Oppo Camp Non Giants AFL discussion

[Giant Heart]

We're just a bit over being harassed by Bulldogs supporters on the topic I think. Although some are pissed at how he left. Objectively I think your right.

Fair enough. I don't like let my dislike for something cloud my judgement of something else, if I can help it. But I don't spend a great deal of time here, so I haven't found myself too frustrated with Dogs' fans in "real time". I read it a day or three later, if it's not already deleted.

 

[Giant Heart]

I'm prepared to back in the opinion of our playing group, they spent a lot more time with him than I, and he is the only player we've ever had where open disdain at the least was expressed..

I've heard he wasn't popular, although I haven't seen any confirmation of this. Disdain is a very strong term; have you got a link to an article which covers this issue?

Not that I don't believe that what you're saying has merit, I'm just curious myself to read anything regarding this issue myself.

 

[Colonial]

I've heard he wasn't popular, although I haven't seen any confirmation of this. Disdain is a very strong term; have you got a link to an article which covers this issue?

Not that I don't believe that what you're saying has merit, I'm just curious myself to read anything regarding this issue myself.

Management were going to do a Sunshine and nix the trade but playing group came in and asked them to push the trade through. Kinda says allot to me about how he was thought of.
The fact that earlier this year he belted a team mate at a pub says just as much.

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I think we facinate over this guy too much. Not a great look.

 

[Giant Heart]

Management were going to do a Sunshine and nix the trade but playing group came in and asked them to push the trade through. Kinda says allot to me about how he was thought of.
The fact that earlier this year he belted a team mate at a pub says just as much.

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Has this been substantiated? While it's not out of the realms of possibility for the players to do what you've said, what does it say about the list management team who, on a whim, did a complete u-turn on a very critical component of its list management strategy?

It's one thing to consult the playing/leadership group regarding list management and other player welfare issues, but it's another thing entirely to have a player directive march into the offices of the powers that be and demand that a list management decision be made based purely on their own emotive perspectives.

Circumstantially, what you're saying is compelling. Anecdotal references by a collective group, about an individual, if most or all accounts align, is certainly something to be taken into heavy consideration. When you add the fisty cuffs with a teammate, it doesn't look good.

 

[Ellie Aquitaine]

Has this been substantiated? While it's not out of the realms of possibility for the players to do what you've said, what does it say about the list management team who, on a whim, did a complete u-turn on a very critical component of its list management strategy?

The best actual published thing that's been confirmed was Jeremy Cameron's reaction to the trade on Twitter; which he called Boyd a "City Slicker" but you usually don't see anyone saying anything remotely negative about current or former teammates on social media without some form of #banter or similar.

I can't remember where it was published about the Leadership Group saying to go ahead; but it was all done in "sources say" unconfirmed, off-record way.

 

[Bokonon_]

The best actual published thing that's been confirmed was Jeremy Cameron's reaction to the trade on Twitter; which he called Boyd a "City Slicker" but you usually don't see anyone saying anything remotely negative about current or former teammates on social media without some form of #banter or similar.

I can't remember where it was published about the Leadership Group saying to go ahead; but it was all done in "sources say" unconfirmed, off-record way.

I do recall in the quick questions published that Jezza said the most useless gift he'd ever given was a freindship bracelet to Boyd. At the time the idea of guys giving each other freindship bracelets was what grabbed my attention, but that might be a generational thing.

 

[Ellie Aquitaine]

I do recall in the quick questions published that Jezza said the most useless gift he'd ever given was a freindship bracelet to Boyd. At the time the idea of guys giving each other freindship bracelets was what grabbed my attention, but that might be a generational thing.

I really don't think the two of them got on much at all. Bit of an Alpha KPF thing.

 

[Colonial]

I did read it in the news that Matthews was qouted as saying he was happy for the trade not to go through but the leadership group asked that it be completed. Think it was in the Terror.

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[Giant Heart]

The best actual published thing that's been confirmed was Jeremy Cameron's reaction to the trade on Twitter; which he called Boyd a "City Slicker" but you usually don't see anyone saying anything remotely negative about current or former teammates on social media without some form of #banter or similar.

I can't remember where it was published about the Leadership Group saying to go ahead; but it was all done in "sources say" unconfirmed, off-record way.

