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Yup - if Collingwood don’t want to play, then they should forfeit the 4 points.
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All for an easy 4 points to start the season.
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the team that gets more advantages than anyone else complains when they have to play a game a week earlier than everyone else.
Collingwood complaining about inequity is laughable.
Collingwood complaining about inequity is laughable.
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Anyone think North can knock off the Swans?
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Unfortunately no :-(
Btw a lot of 8 point games this weekend, so unsure which combination of results work best for us, but I think this is what we want?
- Hawthorn (8 wins) vs Fremantle (10.5 wins) = Hawthorn win
- Bulldogs (8 wins) vs Carlton (11 wins) = Bulldogs
- Adelaide vs St Kilda = doesn’t matter!
- Melbourne (9 wins) vs Essendon (10.5 wins) = probably Essendon as I think they will definitely make the 8 regardless of this match, and Melbourne are still in contention with us?
- Gold Coast (8 wins) vs Port (10 wins) = Gold Coast
- and hard to see it happening but West Coast beating Brisbane (9.5 wins)
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Reports that AFL umpires have not trained together for quite some time with inconsistency in umpiring being attributed to individual rather group training.
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‘Biggest crisis in the game’ amid revelation umps haven’t done skills training together in ‘years’
‘Biggest crisis in the game’: Shock reason behind AFL’s ump drama
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Clubs to urge overhaul of match review framework, Dillon doubles down
The AFLPA has commented on tribunal matters for the third time in its history, slamming the suspension of Toby Bedford and Charlie Cameron, saying the league is placing unreasonable expectations on players.
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AFL: Charlie Cameron and Toby Bedford in overturning their three game suspensions at the AFL Tribunal.
The powerful AFL Players’ Association has broken ranks by hitting out at the three-match suspensions to Charlie Cameron and Toby Bedford that were upheld by the tribunal on Tuesday night.
The union claimed players across the competition were now “genuinely confused as to what is and isn’t permissible in a tackle” as the football world angrily reacted to the sanctions imposed this week.
The AFLPA declared: “(Players) are seeing what they consider to be reasonable tackles penalised based on the outcome of the tackle, and don’t believe what is being asked of them is reasonable in the moment”.
Brisbane Lions (Cameron) and Greater Western Sydney (Bedford) have both decided to take the three-match suspensions to the AFL Appeals’ Board in a last-effort bid to free their players.
The AFLPA almost never comments on findings from the Match Review Officer or tribunal.
Back in 2014 they called for clarity over bumping rules after Melbourne’s Jack Viney collected Adelaide’s Tom Lynch.
While that was a technicality, this time the AFLPA has disagreed outright with multiple decisions handed down.
“The AFLPA and players strongly support the AFL’s efforts to protect the head, including through changes to the laws of the game and the MRO and Tribunal system, and support decisions in recent years to eliminate dangerous play that puts players at unnecessary risk,” the AFLPA’s general manager of player and stakeholder relations Brett Murphy said.
“However, we are at a pivotal point in the evolution of these rules.
“The two suspensions overnight raise important questions as to the role of tackling and what is realistically expected from players.
“Our members across the competition are genuinely confused as to what is and isn’t permissible in a tackle.
“They are seeing what they consider to be reasonable tackles penalised based on the outcome of the tackle, and don’t believe what is being asked of them is reasonable in the moment.
“This isn’t an easy issue to solve.
“Everyone in our game wants to protect the health and wellbeing of players and reducing contact to the head is critical to this. However, the question is, in an attempt to achieve this, are we getting the balance right?
“The AFLPA is seeking a wider discussion with the AFL, players and coaches on this.”
CLUBS TO CALL FOR OVERHAUL OF MATCH REVIEW FRAMEWORK
Clubs will call on the AFL to overhaul the match review framework to provide the league more flexibility to downgrade suspensions for dangerous tackles.
Key officials have become increasingly frustrated with the rigidity of the current system which doesn’t give the league the capacity to hand out lesser sanctions for football acts gone wrong.
In particular, clubs want lesser suspensions where there is no intent from the tackler to cause a head knock.
