Non-Lions discussion 2021

[BangyBangy]

With great trepidation I posted the following on the pied board. I really do think our inclusive culture is our foundation for success

Nothing wrong at all with what you've posted.

But still, enjoy the week off

 

[MSB ROYS]

Just spoke to a previously passionate Collingwood supporter who is very disillusioned with the trade period and racism fiascos. Says he is not sure whether he would go this year

 

[Gadzorks]

Just spoke to a previously passionate Collingwood supporter who is very disillusioned with the trade period and racism fiascos. Says he is not sure whether he would go this year

That’s understandable but really sad. Our crap years were tough but I don’t remember them being at this level of dysfunction.

 

[notting18]

Regardless of what you think of Eddie, the one skillset he was supposed to have was media savvy. That trainwreck of a press conference which merely proved the findings of the report regarding Collingwood being focused entirely on "spin" was jaw-droppingly bad in the regard.

 

[dlanod]

That’s understandable but really sad. Our crap years were tough but I don’t remember them being at this level of dysfunction.

Our's were bad, but they were football bad.

Not "force out a top five player" or "systemic racism" bad, let alone both of them.

 

[Dylan12]

Regardless of what you think of Eddie, the one skillset he was supposed to have was media savvy. That trainwreck of a press conference which merely proved the findings of the report regarding Collingwood being focused entirely on "spin" was jaw-droppingly bad in the regard.

For a club surrounded by such astute people, it beggars belief how they've handled such big issues such as this, their fire sale etc. and tried spinning it as if it is going to make them look better; only to end up looking like bigger mugs.

Probably comes back to the 'fish rotting at the head'. And as much as Eddie had done for Collingwood, he really should've departed a good five odd years ago but I dare say, that may astute people at the club still were bedazzled by Eddie's spin and afraid to stand up against him and his cronies.

 

[POBT]

Regardless of what you think of Eddie, the one skillset he was supposed to have was media savvy. That trainwreck of a press conference which merely proved the findings of the report regarding Collingwood being focused entirely on "spin" was jaw-droppingly bad in the regard.

I listened to their CEO this morning who did a much better job of explaining the report and the Collingwood response. But when asked "do you apologise to the people affected", he kinda said "of course we're sorry but this was a report into systems rather than individual cases." He deliberately (and twice) took the conversation away from the harmed individuals. I mean, what point is there accepting that you have a problem with racism if you can't accept that people have been hurt as a result? It is like a builder saying "sorry the house fell down because of my shoddy workmanship but don't ask me about the owners who are now homeless."

How hard is it to say "Yes, we are sorry. We understand the truly awful impact racism has and we accept that we failed to protect people from it." Then it is done and you can start a different narrative.

If, as I suspect, they aren't apologising because of a pending legal matter, then that is bullshit. Part of accepting failings in the past is also paying the price for those failings. If you are using weasel words so as to avoid legal repercussions, then you aren't really that sorry.

 

[POBT]

For a club surrounded by such astute people, it beggars belief how they've handled such big issues such as this, their fire sale etc. and tried spinning it as if it is going to make them look better; only to end up looking like bigger mugs.

Probably comes back to the 'fish rotting at the head'. And as much as Eddie had done for Collingwood, he really should've departed a good five odd years ago

About 7 years actually. In May 2013, he made a public ape joke when referring to a black man. In any other organisation, in any other industry, that's going to be a sackable offence.

 

[irel]

If, as I suspect, they aren't apologising because of a pending legal matter, then that is bullshit. Part of accepting failings in the past is also paying the price for those failings. If you are using weasel words so as to avoid legal repercussions, then you aren't really that sorry.

Yeap, potentially opens them up for class litigation from most if not all affected individuals working in their organisation.

 

[Gibbo_88]

surely the pressure comes now for Eddie to step aside before the season starts? Footy is a long way away to distract the public from the disaster of a press conference yesterday. What a mess.

 

[knaf]

sorry for the cut POBT. I agree with everything you said except for the small edit below

“If, as I suspect, they aren't apologising because of a pending legal matter, then that is bullshit. Part of accepting failings in the past is also paying the price for those failings. If you are using weasel words so as to avoid legal repercussions, then you aren't really that sorry.”

 

[davemc_lions]

From HS
Lumumba had been consistent in his desire for an “acknowledgment of wrongdoing and an apology” from Collingwood, as well as “compensation for the damage done”.

So if they say sorry I assume they have to pay.
Pretty sad and all the spin not helping.
Eddie done a lot for the club. Every problem they spin spin spin.. If this was another club he double down on them from the media etc.
Time to move on and let them start fresh not been a great post season for them with many things

 

[Dylan12]

From HS
Lumumba had been consistent in his desire for an “acknowledgment of wrongdoing and an apology” from Collingwood, as well as “compensation for the damage done”.

So if they say sorry I assume they have to pay.
Pretty sad and all the spin not helping.
Eddie done a lot for the club. Every problem they spin spin spin.. If this was another club he double down on them from the media etc.
Time to move on and let them start fresh not been a great post season for them with many things

Th only I issue I have with these sort of things is that "money" will fix things, hence the demand for compensation as if that is the panacea. That is if Harry is only demanding that.

 

[Dalions]

Lumumba is certainly not holding back.

