North Melbourne 2km Time Trial

Wells Now Williams Fan · Dec 17, 2012

aggotwang said:
Harper would have finished 5th I would say. Started very strong and finished strong.
Atley top 10..
Couldn't see Wells out there.

Must have had a very poor 800m to 1200m .....

TennisPlayerAndy · Dec 17, 2012

Jack will never be an endurance runner. His job is to win the footy in close and feed it out to guys who can run all day.

TennisPlayerAndy · Dec 17, 2012

speedy said:
Didn't Jobe's career take off after he shed some kilo's and imporved his endurance? You still have to get to a contest before you can win the ball.

Jobe weighs 94kg's.

Mustn't have dropped too many kilos.

the big lebowski · Dec 17, 2012

TennisPlayerAndy said:
Jack will never be an endurance runner. His job is to win the footy in close and feed it out to guys who can run all day.

But he has a much better kick than Cunners or Swallow - whilst im not suggesting he turn into an outside player, i think he is more valuable getting into goal scoring positions or kicking it inside 50. And building up his fitness will allow him to do this more than he does at present.

TennisPlayerAndy · Dec 17, 2012

the big lebowski said:
But he has a much better kick than Cunners or Swallow - whilst im not suggesting he turn into an outside player, i think he is more valuable getting into goal scoring positions or kicking it inside 50. And building up his fitness will allow him to do this more than he does at present.

IMO his value to the side is taking on the bigger bodies in the middle.

I do agree about his kicking.

Shagga is all Class · Dec 17, 2012

speedy said:
He's a midfielder, he has to run. He will never be a top-shelf mid if his endurance is sub-par.

As of last week he was actually looking very trim.

Suspect he will only get to 80% game time if North use him like Luke Hodge.

Bigeasy · Dec 17, 2012

Maybe Jack is being groomed as a HFF with bursts on the ball when we need it?

That some heavy lifting for a pure Mid.

roos_fanatic08 · Dec 17, 2012

TennisPlayerAndy said:
Jack will never be an endurance runner. His job is to win the footy in close and feed it out to guys who can run all day.

Jack will be an endurance runner...He just won't be ridiculously quick. His and Cunnington's endurance has improved out of sight in the past 2 years.

A 2km run is not a good indication of true endurance which is required to play midfield at AFL level. Building a tank is all about hard work. This is only Ziebell's and Cunner's 2nd full pre-season. We will see the fruits of their labour after another 1-2 in my opinion.

roos_fanatic08 · Dec 17, 2012

Pure inside mids: Greenwood, Swallow, Cunnington

I'd be happy to let Ziebell play an outside role where he can utilise his kicking and finishing skills. Let him float between half forward and half back. I'd put him on a wing and just tell him to get involved as much as possible.

TennisPlayerAndy · Dec 17, 2012

roos_fanatic08 said:
Jack will be an endurance runner...He just won't be ridiculously quick. His and Cunnington's endurance has improved out of sight in the past 2 years.

A 2km run is not a good indication of true endurance which is required to play midfield at AFL level. Building a tank is all about hard work. This is only Ziebell's and Cunner's 2nd full pre-season. We will see the fruits of their labour after another 1-2 in my opinion.

I am talking more Sam Gibson style.

He is an animal when it comes to running.

Arden · Dec 17, 2012

aggotwang said:
Was tough to spot most of them out there.

Weren't they wearing numbers? :stern look

roos_fanatic08 · Dec 17, 2012

TennisPlayerAndy said:
I am talking more Sam Gibson style.

He is an animal when it comes to running.

Agree. In all likelihood will never get to that level. Greenwood and Bastinac will however.

speedy · Dec 17, 2012

There are no inside and outside mids anymore. Your 2 wingers, center, ruck-rover and rover have all got to be able win their own ball, spread and receive and/or carry the ball. The h/backs and h/forwards are really your outside players these days.

TennisPlayerAndy · Dec 17, 2012

roos_fanatic08 said:
Agree. In all likelihood will never get to that level. Greenwood and Bastinac will however.

I see him behind Swallow, Wells, Ziebell, Cunnington, Adams, Bastinac, Anthony and Gibson for a spot in the middle.

Twinkletoes · Dec 17, 2012

Really appreciate the reports aggotwang :thumbsu:

The boys would be knackered after a big pre-christmas training schedule.

LT Smash · Dec 17, 2012

speedy said:
He's a midfielder, he has to run. He will never be a top-shelf mid if his endurance is sub-par.

That young Brent Harvey has never set a decent time trial in all the time he's been with the club. Get. Rid. Of.

speedy · Dec 17, 2012

LT Smash said:
That young Brent Harvey has never set a decent time trial in all the time he's been with the club. Get. Rid. Of.

I've seen Boomer out run just about everyone in the AFL in final quaters with repeat sprint efforts. Somehow I don't think his endurance isnt too bad.

andana · Dec 17, 2012

scooby1279 said:
not good for Cunnigton... Has he improved his time trials since being at the club?

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Needs one of these from Santa

Shagga is all Class · Dec 17, 2012

speedy said:
I've seen Boomer out run just about everyone in the AFL in final quaters with repeat sprint efforts. Somehow I don't think his endurance isnt too bad.

Boomer is a freak and is pound for pound the strongest at the club ~ 1.7 times body weight. Benching 130kg.

Event Horizon · Dec 17, 2012

speedy said:
I've seen Boomer out run just about everyone in the AFL in final quaters with repeat sprint efforts. Somehow I don't think his endurance isnt too bad.

I am not sure 2km time trial would be a great indicator about your ability to run out a final quarter.

GarnerSmash · Dec 17, 2012

Event Horizon said:
I am not sure 2km time trial would be a great indicator about your ability to run out a final quarter.

What if you have to run for 2km continuously in the final quarter? At the same pace? And in a straight line?

TennisPlayerAndy · Dec 17, 2012

B Tron said:
What if you have to run for 2km continuously in the final quarter? At the same pace? And in a straight line?

You'd be a be an idiot.

Shagga is all Class · Dec 17, 2012

B Tron said:
What if you have to run for 2km continuously in the final quarter? At the same pace? And in a straight line?

Only Hansen might try to do that.

GarnerSmash · Dec 17, 2012

TennisPlayerAndy said:
You'd be a be an idiot.

Shagga is all Class said:
Only Hansen might try to do that.

Now, now.

Leave Lougee Henson alone.

billnats · Dec 17, 2012

B Tron said:
What if you have to run for 2km continuously in the final quarter? At the same pace? And in a straight line?

Raise a fantastic point... people confuse aerobic endurance with anaerobic endurance. The likes of Harvey, Harper etc have the ability to make constant sprint after sprint... a 2km time trial is a good base but I would prefer someone who has a fantastic lactate threshold and can complete several 20-30m sprints at a constant high speed. I think that's what Cunnington/Ziebell need to work on with their size in particular, as this will give them a chance to explode from contests and become the ball winners we need.

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