TRIBUNAL NEWS: Cameron, Bedford, Davies all fail to overturn bans
The Herald Sun understands the league will be called on to review the match review framework following its completion of the competitive balance project.
Chief executives are in Perth this week for meetings with league chief executive Andrew Dillon and football boss Laura Kane to discuss draft and trade changes, and on Wednesday Dillon doubled down on the tougher interpretation of dangerous tackles.
He said player safety was the first, second and third priorities when it comes to the league and its judiciary.
Scott Gullan: AFL has reached tribunal ‘tipping point’ after Toby Bedford, Charlie Cameron verdicts
As three week suspensions handed to GWS player Toby Bedford and Brisbane’s Charlie Cameron face challenges at the AFL Appeals tribunal, Dillon said he believed that AFL players were already adapting their behaviour in tackles, citing a clear reduction in the number of dangerous tackles in the AFL this season.
“What I will start with is that our tribunal system is based on prioritising the health and safety of our players. That is the number one, two and three priority for the system. Last year we had 35 dangerous tackles rated by the MRO and the tribunal. As we sit here two thirds of the way through the season, we have got – including the two that are going to be appealed this week only 11 tackles.”
He wouldn’t be drawn on the Cameron and Bedford cases because they were under appeal.
“I think the players have adapted. Sometimes you just have weekends like we have had,” he said.
The furore over lengthy dangerous tackle suspensions has blown-up following the three-match bans to GWS Giant Toby Bedford and Brisbane’s Charlie Cameron.
AFL: David Zita joins AFL 360 to discuss the Charlie Cameron Tribunal case in full detail.
Both players are challenging the tribunal verdicts at the Appeals Board on Thursday night amid widespread outrage from former players and the football community.
What clubs want is the capacity to downgrade the suspensions in instances where the tackler, like Bedford, accidentally causes the player in possession to hit his head.
In the Bedford case, match review officer Michael Christian had little option but to either dismiss the incident or give him three matches as Tigers’ midfielder Tim Taranto suffered concussion in the tackle, resulting in a severe impact grading.
Clubs want the AFL to introduce a function the match review framework to give Michael Christian the flexibility to lessen the suspensions when an accidental head knock occurs.
Previously, the league had the ability to do that when there was three conduct gradings including a negligent classification, but that was abolished and reduced to careless and intentional only.
The move was to help simplify and streamline the match review process, but the complexity around concussion causes could cause a rethink.
A downgrade function could allow the league to hand out lesser one and two-match suspensions where the impact is severe but the intent is not to cause a head injury.
Currently, the MRO has the capacity to upgrade and increase suspensions through the ‘potential to cause serious injury’ assessment, but not downgrade.
The downgrade lever is considered the potential next step to help address unease over the head knock suspensions.
The league is keen to protect players’ heads but the lengthy suspensions have fuelled criticism that the fabric of the game is being challenged.
AFL players around the country have questioned the Bedford and Cameron suspensions and admitted their confusion around current tackle rules.
Charlie Cameron tackle on Liam Duggan
Sydney Swans’ champion midfielder Jude Bolton, who suffered multiple concussions in his glittering career, said the game was at a crossroads, and questioned the current system.
“Can’t stand the way the things are going in the AFL with ridiculous 3 week sanctions for both Toby Bedford (on Taranto) and Charlie Cameron (on Duggan),” Bolton said.
“Both received a grading of careless, severe and high (contact) from the MRO, which is just not right.
“We are suspending players for being physical around the contest.
“The MRO has the lever of the potential to cause serious injury.
“This should be used when players get it wrong, or an incident is deemed excessive / terrible (such as Jimmy Webster’s bump on Jy Simpkin).
“Choose then to throw the book at them and make a statement.”
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This sounds like a pretty shit trip. What an utter shitfight!
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The Fremantle Dockers have suffered a horror flight where passengers were allegedly compelled to urinate in basins while staff were forced to manually scoop toilet waste into basins.
The AFL team was reportedly on a chartered National Jet Express flight from Launceston to Perth following their loss to Hawthorn on Saturday night when the plane ran out of water after just half an hour.
