, 2, 1 on Brownlow night.