That's the best published piece we have regarding what General Giant has claimed? Sorry Ellie, and this is not said to sound like I'm shooting the messanger here, but are you suggesting that based on one tweet, from one player, whom which omitted an apparently critical hashtag (the reasons for which we don't even know), we can surmise with some form of logic that it was a player directive which ultimately determined how the Tom Boyd trade panned out?

I will make it clear again that I'm in no doubt that there were issues surrounding Tom Boyd's career at GWS and, by extension, his WB career, also. I have no doubt that he wasn't the most popular player at GWS and most likely WB, also. What I am still left with reasonable doubt is that a) Tom Boyd is as bad and as much of a flog that he's been made out here, and b) that a player directive essentially thwarted a list management decision.

I am not saying that none of this happened. I'm not saying that Tom Boyd isn't potentially a complete and utter knob with very low impulse control. I'm not even saying that most or all of the playing group couldn't have potentially disliked him to varying degrees. All I'm saying is that without substantiation of many of these claims, I'm not going to buy into them as fact.

 

[Determinant]

That's the best published piece we have regarding what General Giant has claimed? Sorry Ellie, and this is not said to sound like I'm shooting the messanger here, but are you suggesting that based on one tweet, from one player, whom which omitted an apparently critical hashtag (the reasons for which we don't even know), we can surmise with some form of logic that it was a player directive which ultimately determined how the Tom Boyd trade panned out?

I will make it clear again that I'm in no doubt that there were issues surrounding Tom Boyd's career at GWS and, by extension, his WB career, also. I have no doubt that he wasn't the most popular player at GWS and most likely WB, also. What I am still left with reasonable doubt is that a) Tom Boyd is as bad and as much of a flog that he's been made out here, and b) that a player directive essentially thwarted a list management decision.

I am not saying that none of this happened. I'm not saying that Tom Boyd isn't potentially a complete and utter knob with very low impulse control. I'm not even saying that most or all of the playing group couldn't have potentially disliked him to varying degrees. All I'm saying is that without substantiation of many of these claims, I'm not going to buy into them as fact.

What you believe is totally up to you, as it is to the rest of us.

From the Age
Tom Boyd leaves GWS for Bulldogs as Giants sign Ryan Griffen

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GREATER Western Sydney yesterday buckled under the advice of their leadership group before releasing Tom Boyd to the Western Bulldogs in a trade that involved the Giants securing Ryan Griffen.

As well as the disgruntled Bulldogs captain, GWS also received selection No 6 from the Dogs to give them three of the top seven national draft selections going into today’s final day of player trading, which ends at 2pm. The Giants started the week with selection four and have added overall picks six and seven.

GWS had been adamant that Boyd, the No 1 selection in last year’s national draft, would not be traded to the Dogs under any circumstances. The Bulldogs had earlier put a case for a straight swap between Boyd and Griffen.

AFL trades

Giants chief executive David Matthews said the club had changed its position.

“First, the Bulldogs have made a revised and attractive offer which now includes their first draft pick, an elite player in Ryan Griffen and salary cap assistance in relation to his contract,” Matthews said in a statement.

“Second, our coach Leon Cameron has consulted the leadership group and they have agreed they want a united and loyal playing group heading into an important season in 2015.
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FWIW, Jeremy Cameron also said in a player profile the "Most useless thing he had ever bough" was a freindship braclet for Tom Boyd.

There is nothing made up in the feeling around the club at the time.
I spoke to a couple of players whom I won't name who refused to be complimentary about the guy when I asked directly.

 

[Bokonon_]

Woo hooh!
Discord on our board, between regular posters
We're growing up guys!

 

[Colonial]

Woo hooh!
Discord on our board, between regular posters
We're growing up guys!

Shut up Wamp!

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[Colonial]

That's the best published piece we have regarding what General Giant has claimed? Sorry Ellie, and this is not said to sound like I'm shooting the messanger here, but are you suggesting that based on one tweet, from one player, whom which omitted an apparently critical hashtag (the reasons for which we don't even know), we can surmise with some form of logic that it was a player directive which ultimately determined how the Tom Boyd trade panned out?

I will make it clear again that I'm in no doubt that there were issues surrounding Tom Boyd's career at GWS and, by extension, his WB career, also. I have no doubt that he wasn't the most popular player at GWS and most likely WB, also. What I am still left with reasonable doubt is that a) Tom Boyd is as bad and as much of a flog that he's been made out here, and b) that a player directive essentially thwarted a list management decision.