The Transport Workers Union – representing the cabin crew – has expressed deep concern over the ordeal, claiming staff and passengers were opened up to an unsanitary and unsafe environment as the toilets were left non-functional.
‘Utterly unacceptable: Freo’s horror flight as ghastly details revealed
‘Utterly unacceptable: Freo’s horror flight as ghastly details revealed
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The Fremantle Dockers have suffered a horror flight where passengers were allegedly compelled to urinate in basins while staff were forced to manually scoop toilet waste into basins.
The AFL team was reportedly on a chartered National Jet Express flight from Launceston to Perth following their loss to Hawthorn on Saturday night when the plane ran out of water after just half an hour.
The Transport Workers Union – representing the cabin crew – has expressed deep concern over the ordeal, claiming staff and passengers were opened up to an unsanitary and unsafe environment as the toilets were left non-functional.
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Jokes aside.This sounds like a pretty shit trip. What an utter shitfight!
‘Utterly unacceptable: Freo’s horror flight as ghastly details revealed
‘Utterly unacceptable: Freo’s horror flight as ghastly details revealed
The Fremantle Dockers have suffered a horror flight where passengers were allegedly compelled to urinate in basins while staff were forced to manually scoop toilet waste into basins.
The AFL team was reportedly on a chartered National Jet Express flight from Launceston to Perth following their loss to Hawthorn on Saturday night when the plane ran out of water after just half an hour.
The Transport Workers Union – representing the cabin crew – has expressed deep concern over the ordeal, claiming staff and passengers were opened up to an unsanitary and unsafe environment as the toilets were left non-functional.
That is just unacceptable
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BAU at the VFL.
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While I am thankful that Snooze got off that ridiculous 3-week penalty, the whole process remains ****ed.
The let-off was based on a technicality - that the Tribunal didn't mention the likelihood of the tackle to cause injury in its reasons for conviction - rather than an assessment of whether Snooze's (textbook) tackle actually had a significant likelihood to cause injury.
So, the system has descended into a discussion about legalese bullshit rather than focussing on what's important - the actual actions of the player.
And the morons at VFL House get to keep spouting their utter rubbish about the game being in a "good place".
The let-off was based on a technicality - that the Tribunal didn't mention the likelihood of the tackle to cause injury in its reasons for conviction - rather than an assessment of whether Snooze's (textbook) tackle actually had a significant likelihood to cause injury.
So, the system has descended into a discussion about legalese bullshit rather than focussing on what's important - the actual actions of the player.
And the morons at VFL House get to keep spouting their utter rubbish about the game being in a "good place".
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Starting tonight, we should be barracking hard for any team in the bottom 5.
If these bottom 5 teams can get some wins over the other teams in final contention it could make a massive difference for us.
Go the Crows!
If these bottom 5 teams can get some wins over the other teams in final contention it could make a massive difference for us.
Go the Crows!
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If we’re a fair dinkum team we should only drop one game for the rest of the home and away season.
Either against Dogs or Lions.
We shouldn’t give a flying rats tossbag about other results with our run home
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Even if we win 5 out of 6 games, we could still miss the top 4 depending on other results. So I'd prefer to hope for the ones that will help us.
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All we have to do is finish 4th and all our finals are in Sydney. (Bar the Granny, cause, well, Vic Bias)
Yeah. Given that the ladder is made up of wins, losses and draws + % so unless we're at the very top of the ladder, other teams losses shouldn't be discounted, IMO, as that will determine where we land even if we do win x amount of games.
Not saying we should rely on other teams losing but could come in handy at the end of the H&A season
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Absolutely moronic answers. The game is ****ed with the current administration.
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Basically, Kane was unwilling to admit that the penalty was purely based on TT being concussed.
Here's more magician's spin/distraction, from Michael Christian.
Here's more magician's spin/distraction, from Michael Christian.
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Thank you Crows. Happy to take the help.
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Very handy for us
They'll have to beat some other good teams to make it now.
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It will be interesting what happens with the Ben Keays tackle on Jye Caldwell. Jye had an arm free, and was still concussed (which demonstrates that releasing an arm isn't the holy grail of protecting a player), so did Keays meet his duty of care or not? Let's see what the MRO does.