 

[Gadzorks]

I listened to their CEO this morning who did a much better job of explaining the report and the Collingwood response. But when asked "do you apologise to the people affected", he kinda said "of course we're sorry but this was a report into systems rather than individual cases." He deliberately (and twice) took the conversation away from the harmed individuals. I mean, what point is there accepting that you have a problem with racism if you can't accept that people have been hurt as a result? It is like a builder saying "sorry the house fell down because of my shoddy workmanship but don't ask me about the owners who are now homeless."

How hard is it to say "Yes, we are sorry. We understand the truly awful impact racism has and we accept that we failed to protect people from it." Then it is done and you can start a different narrative.

If, as I suspect, they aren't apologising because of a pending legal matter, then that is bullshit. Part of accepting failings in the past is also paying the price for those failings. If you are using weasel words so as to avoid legal repercussions, then you aren't really that sorry.

The pending court case Lumumba might have something to do with it.

 

[Gadzorks]

Th only I issue I have with these sort of things is that "money" will fix things, hence the demand for compensation as if that is the panacea. That is if Harry is only demanding that.

He apparently paid for his own coach, massage and physiologist during his playing days to help him as he felt marginalised and didn’t believe the club was providing sufficiently for him to reach his full potential. That’s clear out of pocket.

 

[Dylan12]

He apparently paid for his own coach, massage and physiologist during his playing days to help him as he felt marginalised and didn’t believe the club was providing sufficiently for him to reach his full potential. That’s clear out of pocket.

I hadn't realised that, which is pretty extreme given the resources of Collingwood, so that's pretty damning of the club if he had to resort to that.

 

[davemc_lions]

Been years of this going on and spin. So at least it moving now

 

[BuntonRules]

The Republican Party has Donald Trump. Collingwood has Eddie McGuire.

 

[davemc_lions]

The Republican Party has Donald Trump. Collingwood has Eddie McGuire.

Wonder how long before Eddie McGuire Labour leader becomes reality.
I assume Dan and him get along great both Spin Doctors

 

[Gadzorks]

Ben Brown

50

Ben Brown

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.7

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.2

3star

G

2.2

5star

D

7.9

2star

K

6.3

3star

HB

1.6

1star

M

3.7

4star

T

0.9

2star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.4

4star

G

1.2

4star

going to see a surgeon for his troublesome knee.

Not have to say anything more cause of jinxes and all.

Edit I clearly have to much time on my hands ATM. Reading too much on the net

 

[martinson]

I too found the fairly aggressive approach taken by McGuire at the Press Conference bizarre in light of the contents of the report . And the smiling lady who is head of their reconciliation process I presume pretending they were having a fun day at Disneyland , like Eddie thanking everyone from the boot studder up for their 'contribution'.

I know people tend to go to town on figures like Eddie and Collingwood calling them for everything under the sun and I'm not one of those people because running an AFL club can have its challenging times but this PC was downright embarrassing. It begs the question how smart is Eddie. He had an amazingly short tenure as Channel 9 boss once they realised he had no idea what he was doing corporately . His clumsy attempt to paint Collingwood as reacting amazingly positively to whatever occurred sounded gratuitous and condescending.

And he didn't say sorry.

 

[X AE A12]

I too found the fairly aggressive approach taken by McGuire at the Press Conference bizarre in light of the contents of the report . And the smiling lady who is head of their reconciliation process I presume pretending they were having a fun day at Disneyland , like Eddie thanking everyone from the boot studder up for their 'contribution'.

I know people tend to go to town on figures like Eddie and Collingwood calling them for everything under the sun and I'm not one of those people because running an AFL club can have its challenging times but this PC was downright embarrassing. It begs the question how smart is Eddie. He had an amazingly short tenure as Channel 9 boss once they realised he had no idea what he was doing corporately . His clumsy attempt to paint Collingwood as reacting amazingly positively to whatever occurred sounded gratuitous and condescending.

And he didn't say sorry.

You don't need a report and an outside consultant to say sorry. You do it to avoid penalties by showing you're trying to get better, you've got a plan. Until the people responsible aren't there anymore and the club people are the ones saying they're proud no-one will believe them. Just doing a merry dance and getting paid

 

[Brett C]

From HS
Lumumba had been consistent in his desire for an “acknowledgment of wrongdoing and an apology” from Collingwood, as well as “compensation for the damage done”.

So if they say sorry I assume they have to pay.
Pretty sad and all the spin not helping.
Eddie done a lot for the club. Every problem they spin spin spin.. If this was another club he double down on them from the media etc.
Time to move on and let them start fresh not been a great post season for them with many things

From what I understand Harry refused to be interviewed for the review so I’m not sure if he wants to make a career out of being outraged vs playing a part in effecting change.

 

[Brett C]

He apparently paid for his own coach, massage and physiologist during his playing days to help him as he felt marginalised and didn’t believe the club was providing sufficiently for him to reach his full potential. That’s clear out of pocket.

He chose to pay for those himself according to this article from ABC news which you can be sure would have been to include the marginalised part.

Héritier Lumumba stands up to racism in the AFL, finding strength in African history

Héritier Lumumba's stand for equality forced a review of racism at Collingwood. Now the former AFL star embraces the strength of his African identity and culture.

www.google.com.au

He also freed himself from distractions, investing financially and philosophically in his training and recovery, significantly improving his performance. At his own expense, he hired a full-time assistant, a massage therapist, a chef to create a specially formulated diet and, later, a personal coach who specialised in conflict resolution. As in five of the previous six years, his peers elected him to Collingwood's 2013 leadership group.