I am not saying that none of this happened. I'm not saying that Tom Boyd isn't potentially a complete and utter knob with very low impulse control. I'm not even saying that most or all of the playing group couldn't have potentially disliked him to varying degrees. All I'm saying is that without substantiation of many of these claims, I'm not going to buy into them as fact.

Up to you. We are a free board here

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[Bokonon_]

Shut up Wamp!

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Your well structured, concise and logical argument has swayed me to your point of view. I will retire

 

[Colonial]

Your well structured, concise and logical argument has swayed me to your point of view. I will retire

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Always gets em.

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[Giant Heart]

What you believe is totally up to you, as it is to the rest of us.

From the Age
Tom Boyd leaves GWS for Bulldogs as Giants sign Ryan Griffen

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GREATER Western Sydney yesterday buckled under the advice of their leadership group before releasing Tom Boyd to the Western Bulldogs in a trade that involved the Giants securing Ryan Griffen.

As well as the disgruntled Bulldogs captain, GWS also received selection No 6 from the Dogs to give them three of the top seven national draft selections going into today’s final day of player trading, which ends at 2pm. The Giants started the week with selection four and have added overall picks six and seven.

GWS had been adamant that Boyd, the No 1 selection in last year’s national draft, would not be traded to the Dogs under any circumstances. The Bulldogs had earlier put a case for a straight swap between Boyd and Griffen.

AFL trades

Giants chief executive David Matthews said the club had changed its position.

“First, the Bulldogs have made a revised and attractive offer which now includes their first draft pick, an elite player in Ryan Griffen and salary cap assistance in relation to his contract,” Matthews said in a statement.

“Second, our coach Leon Cameron has consulted the leadership group and they have agreed they want a united and loyal playing group heading into an important season in 2015.
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FWIW, Jeremy Cameron also said in a player profile the "Most useless thing he had ever bough" was a freindship braclet for Tom Boyd.

There is nothing made up in the feeling around the club at the time.
I spoke to a couple of players whom I won't name who refused to be complimentary about the guy when I asked directly.

What I believe is generally guided by the supporting evidence. The fact that it has been reported, as per the first paragraph of that article, that at the very least the playing group were consulted confirms there were a lot of issues. This has never been something which I've contested.

I'll maintain my stance that, based on the article earlier about Boyd's "reflections", that there's some scope left for him to forge a decent career after now having potentially pulled his head in. But, his time with us, which is all that really matters on this board, will be remembered for all the wrong reasons.

 

[Giant Heart]

Up to you. We are a free board here

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Hmmm. That makes sense now. I always wondered why I encountered this sign upon entry:

 

[coniglio_number1]

Simon Tunbridge has torn his ACL. Safe to say his career is now over. Poor bloke hasn't had much of a chance to show his wares

 

[Bokonon_]

What I believe is generally guided by the supporting evidence. The fact that it has been reported, as per the first paragraph of that article, that at the very least the playing group were consulted confirms there were a lot of issues. This has never been something which I've contested.

I'll maintain my stance that, based on the article earlier about Boyd's "reflections", that there's some scope left for him to forge a decent career after now having potentially pulled his head in. But, his time with us, which is all that really matters on this board, will be remembered for all the wrong reasons.

And the Bulldogs want him and have him, and we dont and dont. You think it would be sunshine and rainbows, but they expect us to agree we miss him and that makes them disobedient mutts.

 

[Giant Heart]

And the Bulldogs want him and have him, and we dont and dont. You think it would be sunshine and rainbows, but they expect us to agree we miss him and that makes them disobedient mutts.

 

[Giant Heart]

LMFAO!!!

 

[Bokonon_]

I think we facinate over this guy too much. Not a great look.

It's a bigger issue than Boyd. The dogs fascinate over him and this the place for a little respite from the main board.

 

[Cmarsh]

Some talk that Hawthorn have resigned Rioli for too long (till 2020). Personally I don't think thats too long at all. Only 27 and he will see out his career at Hawthorn. Would be great in our forward line.

 

[Colonial]

Some talk that Hawthorn have resigned Rioli for too long (till 2020). Personally I don't think thats too long at all. Only 27 and he will see out his career at Hawthorn. Would be great in our forward line.

Nah just about right me thinks.
Will be his last contract.


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